That’s the idea!
I’ve also never driven more than 300 miles at a clip. I fly for anything more than a 3hr drive.
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I’ve also never driven more than 300 miles at a clip. I fly for anything more than a 3hr drive.
Maybe this guy should rethink where he's sending his daughter to college. Want to save money. Have her go to UAlbany where he lives and not spend money for a private school.
Good stuff. Takes 10-15 minutes to retrofit an existing Supercharger w the magic dock. Would like to know much non Teslas are being charged/kW.
Seriously. Gettsyburg is a fine and pretty college, but he would be better off sending her to a local SUNY school (he is a SUNY Oswego grad).
Also, I call BS on this statement in his assessment: "There isn't a good software tool that helps EV owners plan their trips."
For an automobile guy with a YouTube channel, he failed to do his research. See this thread on how to plan a trip from NJ to Florida in an EV:
1870 miles round trip Rumson, NJ to Amelia Island, FL
My Lightning is a Lariat with extended range battery, max tow and tow tech. The 1870 was just the ride between the two locations not counting driving around down in FL on the Island which added up to another 250 or so miles for the week. I left on Friday August 19th stopped for the night in...
www.f150lightningforum.com
Seriously, complete BS.Seriously. Gettsyburg is a fine and pretty college, but he would be better off sending her to a local SUNY school (he is a SUNY Oswego grad).
Also, I call BS on this statement in his assessment: "There isn't a good software tool that helps EV owners plan their trips."
For an automobile guy with a YouTube channel, he failed to do his research. See this thread on how to plan a trip from NJ to Florida in an EV:
1870 miles round trip Rumson, NJ to Amelia Island, FL
My Lightning is a Lariat with extended range battery, max tow and tow tech. The 1870 was just the ride between the two locations not counting driving around down in FL on the Island which added up to another 250 or so miles for the week. I left on Friday August 19th stopped for the night in...
In literally 1 minute, anyone can plan an EV road trip using:
https://abetterrouteplanner.com/
I'm sure there are other apps that do the same. Tesla's navigation takes care of this automatically. So sick and tired of this "can't find a charger" nonsense.
Only long drive I’ve had since having an ev was to Columbus. It took 3 minutes using a similar site to decide if I wanted to take my car versus my wife’s based on estimated battery usage, charge time, etc. I can understand people not wanting to buy an ev for whatever reason, but once you do you have to really try to make charging difficult
The removal of AM radio in electric vehicles is a growing concern, especially when it comes to providing crucial information in emergency situaitons. As a result, a group of former FEMA Federal Emergency Management Agency officials wrote to Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg pushing to keep AM in vehicles.
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Former FEMA Director Michael Brown on keeping AM Radio in new vehicles | KOA 850 AM & 94.1 FM | Colorado's Morning News with Marty Lenz & Jeana Gondek
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Ram REV reservations "sold out"
No reservations #s disclosed
No vehicle specs
Smells like a compliance car
Stellantis is not serious about EVs.
https://insideevs.com/news/653239/ram-1500-rev-sold-out/
No reservations #s disclosed
No vehicle specs
Smells like a compliance car
Stellantis is not serious about EVs.
https://insideevs.com/news/653239/ram-1500-rev-sold-out/
Toyota awakens from their slumber. They're only now benchmarking a Model Y and realizing you can't make an EV on an ICE platform?
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...-executives-triggers-wakeup-call-211116.html#
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...-executives-triggers-wakeup-call-211116.html#
My parents did the NJ to FL (and vice versa) trip nonstop a lot when I was little, to visit family there. I think the longest nonstop trip I've done alone was between NJ and TX, although I've done some others that were close.Really? Damn.
I've driven to FL - nonstop - multiple times.
By nonstop, I mean, no sleep stops, just quick bio breaks or gas stops or to-go food pickups.
The Toyota article is an amazing read. It took six years to get around to taking a look at the competition. Now that is arrogance at its most dangerous. The timelines Toyota has now set are even more concerning.
And to all those who keep parroting “the competition is coming” more proof they are totally wrong. Tesla is at least five years ahead.
And to all those who keep parroting “the competition is coming” more proof they are totally wrong. Tesla is at least five years ahead.
During the summer, I'll often head out at the crack of dawn (or even before dawn's crack) on a Saturday mornings and drive up into rural PA or NYS and drive more than 300 miles because we love driving. There are some incredibly fun driving roads, many of them largely deserted, to our northwest (our being those of us in NJ). I'd cover that 300+ miles in a fairly short amount of time (the exact duration withheld at the advice of my attorney).
I think that illustrates the difference between car drivers and car owners. Some folks buy cars to get from point A to B (this is most people, right?). Some buy as collectors or for status.
And then some folks, like me, buy cars to drive the wheels off them for the sheer unadulterated joy of driving. No destination necessary - the drive IS the destination.
Right now, EVs are not ideal for that last group, but that will change as public charging infrastructure expands and ranges increase. Just a matter of time.
They're installing a dozen Tesla chargers near me. How do you tell if they have the Magic Dock?
What are Tesla owners being charged per kWh to charge their vehicles?
Quite frankly, I'll probably never use any chargers since I charge at home overnight.
Brown is a typical partisan tool. Sounds like a real winner. Tell the old man to go yell at a clould. AM radio is going away, and numerous AM stations are now simulcast on FM radio. And there are these things called mobile phones that broadcast emergency alerts, you know. He has a questionable record on handling "emergency situations."The removal of AM radio in electric vehicles is a growing concern, especially when it comes to providing crucial information in emergency situaitons. As a result, a group of former FEMA Federal Emergency Management Agency officials wrote to Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg pushing to keep AM in vehicles.
Former FEMA Director Michael Brown on keeping AM Radio in new vehicles | KOA 850 AM & 94.1 FM | Colorado's Morning News with Marty Lenz & Jeana Gondek
Colorado's Morning News - Listen weekdays from 5am-9am
Guess those AM radios were not much use in his coordinating the Katrina response?
From Wikipedia:
"His White House biography stated that he had emergency services oversight in this position.However, the head of public relations for the city was quoted as denying that Brown had oversight over anybody and that "the assistant is more like an intern." "Claudia Deakins, the spokesperson for the City of Edmond, submitted information to the House Committee investigating Hurricane Katrina that Time Magazine, which described his resume as "padded," had taken her quotes out of context, and erroneously reported Brown's position at the City of Edmond."
"During the Hurricane Katrina controversy, Stephen Jones, the senior partner and founder of the firm for which Brown worked, described him as "not serious and somewhat shallow"
On September 12, 2005, in the wake of what was widely believed to be incompetent handling of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina by state, local and federal officials, Brown resigned, saying that it was "in the best interest of the agency and best interest of the president."
If you're at a supercharger, you'll see a signpost with QR code for non teslas to scan, plus you'll see the large, black port on the charger. That is the magic dock retrofit.
If you're not physically near a supercharger, download the Tesla app, select "charge a non Tesla" The app will then give the location of chargers available near you.
There is a monthly subscription service for non-Tesla owners as well.
My last supercharger cost $.36/kW. That was in Massachusetts, so on the high side. Rates vary by location. Some vary by time of day as well.
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We're going on 11 years of "The competition is coming" and "The next Tesla killer". Tesla isn't sitting idle waiting to be caught either. You don't catch Usain Bolt by spotting him a 10 m head start.
Hard pass. Usurious.
If you're at a supercharger, you'll see a signpost with QR code for non teslas to scan, plus you'll see the large, black port on the charger. That is the magic dock retrofit.
If you're not physically near a supercharger, download the Tesla app, select "charge a non Tesla" The app will then give the location of chargers available near you.
There is a monthly subscription service for non-Tesla owners as well.
My last supercharger cost $.36/kW. That was in Massachusetts, so on the high side. Rates vary by location. Some vary by time of day as well.
You got it right, and it is what I do: "$13/month plus $0.52 is going to be expensive if that is your only option, I image there will always be space available if you want to pay the price."
Love the F150 as a daily driver. Don't do many road trips, and likely would not take a pickup truck anyway.
Tesla Supercharger Membership Launched @ $12.99 / month. First video of Lightning charging at Supercharger CCS Magic Dock
Updated with F-150 Lightning charging successfully at Tesla Supercharger w/ CCS plug. Was browsing through my App to see if any new CCS SC stations had opened up. I went all the way up to Scott Valley where the only known California Tesla CCS is available. This is what popped up:
www.f150lightningforum.com
The gas and oil industry continues to throw shit against well on EVs, hoping something will eventually stick.
$.52 / kW is without the membership if I'm reading that correctly. Looks like a $.10 discount/kW with membership. And again, rates will vary depending on the location.Hard pass. Usurious.
You got it right, and it is what I do: "$13/month plus $0.52 is going to be expensive if that is your only option, I image there will always be space available if you want to pay the price."
Love the F150 as a daily driver. Don't do many road trips, and likely would not take a pickup truck anyway.
Tesla Supercharger Membership Launched @ $12.99 / month. First video of Lightning charging at Supercharger CCS Magic Dock
Updated with F-150 Lightning charging successfully at Tesla Supercharger w/ CCS plug. Was browsing through my App to see if any new CCS SC stations had opened up. I went all the way up to Scott Valley where the only known California Tesla CCS is available. This is what popped up:
Comparing vs other charging options, Tesla's rates are competitive and still cheaper than petrol
Yeah, that was not a dig at Tesla. All of the charging rates at charging stations are high, IMO.
From a California F150 Lightning Forum poster :
"Since I normally charge at EVGo at $0.59 + $0.99 session - Tesla SC without the membership is still very competitive.
I don't like EA since it's always crowded with VW, BMW, Hyundai, Kia and others getting their free charges.."
As to your point on Petrol?:
"My 2021 Lariat 2.7, crew cab 4x4 and 502A package could get 22 mpg on the expressway at the same speed my Lariat Lightning gets 2 miles per kWh. Gas by me is 2.91 a gallon. So...
2.91 ÷ 22 = 13.22 cents a mile
0.52 ÷ 2 = 26 cents a mile"
So, it is more expensive, and that is a low MPG pickup truck.
Wait...
Are you saying it costs *MORE* to operate an EV than an ICE?
I'm confused, to be honest.
Not if you mostly charge at home. TBH, not sure where the rates will be in years at the public charging stations. The costs of operation are much lower charging at home.
Is gas 2.91 by you and do you only drive hwy? It can be cheaper but it’s not.
Gas Buddy says $3.07/gallon. These arguments frequently come up when gas prices are at their lowest. All indicators are that gas prices are going to increase starting soon.
Correct. Using a low gas price and a high public charging price you can fudge the #s.
My home charging is $.16/kW
Supercharger costs in NJ are in the $.25-.30/ kW range (for tesla owners)
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We're Testing a Hyundai Ioniq 5 For a Year and Things Might Go Very Badly
Not because of the car, though—we want to prove home charging isn’t necessary to own an EV. How long until that backfires?
I would imagine that in California (he said he was near Santa Monica), that will work out OK for him. In Central NJ, that would be tragic. There is only one decent place to charge, the outlet malls off of Parkway Exit 100, and IIRC, that is for Tesla only.We're Testing a Hyundai Ioniq 5 For a Year and Things Might Go Very Badly
Not because of the car, though—we want to prove home charging isn’t necessary to own an EV. How long until that backfires?www.motortrend.com
Around me, there's Tesla chargers at Panera, a couple of chargers at a Best Buy, at some car dealerships, turnpike/parkway rest areas, and at menlo park mall. it's not a lot.
This is why I keep harping on why I think all government incentives should focus on charging infrastructure. There are tons of people out there whose living situation doesn't support charging at home.
All the states attempting to force the issue on EV adoption by banning sales of gas cars are going to run into a massive roadblock (pun intended) when it comes to all those people, unless they get way out ahead of the game and make it easier for people to charge away from home.
I get that EV evangelists like to wave their arms and claim it's no big deal - but they all charge at home so it's easy for them to say.
Incidentally, on the other subject you mentioned earlier, cost to "fuel" ICEVs and EVs, people should be aware that pricing today and pricing after EV adoption reaches like 50% or more, is likely to be different. As demand for gas goes down, prices probably will too. As demand for electricity goes up, at least at public charging stations, prices are likely to go up.
I don't care about gas or electricity prices much, so that won't influence or affect my decisions w/car purchases. But most people seem to care a lot about that sort of stuff.
Not saying people shouldn't get EVs (I'll surely be accused of that, once again). I am saying people should go into this transitionary period with their eyes open, ignoring both the haters and the evangelists alike.
If I did not have the option to install the charger at home and charge at home, the EV would have absolutely been a no go. While Belly disagrees (somewhat vehemently), when PROPERLY USED, PHEVs are a nice bridge until fast charging stations become as ubiquitous as gas stations. Not directed at Belly, but there are too many high income people who can a) afford a high priced EV b) live in a single family home c) can afford to install the charger that pontificate about how things should be with EVs.
Don't know what the statistics are of the number people who live in condos/townhomes without a garage or a parking spot close to the home or apartments vs. the number of people can set up a home charging station, but just guessing that it is over 50% of people who do not have a feasible charge at home option. We have a long way to go until the charging network and grids are installed to support widespread EV adoption.
Saw Ram/Stellantis confirm the 1500 REV is going to have an ICE range extender option. Always liked the idea of having multiple powertrain options to match the diversity of the country's driving needs.
I think I posted a link above to an EV fire engine being provided by Pierce to the city of Redmond, WA, and the EV fire engine will have a diesel backup system. Maybe I never posted the link. I can't remember.
For what car manufacturers charge for large pickup trucks, they should be putting multiple powertrains in every one.
Which means they'll be manufactured on an ICE line rather than a ground up/blank slate EV line. I know how this is going to end.
