OT: Electric vehicles

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Latest Cybertruck rendition spotted at Fremont test track. Fast forward to 4:45:


Likes: Black bed vs original stainless steel
New tires/rims
Slightly new body?

Dislikes: WTF is with the giant single wiper blade? When asked on Twitter about it, Elon replied "there is no easy solution". Tesla did file a patent to use lasers as windshield wipers. We'll have to see..

Tesla obtains patent on its wild idea to use lasers as windshield wipers

Tesla has actually managed to obtain a patent on its wild idea to use lasers to clean debris off of...

electrek.co

 

[RUevolution36]

Latest Cybertruck rendition spotted at Fremont test track. Fast forward to 4:45:

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Likes: Black bed vs original stainless steel
New tires/rims
Slightly new body?

Dislikes: WTF is with the giant single wiper blade? When asked on Twitter about it, Elon replied "there is no easy solution". Tesla did file a patent to use lasers as windshield wipers. We'll have to see..

Tesla obtains patent on its wild idea to use lasers as windshield wipers

Tesla has actually managed to obtain a patent on its wild idea to use lasers to clean debris off of...

electrek.co

It's still hideous. And yes, the single wiper blade seems asinine.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

It's still hideous. And yes, the single wiper blade seems asinine.

To each their own. Cybertruck will be huge hit. Book it.

 

[letitrip2]

Really? So you, the esteemed, undoubtedly award-winning paleogeologist, don't know how historic temperatures are determined?

I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.

You're embarrassing yourself.

If you really believe that climate science can accurately determine world wide temperatures by one half of a degree ( +/- .5 C) over a period of 2000 years as your little chart shows then it is you who are embarrassing yourself. It is sheep science followers like you that force me to drink my soda through a disintegrating paper straw because after all those plastic straws were killing the turtles.

 

[RUevolution36]

To each their own. Cybertruck will be huge hit. Book it.

I'm sure it will be. Doesn't change my opinion of it. Money can't buy class.

 

[mildone]

It's still hideous. And yes, the single wiper blade seems asinine.

It will top this list of ugly cars, IMO.

Ugly Cars: The All-Time Definitive List of Eye-Busting Design

For your reading displeasure, MotorTrend has grouped the worst-looking, most-regrettable, downright homeliest car designs ever produced. Apologies in advance for these ugly cars.

www.motortrend.com

OTOH, I'm not going to judge the single wiper thing until it reaches production and gets reviewed. I keep thinking automakers will figure out a better system to keep rain/snow off our windshields. But they keep not doing so. Maybe Tesla's figured something out.

 

[mdk01]

I work for GM. While GM does make their political activity public, maybe more so than other manufacturers, what do you know that backs up your statement?

The best political break GM ever got was the retention of tax attributes in the 2008-9 bankruptcy bailout and they didn't have to lift a finger. UAW said leave it to us.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

I'm sure it will be. Doesn't change my opinion of it. Money can't buy class.

I don't think Tesla is going after the "class" demographic. Think more "armored personal carrier from a sci-fi movie" demographic. Big time pop culture cachet.

 

[LBusDoor90]

I don't think Tesla is going after the "class" demographic. Think more "armored personal carrier from a sci-fi movie" demographic. Big time pop culture cachet.

It's right out of the hugely popular game to Millennials, Halo. The traditional buyers of F-150s et al from the Boomer and GenX crowd were not considered. They were understandably deemed too loyal to their existing makers and models.
I've taught Millennials and GenZers for a combined 31 years now in a Jersey suburb and as I've kept in touch with many, their interest in the CT (and Teslas in general) is huge.

 

[Bleem Phuppert]

If you really believe that climate science can accurately determine world wide temperatures by one half of a degree ( +/- .5 C) over a period of 2000 years as your little chart shows then it is you who are embarrassing yourself. It is sheep science followers like you that force me to drink my soda through a disintegrating paper straw because after all those plastic straws were killing the turtles.

You're kind of a classic idiot, aren't you? You don't understand how things work, so you just deny their existence or validity.

There are several ways of determining historical temperatures. When you use multiple techniques you can triangulate your way into a highly accurate representation. You should spend some time learning stuff - you might be surprised how enjoyable it is to not be stupid.

Or not. You be you, as the kids like to say. We'll all just be happy that we're not you.

 

[letitrip2]

You're kind of a classic idiot, aren't you? You don't understand how things work, so you just deny their existence or validity.

There are several ways of determining historical temperatures. When you use multiple techniques you can triangulate your way into a highly accurate representation. You should spend some time learning stuff - you might be surprised how enjoyable it is to not be stupid.

Or not. You be you, as the kids like to say. We'll all just be happy that we're not you.

Such a typical response. Like a religion - "your" position on climate change is the only possibility. So you can't tolerate anyone who sees things slightly different and as expected resort to name calling. I am done arguing with a completely close minded person who really believes they are open minded and enlightened.

 

[RUevolution36]

Such a typical response. Like a religion - "your" position on climate change is the only possibility. So you can't tolerate anyone who sees things slightly different and as expected resort to name calling. I am done arguing with a completely close minded person who really believes they are open minded and enlightened.

"Open minded" about scientific consensus? So a pontificating layman's opinion is now of equal value to an entire community of people who dedicate their entire careers and lives to the study of a subject? You think too highly of yourself.

 

[RUPsyched]

The best political break GM ever got was the retention of tax attributes in the 2008-9 bankruptcy bailout and they didn't have to lift a finger. UAW said leave it to us.

Gov forced GM to reinvent itself. No executives associated with the bankruptcy made it through it. Although no doubt they left with bags of our tax and shareholder dollars. One of the perks of being a big corporate executive. That's just the way the world revolves.

Anyway, while I am not so naive to think there is no monkey business, the company operates better now than before the bankruptcy.

 

[mdk01]

Gov forced GM to reinvent itself. No executives associated with the bankruptcy made it through it. Although no doubt they left with bags of our tax and shareholder dollars. One of the perks of being a big corporate executive. That's just the way the world revolves.

Anyway, while I am not so naive to think there is no monkey business, the company operates better now than before the bankruptcy.

I was referring to the multibillion dollar net operating loss carryforward the company was allowed to retain which is normally forfeited as part of the bankruptcy process.

 

[Knight Shift]

 

[mildone]

Such a typical response. Like a religion - "your" position on climate change is the only possibility. So you can't tolerate anyone who sees things slightly different and as expected resort to name calling. I am done arguing with a completely close minded person who really believes they are open minded and enlightened.

You're making a puerile argument. At this stage, what you're doing is very nearly the same as telling us that, because we accept that 2 + 2 = 4, we're being close-minded.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Ford Maverick hybrids started being delivered to customers this week.

 

[Bleem Phuppert]

Such a typical response. Like a religion - "your" position on climate change is the only possibility. So you can't tolerate anyone who sees things slightly different and as expected resort to name calling. I am done arguing with a completely close minded person who really believes they are open minded and enlightened.

You're boring everyone.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

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Anyone following the FSD Beta progress knows the system isn't ready for prime time yet. It is also evident that the system is steadily improving with each update (~every 2 weeks).
Taylor Ogan's investment firm has a huge position in BYD, so there's motivation to make Tesla look bad
There's plenty of vids of FSD Beta performing flawlessly too.

2 of Taylor's claims are bs. The Tesla was indeed yielding for the pedestrian. "Could not take control" is bs too. The blue steering wheel icon disappeared when the warning came on the screen, which means the system is disengaged and the driver has control.

 

[RUevolution36]

Anyone following the FSD Beta progress knows the system isn't ready for prime time yet. It is also evident that the system is steadily improving with each update (~every 2 weeks).
Taylor Ogan's investment firm has a huge position in BYD, so there's motivation to make Tesla look bad
There's plenty of vids of FSD Beta performing flawlessly too.

2 of Taylor's claims are bs. The Tesla was indeed yielding for the pedestrian. "Could not take control" is bs too. The blue steering wheel icon disappeared when the warning came on the screen, which means the system is disengaged and the driver has control.

But why is Tesla allowed to do testing with untrained testers on public roads? Calling it a beta but releasing it into production in the public domain is irresponsible.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

But why is Tesla allowed to do testing with untrained testers on public roads? Calling it a beta but releasing it into production in the public domain is irresponsible.

Yeah, I heard you the first 10 times. Here's my response which I've also said 10 times. I don't think we'll change each other's mind

Autonomous vehicles will save countless lives. An enormous amount of data is needed for neural net training. Tesla's approach is the only way expedite this process. Tesla hand picks beta testers based on their safe driving record and driver safety score. 14 months of beta testing has resulted in zero serious injuries or fatalities. Any regulatory effort to retard Tesla's approach will cost people their lives.

We've become accustomed and desensitized to people dying on our roads. It doesn't have to be this way.

 

[Bleem Phuppert]

1) Autonomous vehicles will save countless lives. 2) An enormous amount of data is needed for neural net training. Tesla's approach is the only way expedite this process.

Here's where you go wrong in your approach (not presuming that you care).

1) is hyperbole and absurd. It makes people like me (and I suspect @mildone and others who have similar wiring) immediately shut down and ignore the rest of what you're saying.

2) is entirely parochial and not consistent with overall understanding of how these things ultimately work. You're presupposing some great, big, neural net in the sky that Tesla can leverage for its customers and assuming no other inputs to the system (and no standardization), thus lending an advantage to your brand.

In point of fact, as we've discussed here, repeatedly, when full autonomy rolls out that's not how it's going to work. Cars will provide input data, yes. But they will also provide data to each other (V2V) and communicate with an active roadway infrastructure which will provide condition-related updates in real time (V2I). What it won't be is a bunch of Teslas driving around, linked solely to the Great Tesla Cloud, to the exclusion of all else. There will be standards - in fact, there already are. And once they're fully adopted at the federal level and begin to roll out, everyone - even Tesla - will comply.

 

[lne001]

You're presupposing some great, big, neural net in the sky that Tesla can leverage for its customers and assuming no other inputs to the system (and no standardization), thus lending an advantage to your brand.

This is exactly what Tesla is attempting to develop right now. How successful they will be remains to be seen but I would not bet against them. It's funny that you use the phrase 'neural net in the sky' because...

But they will also provide data to each other (V2V) and communicate with an active roadway infrastructure which will provide condition-related updates in real time (V2I). What it won't be is a bunch of Teslas driving around, linked solely to the Great Tesla Cloud, to the exclusion of all else.

Sounds like you foresee the need for 100% high bandwidth low latency world-wide coverage in the future. If only someone was actively providing that today. 😉

 

[Bleem Phuppert]

This is exactly what Tesla is attempting to develop right now. How successful they will be remains to be seen but I would not bet against them. It's funny that you use the phrase 'neural net in the sky' because...


Sounds like you foresee the need for 100% high bandwidth low latency world-wide coverage in the future. If only someone was actively providing that today. 😉

The plan is to leverage 5G+ in the U.S.

 

[lne001]

The plan is to leverage 5G+ in the U.S.

That's may be fine as long as you always have coverage. By the way, whose plan are you referencing?

 

[RUevolution36]

Yeah, I heard you the first 10 times. Here's my response which I've also said 10 times. I don't think we'll change each other's mind

Autonomous vehicles will save countless lives. An enormous amount of data is needed for neural net training. Tesla's approach is the only way expedite this process. Tesla hand picks beta testers based on their safe driving record and driver safety score. 14 months of beta testing has resulted in zero serious injuries or fatalities. Any regulatory effort to retard Tesla's approach will cost people their lives.

We've become accustomed and desensitized to people dying on our roads. It doesn't have to be this way.

You still haven't answered why this is ethically sound and not potentially illegal. "For the greater good" has been used to justify a lot of horrifying things... being dismissive about the ethics and legality is just you being blinded by your love of Tesla.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Here's where you go wrong in your approach (not presuming that you care).

1) is hyperbole and absurd. It makes people like me (and I suspect @mildone and others who have similar wiring) immediately shut down and ignore the rest of what you're saying.

2) is entirely parochial and not consistent with overall understanding of how these things ultimately work. You're presupposing some great, big, neural net in the sky that Tesla can leverage for its customers and assuming no other inputs to the system (and no standardization), thus lending an advantage to your brand.

In point of fact, as we've discussed here, repeatedly, when full autonomy rolls out that's not how it's going to work. Cars will provide input data, yes. But they will also provide data to each other (V2V) and communicate with an active roadway infrastructure which will provide condition-related updates in real time (V2I). What it won't be is a bunch of Teslas driving around, linked solely to the Great Tesla Cloud, to the exclusion of all else. There will be standards - in fact, there already are. And once they're fully adopted at the federal level and begin to roll out, everyone - even Tesla - will comply.

How about you get up to date as to what's currently going on and lose the tunnel vision of v2v.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

You still haven't answered why this is ethically sound and not potentially illegal. "For the greater good" has been used to justify a lot of horrifying things... being dismissive about the ethics and legality is just you being blinded by your love of Tesla.

Wow. Illegal? Please provide evidence that fsd beta is a hazard to the general public. I hope you realize that once laws are implemented, they tend to be forever. What's next, thought crime?

 

[RUevolution36]

Wow. Illegal? Please provide evidence that fsd beta is a hazard to the general public. I hope you realize that once laws are implemented, they tend to be forever. What's next, thought crime?

U.S. regulator reviewing Tesla owner complaint on self-driving test software

The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) said it is looking into a consumer report that a Tesla Model Y was involved in an accident while using the company's Full Self-Driving (FSD) Beta software.

www.reuters.com

I said potentially illegal. The NHTSA will decide that, hopefully soon. Jumping to defend your beloved Tesla again, as usual. Your shtick is very tired.

 

[RU-05]

To each their own. Cybertruck will be huge hit. Book it.

I'm thinking it fills a very niche market.

Similar to the EV Hummer.

The EV F-150 will likely be the dominant EV pickup in terms of #'s sold.

 

[Bleem Phuppert]

That's may be fine as long as you always have coverage. By the way, whose plan are you referencing?

U.S. DOT / Federal Highway Administration and the roughly dozen or so private industries that comprise the "usual suspects" when it comes to making policy related to infrastructure design/build.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Cue the TSLA haters. LOL!

Elon Musk Is TIME's 2021 Person of the Year

Visionary. Showman. Iconoclast. Troll. How Elon Musk is reshaping our world—and beyond

time.com

 

[RUAldo]

Cue the TSLA haters. LOL!

Elon Musk Is TIME's 2021 Person of the Year

Visionary. Showman. Iconoclast. Troll. How Elon Musk is reshaping our world—and beyond

time.com

Yeah, so was Rudolph Guiliani, Putin, Trump, Zuckerberg…

 

[T2Kplus20]

Yeah, so was Rudolph Guiliani, Putin, Trump, Zuckerberg…

All likely great choices, depending on the year.

 

[mildone]

Does he get money for that cover selection? 🙂

Funny thing is, outside this thread, I never give the guy any thought at all.

I know the whole Person of the Year thing isn't about good or bad and all, but I'd rather see it go to whomever was in charge of whichever COVID vaccine is saving the most lives, or to all the front-line medical workers battling to keep COVID patients alive in the emergency rooms and ICUS out there. Something a bit more humanitarian like that.

OTOH, with the whole space exploration thing ultimately being mankind's only hope for long term survival, Musk, along with the other space exploration CEOs, should get a lot of credit for their efforts. And solving power issues is probably going to be a big factor in space exploration, along with a host of other thorny problems.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Such a typical response. Like a religion - "your" position on climate change is the only possibility. So you can't tolerate anyone who sees things slightly different and as expected resort to name calling. I am done arguing with a completely close minded person who really believes they are open minded and enlightened.

Science denier accusing others of being closed-minded.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Ford CEO:

 

[RUAldo]

Toyota to invest $35 billion into battery-powered EVs and roll out 30 models by 2030

Toyota will increase investments into battery technologies by 500 billion yen ($4.4 billion) to 2 trillion yen.

www.cnbc.com

 

[T2Kplus20]

Toyota to invest $35 billion into battery-powered EVs and roll out 30 models by 2030

Toyota will increase investments into battery technologies by 500 billion yen ($4.4 billion) to 2 trillion yen.

www.cnbc.com

Stories and plans are cute. Everyone has one. Wake me up when another company sells a million EVs over 12 months at a profit.

 

[RUAldo]

Stories and plans are cute. Everyone has one. Wake me up when another company sells a million EVs over 12 months at a profit.

Yeah, you’re right. What would Toyota know about selling cars? They only sold almost 10M cars in 2020 and basically pioneered hybrid tech. I’m sure they’ll disappear in 10 years along with Ford, GM, Nissan, etc. because nobody other than Elon in the entire world can figure out how to make/sell EVs.