Good news for those that are on the fence for an EV. Tesla is offering 7,500 discount on model 3 and Y. Puts the cheapest model 3 at 41k.
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Keep in mind, you don't need to stop and charge to a full battery, especially if the ski resorts your visiting have destination chargers. A stop like that may only be 5-10 minutes. You're going to add more electrons with a low state of charge anyway. Meaning, it's probably the same amount of time going from 10% to 80% as going from 80% to 100% because of the charging curve. It's silly to wait to 100% SOC, unless you've got time to kill. See below:
If you need an EV with better winter efficiency, and overall range, go with Tesla.
Plus, they're throwing in 10k miles of free supercharging miles. Offer ends 12/31.
Great incentive for those waiting for the new EV credit which takes effect Jan. 1, or for those who may not qualify for the new credit.
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Tesla in Full-Self Driving Mode Caused 8 Car Pile-Up on Bay Bridge: Report [Updated]
Nine people were injured in the Thanksgiving Day crash.
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Already covered over Thanksgiving. FSD beta software doesn't run on highways.Tesla in Full-Self Driving Mode Caused 8 Car Pile-Up on Bay Bridge: Report [Updated]
Nine people were injured in the Thanksgiving Day crash.
Yeah, but the story was updated today. Not a ton of details were available back on Thanksgiving. Still not enough details, IMO.Already covered over Thanksgiving. FSD beta software doesn't run on highways.
And it seems that FSD hasn’t been cleared by investigators due to “not running on highways” yet. I don’t care what didn’t cause it. I want to know what did cause it. If it wasn’t the driver, then some system in the car malfunctioned.
Another feather for the Model Y
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/tesla-model-y-tops-ancaps-safest-cars-of-2022-list
The Lighting is in the honeymoon cycle just like Tesla few years back. Ford can say things like we sell every Lighting they build. However, when production ramps up, pricing power will decrease.
The hate spewed under that tweet toward Ford and EVs, oh boy. I never get that emotional one way or the other about a vehicle or vehicle brand.
It's a congregation of red hats and poor libs. they all get emotional about everything.
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Our Drivers' Notes review of the 2022 GMC Hummer EV Edition 1 where a number of editors provide thoughts on driving the supertruck.
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If the truck was garaged, obviously you wouldn't expect such a drop off in range when leaving the house. But, as the batteries acclimate to being outside, does the calculated range just fall off a cliff while you're out and about in the cold?
If it’s garaged and plugged in, I can precondition it. Max power would at 100%. Range will be less but more like 15% to 20%. But my needs doesn’t required the range or full power. If I was planning on a long trip, I would have done both.
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The extreme cold weather is exposing some downside of EVs. Overall, not a good look for EVs.
www.f150lightningforum.com
New Electrify America EA Chargers Are Failing in the Cold
"Kyle finds out that the new Electrify America chargers that they co-developed with BTC don't work in cold temperatures. He also heads to ChargePoint, EVgo, and other EA chargers to see if they have similar issues in this cold snap."
www.f150lightningforum.com
Tesla owner says he was stranded as his car wouldn't charge in the cold
Domenick Nati told Insider that the problem has forced him to cancel his Christmas plans as no Ubers are available where he lives in Virginia.
www.businessinsider.com
Extreme temps will always present difficulties, as they have done for ICEVs. But I feel pretty sure that, also like ICEVs, EVs and battery tech in general will improve enough so it’s not an issue except in the most extreme circumstances, e.g. Alaska or Siberia.The extreme cold weather is exposing some downside of EVs. Overall, not a good look for EVs.
New Electrify America EA Chargers Are Failing in the Cold
"Kyle finds out that the new Electrify America chargers that they co-developed with BTC don't work in cold temperatures. He also heads to ChargePoint, EVgo, and other EA chargers to see if they have similar issues in this cold snap."
Tesla owner says he was stranded as his car wouldn't charge in the cold
Domenick Nati told Insider that the problem has forced him to cancel his Christmas plans as no Ubers are available where he lives in Virginia.www.businessinsider.com
We take their relative reliability for granted now, but ICE cars used to be much more susceptible to temp extremes than they are today. Won’t take EVs nearly as long to figure out solutions. Perhaps chemistry will prove helpful. And no, I don’t mean hookers and blow type chemistry.
I’m sure the rolling blackouts are helping.
it impacts the 2 differently. For ICE, it harder to start, but once it gets going, you are good. For EV, it’s just efficiency or non-efficiency. Range and power are no where near capability.
FYI - in some parts of CA, govs are asking residents to not charge their EVs overnight due to grid/capacity issues. The grid was built for a certain amount of power for a certain amount of time. The growing pains with increasing EV use are going to be massive.The extreme cold weather is exposing some downside of EVs. Overall, not a good look for EVs.
New Electrify America EA Chargers Are Failing in the Cold
"Kyle finds out that the new Electrify America chargers that they co-developed with BTC don't work in cold temperatures. He also heads to ChargePoint, EVgo, and other EA chargers to see if they have similar issues in this cold snap."
Tesla owner says he was stranded as his car wouldn't charge in the cold
Domenick Nati told Insider that the problem has forced him to cancel his Christmas plans as no Ubers are available where he lives in Virginia.www.businessinsider.com
Rolling power outages in Tennessee causes NFL's Titans to delay game one hour | CNN
The NFL's Tennessee Titans delayed its scheduled noon CT game by an hour due to temporary rolling blackouts in the region that stemmed from the winter storm and brutal cold.
must be the all the EVs in Tenn.
A week after saying they were going all EV they said you couldn’t charge them to save energy.
Genius leadership.
Temperature and humidity do impact the power and efficiency of IC engines. Adjusting to changing temperature and humidity conditions to maintain peak operation is 100% of what an ECU is for.
Don’t you use your primary car to bounce around town? Agree that it’s hard as the only car. I still need an ICE.
Not to the same degree. most can live with 10-15%. But anything over 20% gets you thinking.
Like 4real said, there are ICE temp impacts beyond just starting. Although, as you say, it's not as significant as w/EVs. But on the other end of the temp spectrum, heat used to cause a lot of problems for ICEVs and it really doesn't so much anymore, outside of extreme environments or during extreme high speed driving such as racing. You still can heat-soak a turbo-charged ICEV pretty easily, though, which results in a substantial loss of top end power.
I have to think EV auto-makers will get cold-temp power/efficiency losses mostly under control for non-extreme environments. Just take a bit of time.
In the meantime, I'd be leery of having a single car be an EV if I lived in a region of the country that sees 0 degree temps a lot, especially if I did a lot of driving in sparsely populated areas. As you say, I'd be thinking about it. But around central NJ, this sort of cold is pretty rare and we're densely populated so even if one winds up stuck on the side of the road, help is close by.
My wife's car is the Model Y and we are a little over two years with it. Like Belly, we went two years with going to the dealer once, the day we picked it up. A month over two years the heater went and was fixed under warranty but had to wait 10 days for an appointment.
Pluses - smooth, fast, quiet, people like it, feel secure during emergencies as we have a whole house generator on ng, no maintenance, solid in rain probably due to weight but feels like you could not hydroplane, like the security of the cams if you get clipped in a parking lot. Negs are highway range, especially travelling at higher speeds and if using heavy ac or heat, I find the controls quirky but some of that is I don't drive it much and haven't taken the time to learn but you can't just let someone borrow it without tutoring first, interior not as luxurious as similarly priced ICE vehicle, back seat seems a little tight for three for a bigger vehicle, rear window a little small, wish the wheels were recessed a little to avoid curb rash. Verdict - love it and still the car everyone in the family wants to drive, save for me on nice weekend days I have a 03 MR2.
While in for the heater service my wife convinced them to give her a loaner so they gave us the Model S P100D. It was really fast, almost sickeningly and scary. I can't imagine what the Plaid is like, or when the two seater comes out, maybe getting beyond what the human body and mind can handle.
Pluses - smooth, fast, quiet, people like it, feel secure during emergencies as we have a whole house generator on ng, no maintenance, solid in rain probably due to weight but feels like you could not hydroplane, like the security of the cams if you get clipped in a parking lot. Negs are highway range, especially travelling at higher speeds and if using heavy ac or heat, I find the controls quirky but some of that is I don't drive it much and haven't taken the time to learn but you can't just let someone borrow it without tutoring first, interior not as luxurious as similarly priced ICE vehicle, back seat seems a little tight for three for a bigger vehicle, rear window a little small, wish the wheels were recessed a little to avoid curb rash. Verdict - love it and still the car everyone in the family wants to drive, save for me on nice weekend days I have a 03 MR2.
While in for the heater service my wife convinced them to give her a loaner so they gave us the Model S P100D. It was really fast, almost sickeningly and scary. I can't imagine what the Plaid is like, or when the two seater comes out, maybe getting beyond what the human body and mind can handle.
I had an older generation MR2 and loved it. Only had maybe 98 HP, so it wasn't exactly fast and at the top end, the wind stalled it out at about 120mph (actually got pulled over by the PA state police going 120, no ticket, but that's a story for another day). The fun part about MR2s is the nimble, neutral handling due to the mid-engine layout. The flip side being it was incredibly easy to spin it in wet weather (which was fun when intentional and scary when not).
As for the strong acceleration performance of many EVs, I think it's a potential problem giving ordinary drivers so much instant torque. It's not so much that the human body and mind can't handle it - we've been doing it for decades. It's that not all humans are equally capable of handling it and some clearly cannot.
There's a reason why so many new sports car owners wind up in YouTube videos wrapping their new cars around trees or crashing into a row of cars. People go from cars with normal acceleration capability to cars that can hit 60 mph around 3s and they aren't ready for it. And those are cars designed with a lot of mechanical and aerodynamic grip so as to make it safer to deal with the extreme forces involved in rapid acceleration or high-speeds.
Nowadays, ordinary EV sedans have all this torque and are not typically designed with a ton of mechanical grip or downforce. Nor are they equipped with tires designed to help with high-performance driving. We're sticking a bunch of ordinary and inexperienced (performance-driving-wise) drivers into a car capable of extreme straight-line performance. I think, as EV adoption continues to accelerate (no pun intended), that may become a more prevalent problem.
The 03 MR2 is 138 hp and about 2500 lbs, peppy but not fast particularly by today's standards, but you get the thrill of feeling fast with the top down and winding out the gears. I like that it is reliable and somewhat unique and less and less around. I had a BMW 635 convertible pull up next to me once and the woman looked over and asked what kind of car it was, I thought it was funny that she had a $70k car and was looking adorably at a car I bought for less than $8k in 2013.
Back to fast EV's, I am a less government libertarian type but after the P100D I did start thinking it might not be a bad idea to require some form of driving school requirement for some of these cars. I can't imagine a 17 year old taking out the parent's Plaid.
My wife worked in the rental car industry for 15 years. Her company tried to roll out an EV program at LaGuardia a few years ago
Let's just say there's a reason they still rent mostly ICE vehicles - US grid infrastructure can't come close to handling demand
+1
Here's a NJ dirty little secret. PSE&G, JCP&L, and ACE have over 500 wind and solar projects (some completed, most planned) that they can't connect to the main grid. Why? The grid can't handle it! Once the local overnight demand for energy (mostly EV charging) is reached, everyone is screwed. LOL!
Guess she doesn’t work for Hertz. Buddy rented a model 3 from Hertz at LaGuardia.
The biggest misconception is that every EV needs to charge every night. Do you fill up everyday? I charge once a week and the battery is only at 40%. My charging time is about 4 to 5 hrs and the app tells me it stop charging.
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