OT: Electric vehicles
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Under 80 miles. EV range is around 200 to 300 miles. Not many people drive that in a day.
The good thing is that the cars are getting better at keeping us on the asphalt.
I once drove a 5th gen Mustang GT 350 that tried really, really hard to kill me. My BIL's new(ish) DB11 is remarkably well-composed by comparison - and the Aston isn't particularly well known for its handling.
I really want to get my hands on Cayman. Everything I know about it suggests that it's a desirable car to drive.
On a different note, I'm growing fonder of the Macan. I was chatting some woman in the ShopRite parking lot on Christmas Eve and she was raving about hers.
What I meant was I would always have a gas powered car also and not depend on an EV car
for serious driving
That first link is from the F150 Lightning foums. Unless I misread it, the problem is not with the EVs but with an equipment malfunction in EA s charging station. It's not a problem with the EV per se, but certainly impacts the driving experience. From what I have Seen EA is a pretty shoddy company.The extreme cold weather is exposing some downside of EVs. Overall, not a good look for EVs.
New Electrify America EA Chargers Are Failing in the Cold
"Kyle finds out that the new Electrify America chargers that they co-developed with BTC don't work in cold temperatures. He also heads to ChargePoint, EVgo, and other EA chargers to see if they have similar issues in this cold snap."www.f150lightningforum.com
Tesla owner says he was stranded as his car wouldn't charge in the cold
Domenick Nati told Insider that the problem has forced him to cancel his Christmas plans as no Ubers are available where he lives in Virginia.www.businessinsider.com
I have read bad things about EA but my personal experience has been good. Again, most of this doesn’t apply to majority of the EV owners. No one is really going out in the conditions they are testing in. But it’s good clickbait and not a good look for EV.
Not a good look for EV, or for the authors and publishers of these ridiculous articles? Dirty Harry's saying that "A man has to know his limitations" applies to EVs. Don't buy one if you live in an extremely cold climate or an apartment building or condo where at home charging is not possible. Also, if you need to tow heavy loads long distances, don't buy one. For every day truck guys like you and me who do homeowner truck things and use it to go back and forth to Home Depot and the recycling center, they are an attractive alternative to ICE vehicles.
Is very true that all new cars, even minivans or trucks, handle way better and have way smarter ECU-based nannies than ever. And tire tech has improved a bunch too. So yeah, no argument about how cars are better than ever at keeping us on the pavement and upright.
But that’s part of the problem, IMO. Cars do a good job of getting drivers closer to the limit than ever today but there’s a point at which even the most sophisticated traction control systems are insufficient to the task and, unlike in the past with most ordinary cars, the breakaway point can occur with lots less warning.
Instead of communicating mild understeer or oversteer in cornering, or wheel slip in acceleration, to drivers that they feel and have time to respond to, the car manages the responses itself and the driver is unaware of the looming danger right up until physics asserts itself in a way that overwhelms the traction control system.
Combine all that with how quick cars and even some SUVs are these days, and with how drivers are coming from a Camry or Accord and don’t have the experience you got in the GT 350 (and elsewhere), and I‘m just saying bad things can happen.
I’m still high on the Macan, been doing builds of the Macan GTS in the configurator. But still not seeing any easing of pricing. Hoping that rising interest rates dent demand some. But one serious negative, for me, is that the back seat is really tight. Not great for road-trips for more than two adults, unless some of the adults are pretty small.
California passes law banning deceptive self-driving claims - Autoblog
California will ban the use of deceptive terminology to describe driver assistance features that still require human intervention.
www.autoblog.com
Harsh but it needed saying…. Elon either needs to grow up or step aside. I think he ought to step aside and focus on philanthropy. It’d be good for his soul where being a billionaire CEO clearly isn’t.
www.roadandtrack.com
Emperor Elon: Naked and Famous
It has been a rough year for Tesla's boss. He dumped enough money to fund 11 new models into Twitter, and unmasked the “Real Musk” as grotesquely as the Phantom of the Opera.
Good news if you want a model Y or 3, prices are being cut…
www.roadandtrack.com
These Two Tesla Models Just Received Big Discounts
These two Tesla models have received big discounts from the automaker, but it’s more complex as there’s a new EV incentive structure coming up.
Good news if you want a model Y or 3, prices are being cut…
These Two Tesla Models Just Received Big Discounts
These two Tesla models have received big discounts from the automaker, but it’s more complex as there’s a new EV incentive structure coming up.
If they were to cut the price of a 3 to something under 30k, I'd snap one up. That's about equilibrium, for me.
I was between a mx-5 or a ID4 for my daughter. At 40k with 7500 tax credit, it was “close enough” to go with the ID4. I think I’m ahead because of resale and gas savings.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens. I have no clue what’s gonna happen with the economy in 2023 and it seems like nobody else does either. So I keep waiting on the car buying. Impatiently.
Highly unlikely. What they should do is offer a shorter range model 3 at that pricing. VW is doing that with the ID4. It’s a 20% discount and 2/3 of the range of the standard model.
We’ll see. If the economy really tanks, I think we’re gonna see a lot of price normalization, all the way up and down automotive supply chains. It’s totally nuts at the moment, even with interest rates being so high.
In mid-2020, I could’ve had a Macan GTS build allocation with 10% off MSRP. Today, I can’t find one at MSRP, dealers are marking them all up. Demand and supply.
Saw a suv drag race on YouTube and the Porsche Cayenne turbo GT did 0-60 in 2.8 secs. That’s just stupid fast for a suv.
Yeah, with even just a few of the more desirable options, the price climbs pretty quickly. MSRP of $115K for what I'd want. Here's a build close to what I'd probably get: http://www.porsche-code.com/PPKN3YN6.
The problem I have is that I could get a whole lot more SUV for that price (or less), with a lot more passenger and cargo space. And even more luxury. And it would be better in heavy snow.
Only thing I think I'd really miss was the great handling and handling isn't really why I'm in the market for an SUV in the first place. So... I dunno.
OTOH, if we both get one, we might be able to snag them at MSRP or, who knows, lower. I just checked online now some folks are reporting getting MSRP for stuff on lots on base Macans, so perhaps a small discount for GTS's isn't out of the realm of possibility already.
Actually, if we both get Macans and I plunk down a deposit on a GT3 build allocation, that might produce sub-MSRP on the Macans and some reasonable amount over for the GT3.
Anybody else interested? Group buy? Anyone? Bueller? Supposed to see an EV Macan sometime in 2023, I think if that helps with the decision.
They're insane with their options. I forced myself to be frugal and just configured a Macan S up to almost 85k.
I got to track several different Cayenne models up at Monticello Race Club in NYS a couple/few years back. The Cayenne Turbo GT wasn't out yet, but there was a Cayenne Turbo with all the performance/suspension options and it was pretty mind-blowing how something so big and heavy could lap so fast.
Was drizzling most of the day which made the cornering speeds even more mind-blowing - took me a while to work up the nerve to start really pushing and even then I probably only got to 5/10ths. In the dry, I figure I might've gotten to 7/10ths maybe. It just felt too physics defying, compared to low, light, sports cars.
I had one butt-puckering moment where I'd gone from lapping the loaded Cayenne Turbo to lapping a Cayenne S w/no upgraded suspension options. Big huge downgrade in handling capability.
But I wasn't paying enough attention and still had the Turbo's awesome handling on my brain and took it into the fastest corner, a high-speed sweeper, much too fast. Felt the weight shift and immediately realized my mistake in a big "oh shit" moment. I had maybe an inch or so of wheel hanging off the track on the grass on the exit of the turn, trying to use the whole track to bleed off speed while staying off the brake and on throttle to keep it from spinning off into the fencing.
It was a very, very close thing.
I'm pretty sure they keep psychologists on the payroll to assist in the design of the configurator and how they present all the options. Those f-ers.
For instance, If I do wind up getting a Macan, I'll want it to be color-matched w/my current car. And, of course, that color, available for under $1000 on my car, is only available in the Macan GTS as an $11,400 option. WTF?
Just thinking about this, about how mess with our heads this way, pisses me off. Makes me think of this scene:
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Positive Lightning towing reviews. Haters will hate, however. A man has to know his limitations and his EV's limitations too, just like Dirty Harry said:
www.f150lightningforum.com
I towed a brick (box trailer) in sub-freezing temperatures and the Lightning did great!
My normal trailer is an Airstream that we take camping in milder temps, so when I needed to tow this box trailer in cold weather to an area with little charging infrastructure, I paused to do some math. My Airstream gets about 1.2 m/kWh (averaged over about 700 miles of towing in 50-70 degree...
www.f150lightningforum.com
Are Coastal Nuclear Power Plants Ready for Sea Level Rise? | Hakai Magazine
As shorelines creep inland and storms worsen, nuclear reactors around the world face new challenges.
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Porsche chief Oliver Blume: the CAR interview
Oliver Blume profile: CAR magazine UK interviews Oliver Blume, the chairman of the executive board of Porsche and the wider Volkswagen Group
www.carmagazine.co.uk
My favorite quote from the article: "Talking about the 911, it will be the model which we will drive as long as we can with a combustion engine.’"Porsche chief Oliver Blume: the CAR interview
Oliver Blume profile: CAR magazine UK interviews Oliver Blume, the chairman of the executive board of Porsche and the wider Volkswagen Groupwww.carmagazine.co.uk
No idea how long that might be. But, as someone whose interest with 911s started at 10 years old, it warms my heart to hear. I can totally embrace a hybrid 911 and they are coming soon enough. But fully remove the combustion engine from a 911 and it's just not a 911 anymore - it'll become just another fast car, which is a little boring to me.
Maybe the e-fuel will preserve it. Maybe not. But it's worth the try, IMO.
that's what everyone says about their favorite motors. water cooled vs air cooled 911, a supra without a toyota I-6, a 4 cylinder 328, a 6 cyl instead of a hemi in the dodge muscle cars. shouldn't you trust porsche to build a new-age 911 to drive as well as a traditional ICE one?
I don't know, people are still bitching about the 4 cylinder 718s (Boxter / Cayman). They're quicker, but don't sound like the flat 6. This offends some folks.
I don’t trust anybody to build an EV sports car that will remain engaging to me. Is partly why I have zero interest in a Taycan. I know Porsche will weave its driver-centric magic on all these cars. They’ve got the formula down to a science.
But some critical elements of that, for me, are the sounds and lightness and gearboxes (even with PDK-equipped models).
Hell, in the 911, even driving with a passenger or full tank of gas cuts way down on the thrill due to the handling impact of the added weight. The most fun is found when the tank is near empty. Even all wheel drive interferes with my desired sense of engagement. If my front tire pressures aren’t perfect, it‘ll ruin the experience.
I’m not trying to make a general statement about this stuff for others. I’m sure a Rimac Nevera is wildly exciting to drive. Everybody is different. I’m just stating what I’ve found engages me, individually, over a sustained period of ownership.
I’m a little obsessive, a little nuts, about it, I realize.
Me being one of them. Not that they aren’t awesome, they are. But the latest GTS, GT4, and GT4RS‘s, with their 911-sourced flat 6 engines, are magical by all accounts, and the sounds and naturally aspirated torque curves are a big part of that.
Would an all electric Miata be as engaging and as loved as the current ones? Maybe, we’ll find out I guess.
But at the moment, that’s what’s so great about having options. And I hope we find a clean technological way to keep some of those choices alive.
Okay, okay, maybe a little more than a little. But I’m mild in most other ways, now. I swear.
The 2023 Zeekr 001 Is the Longest-Range EV With Claimed 641 Miles Per Charge
Chinese electric car maker Zeekr upped the range on its 001 EV so it now covers more than 600 miles on a charge.
jalopnik.com
Fix the Inflation Reduction Act EV Tax Credit
https://www.change.org/p/fix-the-inflation-reduction-act-ev-tax-credit
The federal rebate on EVs is limited by quantity per model. There have been more Model 3s sold than whatever that limit is, so no more rebate.
Don’t think so. That’s gone with the new law
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