He was released because the Syg law prohibits him from being arrested or charged unless and until the state has probable cause that the force was NOT in self defense.
OT: Former Jet RB Joe McKnight murdered in road rage incident
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He was released because the Syg law prohibits him from being arrested or charged unless and until the state has probable cause that the force was NOT in self defense.
If Bob Marley is a senior citizen and the sheriff stands 6'5" @ 265 lbs., a fistfight could have lethal consequences for old Bob.
That is the single point that has been missed. When he was released, the statement did say it is still being investigated to see if would go to the grand jury and have charges. I guess they figure he isn't a menace to sociaty so he gets released until then. He has not been found innocent yet or justified.
This may just be a very public case of the difference each state is.
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I don't think the shooter was the smaller person. Question, if u r in your car any someone without a weapon is ourside, why would u have to shoit that person three times. What danger are you in sitting in your car???
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This is the key question at this point. Apparently what Gasser said to the Police indicated that they didn't feel they can charge him at this point.
It would be nice if some truthful witnesses came forward instead of the lying dogs that have already reported in.
We don't know yet what, if anything, McKnight was armed with. Again, it's important to wait until the facts come out, not speculate on the basis of discredited statements (like the "he stood over him" statement).
Armed with?
I'm almost certain the police reported no other gun was found at the scene.
The lack of brandishing a weapon does not by any means negate the reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury. I think most nfl players can seriously injure us without having a weapon. the presence of a weapon is not, per se, a factor under common law self defense.
McKnight was at most 5' 11" 200 lbs. We aren't talking about some oversized lineman. He was a rather normal sized individual.
Have any details emerged as to which car belonged to whom?
By the photos I have seen of the crime scene there is a blue coupe in the inside lane and a silver/gray SUV in the outside lane. The body of McKnight seems to have been behind the space in between both cars.
Jeffrey Dahmer spoke to the police after a naked young man came running out of his home screaming, the police was satisfied with Dahmer answers, the police didn't get to see the young man and Dahmer continued his killings.
This is what goes through my head in this case. Let's forget black/white or NFL player.
I need to hear facts about what happened once both cars were stopped. From that point, is McKnight rushing out of his car threatening the other driver and the other driver either, was boxed in or car so damaged he couldn't drive it...it also looks like McKnight was shot behind both vehicles. Was he getting out apologizing or rushing the car? Why 3 shots?
All of these things run through my mind regardless if I picture myself as McKnight or Gasser.
I need to hear facts about what happened once both cars were stopped. From that point, is McKnight rushing out of his car threatening the other driver and the other driver either, was boxed in or car so damaged he couldn't drive it...it also looks like McKnight was shot behind both vehicles. Was he getting out apologizing or rushing the car? Why 3 shots?
All of these things run through my mind regardless if I picture myself as McKnight or Gasser.
One or two shots might not have the intended effect for saving your life. This article explains the reasoning:https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2011/11/10/failure-drill/
Cause if you shoot him once, you shoot him till his dead as a door nail.
Otherwise, don't carry a gun for protection.
Why people fail to comprehend this simple truth of deciding to use a firearm for protection, boggles my mind.
Sounds like the police investigation has been completed. Let the chips fall where they belong.
Sounds right to me. A heated confrontation with another motorist does not justify the use of deadly force.
This is what I suggested above; that an "imperfect" claim of self-defense often results in a manslaughter charge. Manslaughter is charged when a reasonable person would have had thoughts of killing. There are many cases, for instance, of a man finding his wife with a lover; the man kills the lover or the wife or both; the charge is manslaughter, not murder. The difference between manslaughter and murder -- aside from the practical one that the sentence is usually substantially shorter for manslaughter -- is that murder is killing "with malice aforethought" and manslaughter is not.
Perhaps but in situations like this I think the most prudent thing to do is charge him and let a jury resolve it.
Good joke, but no. But there are *many* manslaughter cases in Texas arising out of that set of facts.
Evidently the prosecutor will pursue this; you can bet your bottom dollar that the prosecutor's office participated in the decision to charge with manslaughter.
Here's the New York Times story on the sheriff's press conference today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/06/u...column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/06/u...column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Ah, blaming the victim; always a sound strategy -p- Yes, McKnight should not have gotten out of his car. But he had no reason to expect he was encountering someone with a history of road rage who had a gun.
TJ Quinn of ESPN just did a video report on this.
Apparently the NO PD played this one well, in spite of the constant criticism from the lib community to receive their version of immediate justice to meet their needs based on false eyewitness accounts.
Quinn reported that Gasser spoke to the NO PD for ten hours following the incident without having requested an attorney to be present. As a result of that testimony Gasser was charged with today's charges.
So, while the Police were building an effective case to arrest Gasser for manslaughter, the libs were accusing the NO PD of giving preferential treatment to the shooter because he is a white man who shot an unarmed black man.
And so it goes. And it may never end.
Apparently the NO PD played this one well, in spite of the constant criticism from the lib community to receive their version of immediate justice to meet their needs based on false eyewitness accounts.
Quinn reported that Gasser spoke to the NO PD for ten hours following the incident without having requested an attorney to be present. As a result of that testimony Gasser was charged with today's charges.
So, while the Police were building an effective case to arrest Gasser for manslaughter, the libs were accusing the NO PD of giving preferential treatment to the shooter because he is a white man who shot an unarmed black man.
And so it goes. And it may never end.
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We cannot control or predict the actions of others. The lesson here is you never know what someone else may be capable of doing to you. Particularly someone who is road raging. McKnight learned that when he was apologizing and begging for his life. He used incredibly poor instincts, I wonder if it was the first time he ever tired to threaten to beat someone up in traffic. I hope at least people learn from it.
I'd be interested in a link to a site that says McKnight "was apologizing and begging for his life or "tried to threaten to beat someone up in traffic," In any case, he's not the killer. He was at fault, but that doesn't excuse his killer, assuming the police's story is accurate.
The article seems to indicate that Glasser shot McKnight three times through his own cars closed window. No mention of apologizing and begging for his life. He never had time to do that. Should McKnight not have got out of his car? Yes. Did he deserve to die? No.
But don't let that get in the way of your blaming the victim Mr. Moderator.
But don't let that get in the way of your blaming the victim Mr. Moderator.
I am sad that McKnight lost his life but I am glad that two outrageous road ragers are off the street.
Damn right I'm assigning some blame to McKnight for contributing to creating an extremely dangerous situation Mr. Free Membership.
Wtf is this with always having to say anyone is liberal or conservative. I know a hell of a lot of gun carrying conservatives that were highly confused by their laws down there. Not a single one I spoke to would have shot a person under these circumstances and if they did, they would fully expect to be arrested.
It is one thing to pull your gun and expect the unarmed man to retreat. At that point, if he doesn't retreat and continues at you, then shoot. If he retreats, the gun did what you hoped it would.
That is not a liberal view, just a bit of common sense.
Camdenlawprof...
Any thoughts about the Castle Doctrine and how it may apply here since the Doctrine extends to one's vehicle in Louisiana (knowing that McKnight exited his vehicle)?
Any thoughts about the Castle Doctrine and how it may apply here since the Doctrine extends to one's vehicle in Louisiana (knowing that McKnight exited his vehicle)?
Coming from the guy who supports SYG but blames the victim for not walking away.
