OT: Electric vehicles

[T2Kplus20]

Heck, in 1992 that bastion of conservativism, Jerry Brown, proposed a 13 percent flat income tax. I remember him throwing books into a garbage can, symbolic of trashing the oversized tax code. There were other parts of his plan that were shaky. Of course, many of the liberal newspapers panned the idea as unfair.

JERRY BROWN`S FLAT-TAX BOMB

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Jerry Brown’s bogus flat tax

FORMER California Gov. Jerry Brown placed a surprisingly strong second in Michigan, by moving into the vacuum on the Democratic Party left. He played to the beleaguered United Auto Workers union, a…

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The flat tax is as fair as a tax code can be. If someone make 10 times more than someone else, they pay 10 times more in taxes. How can anyone argue with that?

 

[Knight Shift]

The flat tax is as fair as a tax code can be. If someone make 10 times more than someone else, they pay 10 times more in taxes. How can anyone argue with that?

I can't think of an argument, but I also have not given it much thought because the chances of it becoming a reality are slim.

 

[jtung230]

Don't be stupid. Set the rate to be revenue neutral. Likely 18-20%.

So, you just want a tax cut.

 

[T2Kplus20]

So, you just want a tax cut.

Look up what revenue neutral means.

 

[mildone]

Musk oversaw misleading 2016 video saying Tesla drove itself | TechCrunch

According to emails viewed by Bloomberg, Musk told Autopilot team to open promo video saying the car is driving itself.

techcrunch.com

 

[Ty Webb]

Musk oversaw misleading 2016 video saying Tesla drove itself | TechCrunch

According to emails viewed by Bloomberg, Musk told Autopilot team to open promo video saying the car is driving itself.

techcrunch.com

Shocking.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Love me some ev, biggest threat to environment there is

 

[mildone]

Shocking.

I mean, he's far from the first CEO to demo vaporware. But his cult likes to portray him as some sort of altruistic angel out to save mankind from itself. All we have to do to create a better world for everyone is whatever EM tells us to do.

Nevermind that the demo in question was showing an automotive "feature" that seems to be causing accidents with injuries or deaths. Or that a Model Y crashed during the making of the video.

Tesla's a good company but I think Musk needs to go. If he ever had a Midas touch, it seems to have turned to stone hands.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

How does Redwood Materials compare to Li-Cycle?

Not sure. First I'm hearing of Li-Cycle

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

I mean, he's far from the first CEO to demo vaporware. But his cult likes to portray him as some sort of altruistic angel out to save mankind from itself. All we have to do to create a better world for everyone is whatever EM tells us to do.

Nevermind that the demo in question was showing an automotive "feature" that seems to be causing accidents with injuries or deaths. Or that a Model Y crashed during the making of the video.

Tesla's a good company but I think Musk needs to go. If he ever had a Midas touch, it seems to have turned to stone hands.

Yeah, Tesla is really struggling.

Leave it to the board's biggest narcissist to think he knows better than the world's most successful entrepreneur. Keep clicking that clickbait!

 

[fsg2]

Love me some ev, biggest threat to environment there is

Come on, Maybach, this is a car thread, too. Contribute something interesting.

 

[RU4Real]

Come on, Maybach, this is a car thread, too. Contribute something interesting.

Well now you've gone and done it, then, haven't you?

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

VW, Audi going backwards in the EV game. Dropping heat pumps for less efficient resistive heating:

https://www.electrive.com/2023/01/19/vw-drops-the-heat-pump-due-to-semiconductor-shortage/

https://insideevs.com/news/631169/audi-no-heat-pumps-q4/

Why this matters:

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/3-ways...hicle-ev-performance-efficiency-cold-weather/

 

[T2Kplus20]

VW, Audi going backwards in the EV game. Dropping heat pumps for less efficient resistive heating:

https://www.electrive.com/2023/01/19/vw-drops-the-heat-pump-due-to-semiconductor-shortage/

https://insideevs.com/news/631169/audi-no-heat-pumps-q4/

Why this matters:

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/3-ways...hicle-ev-performance-efficiency-cold-weather/

All the traditional car companies have a staggering amount of debt. They talk a big game on EVs, but their realities will be much different.

 

[mildone]

Yeah, Tesla is really struggling.

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Leave it to the board's biggest narcissist to think he knows better than the world's most successful entrepreneur. Keep clicking that clickbait!

Read much? I just said Tesla is a good company. With numbers like that, one wonders how Tesla stock went from ~400 to ~100 in less than a year?

If you guessed: "My personal idol, Sir Lies a Lot, kept screwing up", then you're absolutely correct! Tell him what he's won, Johnny!

"That's right folks, Belly has won himself a free trip to Cultsville Island, where the sack slurping and headfirst sand-diving are free and the crow is served hot and fresh".

Thanks, Johnny. And thanks Belly, for playing. We'll see you all again soon for the next rousing episode of "Unpaid Adoration for Billionaires Who Don't Know You Exist".

😉

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

VW, Audi going backwards in the EV game. Dropping heat pumps for less efficient resistive heating:

https://www.electrive.com/2023/01/19/vw-drops-the-heat-pump-due-to-semiconductor-shortage/

https://insideevs.com/news/631169/audi-no-heat-pumps-q4/

Why this matters:

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/3-ways...hicle-ev-performance-efficiency-cold-weather/

Meanwhile at Tesla:

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Not sure. First I'm hearing of Li-Cycle

I've been reading about a number of battery recycling startups. The market is responding to the need for better methods of recycling.

5 Top Battery Recycling Startups Impacting Energy

We analyzed 81 Battery Recycling startups. Li-Cycle, Lithion Recycling, AkkuSer, NAWA Technologies & Duesenfeld develop 5 top solutions!

www.startus-insights.com

 

[jtung230]

Yeah, Tesla is really struggling.

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Leave it to the board's biggest narcissist to think he knows better than the world's most successful entrepreneur. Keep clicking that clickbait!

It’s easy to show growth when you are a low production company. It’s harder to keep that rate of growth when you start producing meaningful numbers. Tesla already missed the 50% YOY growth rate already and they are only at 1.3mm units. To put that in perspective, Toyota sold 1.1mm Corollas annually

 

[mildone]

It’s easy to show growth when you are a low production company. It’s harder to keep that rate of growth when you start producing meaningful numbers. Tesla already missed the 50% YOY growth rate already and they are only at 1.3mm units. To put that in perspective, Toyota sold 1.1mm Corollas annually

Dammit man! Elon is a God among men. Trouble us not with performance metric trivialities.

It matters not that the shareholders lost nearly 3/4s of the value of their stock in the past year. Worrying about anybody other than Elon would be, uh, narcissistic. Yeah, that's it. Narcissistic.

We must only worry about defending Lord Elon, The Truly Altruistic. We must prostrate ourselves before him. We must flagellate ourselves unmercifully for even being capable of forming the merest doubt about his immense magnificence, that capacity being our most egregious original sin.

 

[RutgersNo1]

I knew Tesla is not good at customer service, but I didn’t expect it to be this bad. My Tesla Advisor doesn’t reply any of my messages after the order date.

 

[fsg2]

I knew Tesla is not good at customer service, but I didn’t expect it to be this bad. My Tesla Advisor doesn’t reply any of my messages after the order date.

Tesla "advisor" ...lol.

Better than "electric mobility consultant," I guess.

 

[mildone]

I knew Tesla is not good at customer service, but I didn’t expect it to be this bad. My Tesla Advisor doesn’t reply any of my messages after the order date.

Elon sent all the CSRs to twitter to replace all the experienced and competent coders who quit in disgust over Elon's cluelessly ill-advised ultimatum. The CSR's don't know how to code or anything, but who cares, surely it's the easiest thing ever. It's not hard work like not losing nearly half of $200B+ in net worth.

When they get done over there, they can come back and join the FSD development team.

 

[RUevolution36]

Elon sent all the CSRs to twitter to replace all the experienced and competent coders who quit in disgust over Elon's cluelessly ill-advised ultimatum. The CSR's don't know how to code or anything, but who cares, surely it's the easiest thing ever. It's not hard work like not losing nearly half of $200B+ in net worth.

When they get done over there, they can come back and join the FSD development team.

They're crash test dummies...I mean..."beta testers"

 

[tom1944]

I knew Tesla is not good at customer service, but I didn’t expect it to be this bad. My Tesla Advisor doesn’t reply any of my messages after the order date.

Have you tweeted about it?

 

[MoreCowbellRU]

Elon sent all the CSRs to twitter to replace all the experienced and competent coders who quit in disgust over Elon's cluelessly ill-advised ultimatum. The CSR's don't know how to code or anything, but who cares, surely it's the easiest thing ever. It's not hard work like not losing nearly half of $200B+ in net worth.

When they get done over there, they can come back and join the FSD development team.

The "experienced and competent" coders didn't quit. Elon changed their pronouns to "was and were" for a reason.

 

[mildone]

The "experienced and competent" coders didn't quit. Elon changed their pronouns to "was and were" for a reason.

Yeah, they absolutely did.

Very talented tech folks don’t have to put up with out of touch CEOs who think they’re easily replaceable. They can always get good work, excellent pay, and usually stock or stock options.

Average and below average tech people are mostly easily replaceable. I’m not talking about them. The really talented people, are not. Not easily and not inexpensively. They’re like 5 star recruits and companies compete for them.

I confess I don’t understand what you mean with the pronoun thing.

 

[mildone]

Harley-Davidson Will Go All-Electric, Says CEO

The motorcycle company just spun off LiveWire but H-D confirmed it will transition to a fully electric lineup.

jalopnik.com

 

[jtung230]

A Tesla buyer says he got a $12,000 discount after asking for a reduction on his order following big price cuts

One customer told Insider that Tesla rejected his request for an adjustment, but he later learned of a cut reflecting big reductions for new orders.

www.yahoo.com

Remember when Tesla said the dealership model sucks because of the markups?

 

[Knight Shift]

A Tesla buyer says he got a $12,000 discount after asking for a reduction on his order following big price cuts

One customer told Insider that Tesla rejected his request for an adjustment, but he later learned of a cut reflecting big reductions for new orders.

www.yahoo.com

Remember when Tesla said the dealership model sucks because of the markups?

Not sure what point you are trying to make. I don't remember ever hearing or reading about a dealership cutting prices on an order.

 

[jtung230]

In race to electrify, Uber wants EVs that sacrifice top speeds, wheels

The clock is ticking for Uber to electrify its fleet, and the rideshare company wants automakers to help by designing cheaper electric vehicles for its drivers. Lawmakers are setting deadlines for rideshare companies to ditch fossil fuels (California's Air Resources Board among them), and Uber...

www.yahoo.com

100% agree with this. I get performance sells but EV should be more about practicality. I would trade 0-60 time for more range.

 

[jtung230]

Not sure what point you are trying to make. I don't remember ever hearing or reading about a dealership cutting prices on an order.

It’s call dynamic pricing. You charge more when demand goes up and lowers them when demand goes down. Instead of dealerships doing it, Tesla does it company wide.

ETA this is the 1st time demand went down so the price cuts is catching all the Tesla fan club off guard. Plus a lot of people were flipping them for profit.

 

[Knight Shift]

It’s call dynamic pricing. You charge more when demand goes up and lowers them when demand goes down. Instead of dealerships doing it, Tesla does it company wide.

ETA this is the 1st time demand went down so the price cuts is catching all the Tesla fan club off guard. Plus a lot of people were flipping them for profit.

On the flip side Ford raised their prices on F150 Lightning models by about 10% not long ago. Do you think they will drop prices too?

 

[OntheBanks]

I would support a flat tax if it exempted the first $50,000 of income from tax and the flat rate took into consideration the social security tax as a portion of the flat tax rate

I would support a flat tax if there were no exemptions and Social Security be replaced with a manditory 401k.

 

[mildone]

In race to electrify, Uber wants EVs that sacrifice top speeds, wheels

The clock is ticking for Uber to electrify its fleet, and the rideshare company wants automakers to help by designing cheaper electric vehicles for its drivers. Lawmakers are setting deadlines for rideshare companies to ditch fossil fuels (California's Air Resources Board among them), and Uber...

www.yahoo.com

100% agree with this. I get performance sells but EV should be more about practicality. I would trade 0-60 time for more range.

As would I. Of course, we get to make that choice when we drive an EV. Step light on the go pedal and we can go farther before a recharge than if we’re lead-footed.

But that does nothing to improve the max range. So if the automotive manufacturer has a choice between adding more torque or adding more range, I’d opt for range every time, and twice on Sundays.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

It’s easy to show growth when you are a low production company. It’s harder to keep that rate of growth when you start producing meaningful numbers. Tesla already missed the 50% YOY growth rate already and they are only at 1.3mm units. To put that in perspective, Toyota sold 1.1mm Corollas annually

There's been a few minor things in the news lately that you might have missed:
We're entering a global recession.
Shanghai factory had been shut down for over a month due to the zero covid policy
Interest rates on car loans have increased significantly

Despite those little details, Tesla still managed 40% yoy growth, while the rest of the car market continues their 5 year slide. BTW, Tesla's guidance has always been 50% average annual growth. How do you think Tesla will do in 2023? I'm thinking around 2 million units.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

It’s call dynamic pricing. You charge more when demand goes up and lowers them when demand goes down. Instead of dealerships doing it, Tesla does it company wide.

ETA this is the 1st time demand went down so the price cuts is catching all the Tesla fan club off guard. Plus a lot of people were flipping them for profit.

This isn't the first time Tesla has lowered prices. We tend to forget this given how sharply prices have risen over the past 2 years. The recent price cuts are a return to normalization.

 

[jtung230]

On the flip side Ford raised their prices on F150 Lightning models by about 10% not long ago. Do you think they will drop prices too?

If demand falls, dealers will cut prices. You know, just like pre-COVID car purchase process.

 

[jtung230]

This isn't the first time Tesla has lowered prices. We tend to forget this given how sharply prices have risen over the past 2 years. The recent price cuts are a return to normalization.

I think it’s the size of reductions that’s creating the buzz. I think Tesla should hit 2mm this year with the EV tax credit and the price cut. The only variable is how many people were buying Teslas to flip.

 

[T2Kplus20]

On the flip side Ford raised their prices on F150 Lightning models by about 10% not long ago. Do you think they will drop prices too?

They can't unless they want to lose money on every Lightning sold.

 

[RU4Real]

They can't unless they want to lose money on every Lightning sold.

A clearer picture of your lack of understanding of the economics of car manufacturing couldn't be had on a billboard. Evergreen post.