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<cough> <cough> Taiwan <cough> <cough>I wonder why most people aren't looking at the countries of Southeast Asia or Africa (especially sub-Saharan Africa) as success stories more
Taiwan, South Korea, New Zealand, etc. get a lot of attention, which is why I didn't include them - nobody talks much about Vietnam, Cambodia or Rwanda, though...<cough> <cough> Taiwan <cough> <cough>
How many people are they testing?Instead of looking at Sweden as a "success story," for reasons I still can't fathom given their very high level of 580 deaths/1MM (just behind the US), I wonder why most people aren't looking at the countries of Southeast Asia or Africa (especially sub-Saharan Africa) as success stories more, especially given the much greater level of poverty in most of these countries, which many experts thought would make these countries do much worse than the wealthier nations of the world. I've talked about these areas a few times before, but thought I'd revisit them.
Collectively, these countries have kicked ass compared to the US, much of Europe and most of South America. Africa has 1.3 billion people and 34K deaths (26 deaths/1MM); the US has 330MM people and 200K deaths (606 deaths/1MM, so the US is about 23X greater per capita), while the EU/UK (186K deaths/510MM or about 365 deaths/1MM) is a bit better than the US and South America (~570 deaths/1MM) is barely better than the US. And the SE Asian countries of Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar, and Malaysia, collectively have <2 deaths/1MM (for 275MM people), which is off the charts good.
Most of these countries certainly had less international travel than the "first world" countries (except Thailand), so they had less "seeds" for case growth, but all of them took very proactive steps early on to prevent cases/growth, as outlined in the links below. Many also think that much of the reason for ignoring these success stories is rooted in hubris and arrogance gone overboard in the world's wealthy nations almost all of whom have failed miserably compared to these countries.
https://apnews.com/0a31db50d816a463a6a29bf86463aaa9
https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com...st-asia-s-surprising-success-against-covid-19
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/world/asia/coronavirus-thailand-photos.html
+1How many people are they testing?
How are they counting their dead?
Don't know about Rwanda, but the other 2 pretty much are dictatorships so what gets reported is what the leaders want their people to hear. You might as well list North Korea alongside them.Taiwan, South Korea, New Zealand, etc. get a lot of attention, which is why I didn't include them - nobody talks much about Vietnam, Cambodia or Rwanda, though...
Exactly. There are a lot of countries around the world whose numbers I believe are highly inaccurate. Hell, the epicenter of this pandemic is reporting like it barely effected them.How many people are they testing?
How are they counting their dead?
Instead of looking at Sweden as a "success story," for reasons I still can't fathom given their very high level of 580 deaths/1MM (just behind the US), I wonder why most people aren't looking at the countries of Southeast Asia or Africa (especially sub-Saharan Africa) as success stories ...
they had like 100 cases and 1 death yesterday. I really hope their increased cases doesn't become the new battle cry for the keep everyone home crowd.I understand NJ has seen a spike in cases over the past week, especially in Monmouth and Ocean Co's. Makes sense this would happen two weeks after Labor Day as the shore was packed. Hopefully this was just a blip and we go back to doing very well with case counts.
they had like 100 cases and 1 death yesterday. I really hope their increased cases doesn't become the new battle cry for the keep everyone home crowd.
sports fields have become the new beaches. they have become so much more lax over the last few weeks. Baseball umps are now back behind the catcher, dugouts and bleachers are open, and youth football is in full swing.It seems to have been localized, not spread throughout the state although who knows how many went home with it. Reporting is based on home town sooooooo.
No expert but I'd think the concern now is schools, not beaches.
You’ve obviously never been to Africa. You really believe some of those countries are capable of providing accurate data?Instead of looking at Sweden as a "success story," for reasons I still can't fathom given their very high level of 580 deaths/1MM (just behind the US), I wonder why most people aren't looking at the countries of Southeast Asia or Africa (especially sub-Saharan Africa) as success stories more, especially given the much greater level of poverty in most of these countries, which many experts thought would make these countries do much worse than the wealthier nations of the world. I've talked about these areas a few times before, but thought I'd revisit them.
Collectively, these countries have kicked ass compared to the US, much of Europe and most of South America. Africa has 1.3 billion people and 34K deaths (26 deaths/1MM); the US has 330MM people and 200K deaths (606 deaths/1MM, so the US is about 23X greater per capita), while the EU/UK (186K deaths/510MM or about 365 deaths/1MM) is a bit better than the US and South America (~570 deaths/1MM) is barely better than the US. And the SE Asian countries of Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar, and Malaysia, collectively have <2 deaths/1MM (for 275MM people), which is off the charts good.
Most of these countries certainly had less international travel than the "first world" countries (except Thailand), so they had less "seeds" for case growth, but all of them took very proactive steps early on to prevent cases/growth, as outlined in the links below. Many also think that much of the reason for ignoring these success stories is rooted in hubris and arrogance gone overboard in the world's wealthy nations almost all of whom have failed miserably compared to these countries.
https://apnews.com/0a31db50d816a463a6a29bf86463aaa9
https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com...st-asia-s-surprising-success-against-covid-19
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/world/asia/coronavirus-thailand-photos.html
Summer lacrosse always was. Didn’t hear of many cases at all.sports fields have become the new beaches. they have become so much more lax over the last few weeks. Baseball umps are now back behind the catcher, dugouts and bleachers are open, and youth football is in full swing.
Instead of looking at Sweden as a "success story," for reasons I still can't fathom given their very high level of 580 deaths/1MM (just behind the US), I wonder why most people aren't looking at the countries of Southeast Asia or Africa (especially sub-Saharan Africa) as success stories more, especially given the much greater level of poverty in most of these countries, which many experts thought would make these countries do much worse than the wealthier nations of the world. I've talked about these areas a few times before, but thought I'd revisit them.
Collectively, these countries have kicked ass compared to the US, much of Europe and most of South America. Africa has 1.3 billion people and 34K deaths (26 deaths/1MM); the US has 330MM people and 200K deaths (606 deaths/1MM, so the US is about 23X greater per capita), while the EU/UK (186K deaths/510MM or about 365 deaths/1MM) is a bit better than the US and South America (~570 deaths/1MM) is barely better than the US. And the SE Asian countries of Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar, and Malaysia, collectively have <2 deaths/1MM (for 275MM people), which is off the charts good.
Most of these countries certainly had less international travel than the "first world" countries (except Thailand), so they had less "seeds" for case growth, but all of them took very proactive steps early on to prevent cases/growth, as outlined in the links below. Many also think that much of the reason for ignoring these success stories is rooted in hubris and arrogance gone overboard in the world's wealthy nations almost all of whom have failed miserably compared to these countries.
https://apnews.com/0a31db50d816a463a6a29bf86463aaa9
https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com...st-asia-s-surprising-success-against-covid-19
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/world/asia/coronavirus-thailand-photos.html
+1You’ve obviously never been to Africa. You really believe some of those countries are capable of providing accurate data?
unless it's tied to some aid package...then their numbers will go through the roof.+1
It's comical to think they can or want to.
Keep the tides real high to keep the beach people safe from the invaders from the north and the east!It seems to have been localized, not spread throughout the state although who knows how many went home with it. Reporting is based on home town sooooooo.
No expert but I'd think the concern now is schools, not beaches.
What are you implying, that Africa's not a robust tourist destination around the holidays with all the peace and tranquility that abounds on this breezy comfortable continent? 😉No deaths on the space station from CoVid either. What a success!
Did China target sub-Saharan Africa?
3/4s of a million visitors from China came here from December to February during the outbreak. China could have prevented ALL of THEM from leaving China.
How many did South Korea get during that time? Taiwan? Vietnam? Sub-Saharan Africa?
The USA itself has a very mobile population who travel widely... as does western Europe.
That alone counts for sub-Saharan Africa's "success". Why would you try to fashion an argument around how sub-Saharan Africa did?
Also.. the virus has mutated since then. It is less deadly now. The later that countries were infected their results should be better.
Will not click on the link to NY Times, but perhaps this is their new narrative? US and other "first world countries" should strive to become third world countries to solve covid problems.You’ve obviously never been to Africa. You really believe some of those countries are capable of providing accurate data?
Also the U.S. high cycle testing is inflating our chicomvirus numbers too. But it's not what all our CoronoBros want to acknowledge or certain media want to report.I think much of the reason the number of deaths/ 1 mm people is low in come of these countries is less testing and under reporting. For example, I don’t for one second believe the data on deaths from Russia given the overall number of cases they reported. As for mutations, that is still a huge question mark as there have been mutant strains identified that are more infectious than the one that was circulating and not less.
Pretty sure that would happen under the Green New D...oops...need to hold that thought--might get me reported to the Mods.Will not click on the link to NY Times, but perhaps this is their new narrative? US and other "first world countries" should strive to become third world countries to solve problems.
Ehh, let's not go there.Pretty sure that would happen under the Green New D...oops...need to hold that thought--might get me reported to the Mods.
You really wonder why "most people aren't looking at S/E Asia or Africa" and comparing them to the US or industrialized Western European countries? Come on, man.Instead of looking at Sweden as a "success story," for reasons I still can't fathom given their very high level of 580 deaths/1MM (just behind the US), I wonder why most people aren't looking at the countries of Southeast Asia or Africa (especially sub-Saharan Africa) as success stories more, especially given the much greater level of poverty in most of these countries, which many experts thought would make these countries do much worse than the wealthier nations of the world. I've talked about these areas a few times before, but thought I'd revisit them.
Collectively, these countries have kicked ass compared to the US, much of Europe and most of South America. Africa has 1.3 billion people and 34K deaths (26 deaths/1MM); the US has 330MM people and 200K deaths (606 deaths/1MM, so the US is about 23X greater per capita), while the EU/UK (186K deaths/510MM or about 365 deaths/1MM) is a bit better than the US and South America (~570 deaths/1MM) is barely better than the US. And the SE Asian countries of Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar, and Malaysia, collectively have <2 deaths/1MM (for 275MM people), which is off the charts good.
Most of these countries certainly had less international travel than the "first world" countries (except Thailand), so they had less "seeds" for case growth, but all of them took very proactive steps early on to prevent cases/growth, as outlined in the links below. Many also think that much of the reason for ignoring these success stories is rooted in hubris and arrogance gone overboard in the world's wealthy nations almost all of whom have failed miserably compared to these countries.
https://apnews.com/0a31db50d816a463a6a29bf86463aaa9
https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com...st-asia-s-surprising-success-against-covid-19
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/world/asia/coronavirus-thailand-photos.html
Preach brother preach!Ehh, let's not go there.
The US is unique in a lot of ways with 50 plus states/territories with very disparate geography, climate, population density and temperament and tolerance for government interference into their lives. In more sophisticated/educated cities, people may be more inclined to abide by government orders. But could never imagine US citizens being totally obedient to government orders in the way they are in Taiwan. Hypothetically, even if the President issued a nationwide mask order early on, there would be two types of people who would ignore the order--(1) those who will not do what the government tells them to do if it infringes on their "personal freedom; (2) those who hate our President and would not listen to anything he said, even if that included that he had a cure for cancer and it was free.
Face it. We are not Sweden. We are not New Zealand or Taiwan or South Korea. And thank goodness we are not a third world country in Africa. We are still the greatest nation in the world, regardless of our covid numbers. We will persevere, find our way through this and one day come out as an even better nation. That's my mindset, and it will never be shaken, regardless of the narrative of people who hate the current ruling party/administration and the noise from the biased news outlets on both sides.
Preach brother preach!
Numeros and the rest of his CoronoBros band have always looked to shut me down whenever I've posted commonsense like this in past threads.
I said most of these countries likely had much less travel seeding outbreaks, but epidemiologically, all that would do, without interventions, is delay the massive outbreaks, not stop them - look at South America, where many countries didn't start having major outbreaks until well into April. South Korea, Thailand and Vietnam (its neighbor), at least, all have a lot of travel from China, so I doubt that's a differentiating factor (per capita), whereas it would be for Africa and all of those Asian countries have very high mask compliance (over 90%, which is likely the biggest reason for their low numbers).No deaths on the space station from CoVid either. What a success!
Did China target sub-Saharan Africa?
3/4s of a million visitors from China came here from December to February during the outbreak. China could have prevented ALL of THEM from leaving China.
How many did South Korea get during that time? Taiwan? Vietnam? Sub-Saharan Africa?
The USA itself has a very mobile population who travel widely... as does western Europe.
That alone counts for sub-Saharan Africa's "success". Why would you try to fashion an argument around how sub-Saharan Africa did?
Also.. the virus has mutated since then. It is less deadly now. The later that countries were infected their results should be better.
I have friends in Thailand. They charge people for a test. Given the low average salary. Very few get tested.You really wonder why "most people aren't looking at S/E Asia or Africa" and comparing them to the US or industrialized Western European countries? Come on, man.
Who the hell said that? But maybe we should look at how so many other countries have done so much better, so we could learn something, although we already know why we've done so poorly. And not clicking on the Times is just lame, especially since that link is to a story on Thailand, which is pretty damn informative.Will not click on the link to NY Times, but perhaps this is their new narrative? US and other "first world countries" should strive to become third world countries to solve covid problems.
Has he been to Nashville ?You’ve obviously never been to Africa. You really believe some of those countries are capable of providing accurate data?
You keep trying to sound scientific, but the far right talking points you get from your hoax sources are not well thought out, as usual. The testing cycles are not "inflating" anything - they're simply detecting many more asymptomatic/presymptomatic infections, which is only "bad" if those folks then don't quarantine - and it has no impact on deaths, since if someone with a COVID infection gets sick enough to go to the hospital and then dies, it was certainly from COVID - you know doctors do know what they're doing. Also, as we've covered COVID deaths are likely seriously undercounted given that our excess deaths (vs. what we'd have in a normal year) are now around 250K during COVID vs. the 200K counted as COVID deaths - it's very likely that many to most of those extra are due to COVID.Also the U.S. high cycle testing is inflating our chicomvirus numbers too. But it's not what all our CoronoBros want to acknowledge or certain media want to report.