F's debt is staggering and so are their labor costs. The CEO even admitted that most Lightning models don't turn a profit.
Nice try though. LOL!
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Nice try though. LOL!
For someone who claims to be in the pharma business, you don't know a whole lot about product cost vs. unit cost.
What he said, and what is widely known, is that the Lightning program isn't expected to be profitable until Gen 2 because Ford is still in the process of recouping billions of dollars worth of R&D against current sales.
There's a pretty specific accounting difference between that and how much profit they make, per unit, against manufacturing costs.
LOL. The CEO of F knows more than you. Maybe one day F will make a profitable EV. However, they need to get rid of some of that debt. It is killing the company.
Once again, I iterate my request that you present us with at just one topic - anything - that you know something about. Because so far your legacy is "Village Idiot".
The sales rep said Tesla does not currently offer the referral program for vehicles, just solar panels.
Former Village Idiot. He got voted out from the job.
Not that I’m choosing sides here. Just wanted to make a factual clarification. I’m all about accuracy.
If you scroll down in the tweet thread, you'll see a woman filling the wiper fluid reservoir of a Tesla with gasoline. 😂
I think it was the CFO who actually said this but you are leaving out a lot of context here. As noted, part of the issue is the recouping of R&D costs for the Lightning. It's not uncommon for an entirely new automobile built from scratch to take years to get profitable. Note the Mach-E from Ford. It's profitable now but initially wasn't as they recouped their R&D costs.
Not sure.Is that the whole story, or is this BS?
I'm going to guess the supercharger pic is real.
The gas in the wiper fluid reservoir? ..hard to imagine someone could be so dumb.
R&D could be zero. When you're only producing 60k EVs for the whole year (Lightning+MachE), your not going to be in the green.
We'll know exactly what they're making/losing with the q1 earnings report. As of Jan 1, Ford will be reporting earnings separately for ICE and EV
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/02/ford-splits-evs-and-legacy-autos-into-separate-units.html
Ford and all of the automakers are very transparent in their reporting. Not sure why Tesla can provide details. Not sure why investors are ok with it.
Transparent in reporting their EV profit/loss separately from their ICE sales?
I don't believe you're correct. I'd love to see it if you have that data.
They are reporting model sales numbers and regional sales numbers. Probably not worth the expense to break it out yet because EV sales are still too small. I bet you once the sales reach a certain level, they‘ll break it out. Just like Ford.
Hate to feed the Ford hater, but it seems at least one Ford dealership is not prepared to handle service issues with the F150 Lightning. Some props to Tesla service too. This one is a nightmare. But one lemon does not sour the whole bunch.
www.f150lightningforum.com
Got a Lemon.... Make Lemonade?
Hey guys! Proud (or was) owner of a 22 Lightning Platinum. December 12 I was at a drive-thru ordering food when all of the sudden I started getting alerts and bing bongs. I didn't know what was going on. I turn the truck off, opened the door, closed the door, opened the door and started it...
www.f150lightningforum.com
Interesting video on how to properly Tow F150 Lightning. Apparently the tow driver in link above did not know any of this and dragged the vehicle up onto a flatbed.
It’s not just Ford. Anything with too much electronics risk these type of issues. I remember once my frunk would close automatically and I was freaking out. But it closed after the 2nd try and works fine now.Hate to feed the Ford hater, but it seems at least one Ford dealership is not prepared to handle service issues with the F150 Lightning. Some props to Tesla service too. This one is a nightmare. But one lemon does not sour the whole bunch.
Got a Lemon.... Make Lemonade?
Hey guys! Proud (or was) owner of a 22 Lightning Platinum. December 12 I was at a drive-thru ordering food when all of the sudden I started getting alerts and bing bongs. I didn't know what was going on. I turn the truck off, opened the door, closed the door, opened the door and started it...
All-electric Vector fire truck to be part of fleet at Daytona International Speedway
Three other REV Fire pumpers will also be on hand for races this year
Tesla to announce $3.5 billion Semi manufacturing facility in Nevada [Update]
Tesla is preparing to announce a new $3.5 billion advanced manufacturing facility in Nevada where the company will build its Semi truck. The new factory will be announced alongside state officials, including Governor Joe Lombardo [...]
driveteslacanada.ca
Honda to create division to speed up electrification development
Honda Motor Co said on Tuesday it would create a new division in a bid to strengthen and speed up its electrification business as part of an overhaul of its organisational structure.
www.reuters.com
so far behind...how are people supposed to get their electric accords?
It's tough to create an EV version of the best car in the universe. Can't rush it.Honda to create division to speed up electrification development
Honda Motor Co said on Tuesday it would create a new division in a bid to strengthen and speed up its electrification business as part of an overhaul of its organisational structure.
so far behind...how are people supposed to get their electric accords?
Honda is in trouble. ICE sales plummeting and years behind in EVs.Honda to create division to speed up electrification development
Honda Motor Co said on Tuesday it would create a new division in a bid to strengthen and speed up its electrification business as part of an overhaul of its organisational structure.
so far behind...how are people supposed to get their electric accords?
Do you mean because they are heavily subsidizing petrol and diesel fuels due to the war? Thought the anti-EV crowd did not like subsidies for energy companies?
Charging at home is still the cheapest of all. I'm laughing all the way to the bank, saving at least $3,000/year on fuel and virtually no maintenance costs. Winning!!!
You say that about every automaker that's not Tesla.
You'd think he'd be pissed off about his Tesla stock losing so much value recently. Stockholm syndrome?
Always felt like he writes this bullshit on here in hopes he and his fellow Tesla fanboys can help lift the stock ... even if it's just a tiny push.
I assume he's one of those commenters on auto news sites, too.
What I find ironic is when he accuses some of the more nutty CE boarders making anti-EV posts here of being paid. They aren't paid; they're just paranoid obsessive script followers doing what they're programmed to do.
If I were forced to guess which of this thread's contributors is mostly likely being paid, it'd be him. Because why on earth would anybody expend so much effort to shill for an automotive brand for free? And when you think about it, a person attempting to convince other people to buy stock the person owns is actually working to get paid.
My Tesla investment is just fine. In fact, I never bring up Tesla's stock in this thread
Instead of just saying I "write this bullshit", post something of substance to dispute it.
