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The fact that anyone drinks Gatorade is laughable unless you are an athlete. Gatorade has a brilliant marketing campaign. It's convinced people that a product which they have absolutely no need for actually helps them.
 
BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap said:
I'd like to see a link to these studies. In everything I've read lately (not from 50 years ago), there is absolutely no benefit to adding refined sugar, high fructose corn syrup, or fructose minus the fiber (juice) to a diet.
It's not the fat that's making the world fat and diabetic. It's the sugar. Remember the low-fat craze? How did that work out? We got fatter and unhealthier because fat was substituted for sugar.

This lecture is based on scientific studies. It's long, but will hopefully clear some things up for you and other.

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So you cite the low fat craze but then suggest going to equal extremes in basically cutting out all sugar, even if it's in otherwise nutritious food? Give it a decade or two and Americans will be fatter and less healthy and blaming their no-sugar diets. Already plenty of problems with the related low-carb diet craze that followed the low-fat craze.

Common sense: cut out foods with no nutritional value, replace with healthier foods and not eating/drinking so damn much, and exercise. Or get caught up in the latest scare tactic some guy used to create a bestselling book and/or a bunch of overpriced diet food and drink. Worried about sugar: WATER DOWN your drink (a point you still ignore) or drink it with meals - it turns out fruit fiber isn't the only thing that you can eat to slow down sugar processing.

I've never heard anyone credible suggest that you shouldn't drink any fruit juice. Most suggest drinking pure fruit juice (without added sugar), drinking a cup or two a day, etc. If you're really that worried about sugar, you drink water or unsweetened tea, not coconut water.

Here ya go, have at it:

http://advances.nutrition.org/content/6/2/236S.full

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/drinks-to-consume-in-moderation/

A pretty balanced look at both sides of the argument that mentions the idea of blending fruit into your drink to preserve the fiber: http://www.foodandnutrition.org/May-June-2015/Is-Fruit-Juice-Just-Another-Sugary-Drink/

http://www.medicaldaily.com/fruit-j...healthy-juices-you-can-feel-good-about-306648

http://www.eatright.org/resource/homefoodsafety/safety-tips/food/the-juicing-trend-about-raw-juice

And pretty much every article with the alarming "fruit juice as bad as cyanide-laced cigarettes?"-type headline has moderation advice that reads exactly like what I said.

I did enough work - you can go call those physicians, pediatricians and nutritionists on your own.
 
FanuSanu52 said:
So you cite the low fat craze but then suggest going to equal extremes in basically cutting out all sugar, even if it's in otherwise nutritious food? Give it a decade or two and Americans will be fatter and less healthy and blaming their no-sugar diets. Already plenty of problems with the related low-carb diet craze that followed the low-fat craze.

Common sense: cut out foods with no nutritional value, replace with healthier foods and not eating/drinking so damn much, and exercise. Or get caught up in the latest scare tactic some guy used to create a bestselling book and/or a bunch of overpriced diet food and drink. Worried about sugar: WATER DOWN your drink (a point you still ignore) or drink it with meals - it turns out fruit fiber isn't the only thing that you can eat to slow down sugar processing.

I've never heard anyone credible suggest that you shouldn't drink any fruit juice. Most suggest drinking pure fruit juice (without added sugar), drinking a cup or two a day, etc. If you're really that worried about sugar, you drink water or unsweetened tea, not coconut water.

Here ya go, have at it:

http://advances.nutrition.org/content/6/2/236S.full

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/drinks-to-consume-in-moderation/

A pretty balanced look at both sides of the argument that mentions the idea of blending fruit into your drink to preserve the fiber: http://www.foodandnutrition.org/May-June-2015/Is-Fruit-Juice-Just-Another-Sugary-Drink/

http://www.medicaldaily.com/fruit-j...healthy-juices-you-can-feel-good-about-306648

http://www.eatright.org/resource/homefoodsafety/safety-tips/food/the-juicing-trend-about-raw-juice

And pretty much every article with the alarming "fruit juice as bad as cyanide-laced cigarettes?"-type headline has moderation advice that reads exactly like what I said.

I did enough work - you can go call those physicians, pediatricians and nutritionists on your own.
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but you were talking about Gatorade and watering that down...not juice. gatorade has very little else other than sugar and salt, which can be ingested via much more natural and unprocessed sources.
 
RUevolution36 said:
but you were talking about Gatorade and watering that down...not juice. gatorade has very little else other than sugar and salt, which can be ingested via much more natural and unprocessed sources.
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We were talking about both. The original quote I responded to encompassed Gatorade and juice.

I don't think Gatorade is particularly healthy; I think it's a cheaper way of getting electrolytes when you need them. You don't have to be a pro athlete or ultramarathon runner to find yourself in such situations. I also think the claims about coconut water being so superior are largely bunk designed to sell coconut water for four+ times the price.
 
bitnez said:
The fact that anyone drinks Gatorade is laughable unless you are an athlete. Gatorade has a brilliant marketing campaign. It's convinced people that a product which they have absolutely no need for actually helps them.
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When one speaks or writes in absolutes he can look pretty foolish. There are plenty of non-athletes who can benefit from sports drinks.
 
Phi_1055 said:
When one speaks or writes in absolutes he can look pretty foolish. There are plenty of non-athletes who can benefit from sports drinks.
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Bolded for complete truth. That's the only reason I get into arguments like this one :D

I first drank Gatorade as a kid, not because I wanted to be 'like Mike,' but because my pediatrician said to drink it when I was firing out both ends. I guess he was just overwhelmed by the hype, too.
 
Phi_1055 said:
When one speaks or writes in absolutes he can look pretty foolish. There are plenty of non-athletes who can benefit from sports drinks.
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Like who? There's a reason they are called sports drinks. Show me one study that says drinking Gatorade is good for you.
 
FanuSanu52 said:
Bolded for complete truth. That's the only reason I get into arguments like this one :D

I first drank Gatorade as a kid, not because I wanted to be 'like Mike,' but because my pediatrician said to drink it when I was firing out both ends. I guess he was just overwhelmed by the hype, too.
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Not surprised. Most pediatrician are lazy. It's easy to tell mom or dad to buy Gatorade.
 
I don't care if you trust me. When my doctor tells me something I research it to make sure I'm getting good advice. For instance, is Drinking Gatorade really necessary. It's a scary proposition to put trust in anyone other than yourself when it comes to your health.
 
bitnez said:
I don't care if you trust me. When my doctor tells me something I research it to make sure I'm getting good advice. For instance, is Drinking Gatorade really necessary. It's a scary proposition to put trust in anyone other than yourself when it comes to your health.
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I think I might have to retract my original comment. His first post made him appear to be wiser, not more foolish, than he really is.
 
bitnez said:
The fact that anyone drinks Gatorade is laughable unless you are an athlete. Gatorade has a brilliant marketing campaign. It's convinced people that a product which they have absolutely no need for actually helps them.
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This. I saw a fatty buying two 32oz Gatorade. I wanted to say to him "you realize that's like 600 calories?"
 
bac2therac said:
another scam is Keuring coffee makers....all that money on the maker and then the overpriced k cups they get people to buy, why are people duped like that
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And they don't even taste good !! Shoprite has their brand "on sale" 12 for $6. That's 50 cent each for a lousy 6 oz cup of coffee. I got one as a gift and use it on rare occasion when I'm too lazy to brew a pot
 
BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap said:
Since you're calling organic agriculture a "sham", I would assume you've done your research. What's the sham? Sustainable agriculture? Maintaining the soil food web? Elimination of chemical pesticides/herbicides? Decreased need for irrigation? Decreased run-off of chemicals and erosion of topsoil? Please share your wisdom.
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Go and spend an extra dollar on a 15oz can of "organic" stewed tomatoes if it floats your boat. The food industry loves suckers like you.
 
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DontTedonMe said:
Go and spend an extra dollar on a 15oz can of "organic" stewed tomatoes if it floats your boat. The food industry loves suckers like you.
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Is there a button we can press to send you back to where you came from?
 
DontTedonMe said:
And they don't even taste good !! Shoprite has their brand "on sale" 12 for $6. That's 50 cent each for a lousy 6 oz cup of coffee. I got one as a gift and use it on rare occasion when I'm too lazy to brew a pot
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i buy beans from La Colombe roasters for approximately 50 cents per double shot of espresso brewed. ten million times better than that k-cup garbage. i don't understand how people can tolerate that dishwater.
 
DontTedonMe said:
Go and spend an extra dollar on a 15oz can of "organic" stewed tomatoes if it floats your boat. The food industry loves suckers like you.
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Spoken like a true meat head ignoramus. Still waiting to hear from you about why organic agriculture is a sham. Please share your wealth of knowledge. Start with this. It should be a softball for you: Why do you consider it unimportant to maintain the soil food web for long term food production? Can't wait professor
 
RU4Real said:
Horseshit. Please tell the class how many times you wheel into a gas station, pop into the men's room and refill your travel cup from the sink.
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One of your weaker efforts. First, I've already said I understand the water on the go angle for many in my original post, and second, what I said (which you quoted) was, "at work, you can grab water from a tap somewhere or a drinking fountain," meaning "at work," i.e., I never said anything about a slimy tap in a gas station.

And third, no, I don't ever refill water bottles from the men's room sink, because I don't need to. If it's a short trip, I don't bring water or any other beverages, as I simply don't need it. If it's a long trip, I'll often bring a bottle of tap water, but I tend to not drink it that often, since I like drinking Coke for some reason on long trips (I rarely drink soda/caffeine, but will splurge on a long trip) and a couple of Cokes is plenty for a 10-hour drive, with one usually from a food stop and the other usually from a gas stop.

And finally, you picked on a tiny part of what I posted about for some reason, when you could've just agreed with the general premise that for the most part bottled water is an expensive, unnecessary, incredibly wasteful (environmentally) product, since I know you know I'm right, cause you're a smart guy.
 
FanuSanu52 said:
So you cite the low fat craze but then suggest going to equal extremes in basically cutting out all sugar, even if it's in otherwise nutritious food? Give it a decade or two and Americans will be fatter and less healthy and blaming their no-sugar diets. Already plenty of problems with the related low-carb diet craze that followed the low-fat craze.

Common sense: cut out foods with no nutritional value, replace with healthier foods and not eating/drinking so damn much, and exercise. Or get caught up in the latest scare tactic some guy used to create a bestselling book and/or a bunch of overpriced diet food and drink. Worried about sugar: WATER DOWN your drink (a point you still ignore) or drink it with meals - it turns out fruit fiber isn't the only thing that you can eat to slow down sugar processing.

I've never heard anyone credible suggest that you shouldn't drink any fruit juice. Most suggest drinking pure fruit juice (without added sugar), drinking a cup or two a day, etc. If you're really that worried about sugar, you drink water or unsweetened tea, not coconut water.

Here ya go, have at it:

http://advances.nutrition.org/content/6/2/236S.full

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/drinks-to-consume-in-moderation/

A pretty balanced look at both sides of the argument that mentions the idea of blending fruit into your drink to preserve the fiber: http://www.foodandnutrition.org/May-June-2015/Is-Fruit-Juice-Just-Another-Sugary-Drink/

http://www.medicaldaily.com/fruit-j...healthy-juices-you-can-feel-good-about-306648

http://www.eatright.org/resource/homefoodsafety/safety-tips/food/the-juicing-trend-about-raw-juice

And pretty much every article with the alarming "fruit juice as bad as cyanide-laced cigarettes?"-type headline has moderation advice that reads exactly like what I said.

I did enough work - you can go call those physicians, pediatricians and nutritionists on your own.
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I never suggested cutting out all sugar. What i do stand by is avoiding the concentrated ingestion of simple sugars found in fruit juice. Pomegranate juice, one of your "healthier" choices contains 32 g of sugar in an 8 oz cup. That's soda. Unless we are in a survival situation, our bodies do not need food like that. The biochemical evidence supports my arguement. Yes, I know you said water it down. Great, you're doing little/less/no harm. I'd simply rather feed my kids whole fruit, and have them avoid a lifetime sugar addiction.
 
It occurred to me that workplaces use bottled water, too - the ubiquitous water cooler. So how does that play into your said premise?

You're using the logic of a dough-eyed millennial poster here. "I fill up at work, and/or drink Coke, and/or under-hydrate, so nobody else needs bottled water." Besides the fact that you've conceded the "on the go" point, kind of a large chunk of humanity's time, you should also recognize that not everyone's workplace is yours, and/or not everyone wants to drink Coke, and/or not everyone under-hydrates.

That's a lot of "buts" ... because you're overselling the point.
 
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BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap said:
I never suggested cutting out all sugar. What i do stand by is avoiding the concentrated ingestion of simple sugars found in fruit juice. Pomegranate juice, one of your "healthier" choices contains 32 g of sugar in an 8 oz cup. That's soda. Unless we are in a survival situation, our bodies do not need food like that. The biochemical evidence supports my arguement. Yes, I know you said water it down. Great, you're doing little/less/no harm. I'd simply rather feed my kids whole fruit, and have them avoid a lifetime sugar addiction.
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That makes even less sense ... sugar's okay, but not in something with actual nutritional value. You can avoid concentrated ingestion of simple sugars found in fruit juice in the multiple other ways I already listed. Or cower from the fruit juice aisle in fear; it's the same to me.

- BUT -

I just dropped a laundry list of reputable sources, from the government to Harvard, that say that fruit juice, in moderation, is good for you.

After joking about my info being outdated, all you've provided is a 90-minute video that you knew no one was going to watch. It's from seven years ago, which can also be interpreted as ... several years before pretty much everything I linked. It's hosted by a guy that has multiple anti-sugar "latest health craze" books to hawk. HEY! There's even a link to his book in the YouTube description - how convenient! That description doesn't even support your extreme view: "He argues that fructose (too much) and fiber (not enough) appear to be cornerstones of the obesity epidemic through their effects on insulin.

You can do what you want in your own life, but you officially lost this argument.
 
RUJohnny said:
Numbers could you please cite a specific percentage of people drinking bottled water at home, and perhaps refer me to the study.
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I don't have current numbers - I just recall reading that about half of water consumed at home is bottled water (what I meant when I said a large percentage - I wasn't being very precise, sorry). I was able to find the article linked below which says that in 2008, 33% of plain water (bottled or tap) consumed at home was bottled water. Given the major increases in bottled water consumption over the past 10 years, it would stand to reason that this percentage is likely now in the 40-50% range. This article also says that 50% of water consumed away from home is tap and 50% is bottled and that consumption of plain water at home is 70% of all water consumption, with 30% of water consumption away from home.

https://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/80400530/pdf/DBrief/7_water_intakes_0508.pdf

Even if one doesn't give a crap about the environment (17 million barrels of oil needed for the 50 billion water bottles, not including fuel for transportation and refrigeration, just in the US, of which 77% of the bottles end up in landfills), given how many people complain about money around here and elsewhere, it astonishes me that people would willingly spend $1400 per year on bottled water vs. $0.50 per year on tap water (if one exclusively used bottled water at the recommended eight glasses of water a day). Sure, maybe those numbers are on the high end for many, but even if it was half that, $700 a year wasted seems like a lot to me.
 
RU4Real said:
Well, it's not like I spent any time on it.

And sorry, I didn't read the rest of whatever it was you wrote.
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Just pretend I'm your wife (even if that visual scars you for life) and say, "yes dear, you're probably right." That was some sage advice I got right before my wedding...
 
RU848789 said:
Just pretend I'm your wife (even if that visual scars you for life) and say, "yes dear, you're probably right." That was some sage advice I got right before my wedding...
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Speaking of wives, how did you and the little lady like the Cuban restaurant? I couldnt make it, obviously.
 
mildone said:
Speaking of wives, how did you and the little lady like the Cuban restaurant? I couldnt make it, obviously.
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Nice place, good apps (the chorizo, empanadas, and grilled chicken were all good), but the Cuban sandwich was only pretty good. Would go again, though to try some other items...
 
Anyone who says that organic or more importantly, sustainable agricultural, is "a sham" doesn't deserve their ration of GMO corn...
 
I like it fresh from the coconut better, but I'll drink coconut water or milk that's been pateurized.

The advantage is you can smash the coconut over Snuka's murdering head.
 
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DontTedonMe said:
And they don't even taste good !! Shoprite has their brand "on sale" 12 for $6. That's 50 cent each for a lousy 6 oz cup of coffee. I got one as a gift and use it on rare occasion when I'm too lazy to brew a pot
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and another problem with them is that the coffee amount is controlled by using those cups so its incredibly weak..everytime I go to a family event I feel like im drinking watered down coffee, why bother. Why wouldnt you want to control the strength..and yes they do have a thing to put real grinds in it but generally people pay for overpriced cups
 
RU848789 said:
I don't have current numbers - I just recall reading that about half of water consumed at home is bottled water (what I meant when I said a large percentage - I wasn't being very precise, sorry). I was able to find the article linked below which says that in 2008, 33% of plain water (bottled or tap) consumed at home was bottled water. Given the major increases in bottled water consumption over the past 10 years, it would stand to reason that this percentage is likely now in the 40-50% range. This article also says that 50% of water consumed away from home is tap and 50% is bottled and that consumption of plain water at home is 70% of all water consumption, with 30% of water consumption away from home.

https://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/80400530/pdf/DBrief/7_water_intakes_0508.pdf

Even if one doesn't give a crap about the environment (17 million barrels of oil needed for the 50 billion water bottles, not including fuel for transportation and refrigeration, just in the US, of which 77% of the bottles end up in landfills), given how many people complain about money around here and elsewhere, it astonishes me that people would willingly spend $1400 per year on bottled water vs. $0.50 per year on tap water (if one exclusively used bottled water at the recommended eight glasses of water a day). Sure, maybe those numbers are on the high end for many, but even if it was half that, $700 a year wasted seems like a lot to me.
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There are actually two different types of bottled water purchases combined here.

There is the giant 5 gallon water tanks that sit on top of a water cooler, and there is the smaller bottles of water which people take with them on the go.

The report you linked doesn't indicate what portion of the bottled water consumed at home is from the 5-gallon tanks. But that purchase decision is driven by factors very different than the factors driving the purchase of the small bottles. There is no convenience factor in the decision to purchase 5-gallon tanks. I would assume the driving factors are taste (for those who don't like the chlorine taste in tap water), concerns about well water (12% of American homes get their water from private wells), or quality concerns over tap water (while most tap water is safe, there are some areas that continually have water quality issues, for example the Passaic County Water Commission serving Paterson and surrounding areas routinely exceeds federal guidelines for lead in water).
 
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