Yeah, thanks for that. Very productive to the conversation. I guess we’ll see who’s dumb when the show gets cancelled after a few seasons because they fail to address the only audience that actually watches it. At this point, the first seven episodes have been primarily driven by plots centered around Rhaenyra and/or Alicent. If you take the Dragons out of the show and the one Crab Feeder battle you basically have House of Yellowstone minus Kevin Costner.
OT: House of the Dragon - Discussion
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You are literally ignoring the facts/source material and jumping to pointless conclusions. Sorry, but that's dumb. Also, this is the most watched HBO series of all-time and the audience is growing.
Yes, those two are the ones creating the factions - Greens vs. Blacks. But who's going to do the fighting? Hint: men and dragons. If you are so concerned about this being a chick show, review the story and see if you want to bail or not:
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I have to agree with this. in GOT we got a lot more background and development. I feel like I'd need to read the books to truly follow HOD fully which I'd imagine is not the show's intent. I'm ready to walk on the show
It's not about the source materials, it's about the execution. Lot's of great books make bad movies because of poor execution.
fyi, the ratings are falling for this show and fewer are tuning in per past two weeks. Last week, almost as many watched the Rutgers Ohio State game for comparison.
If you read any blogs, some of the same concerns voiced here are echoed there. It's an issue for the show in that it's rushed, lacks development, acting is ok, storyline could have more meat and none of the characters are likable
Viewership is up, reviews keep getting better, life is good for the Dragon team. Season 2 is well into production. Since this is an existing story with a definitive conclusion, look for the show to be 4 to 5 seasons. After that, the HotD show may pivot to the Blackfrye Rebellion.
I’m not even saying I hate the show. But we all know that source material interpretation as manifested on the big screen by producers and actors is the number one reason shows fail despite a best-selling book series.
quick google search says otherwise and viewership is akin to what I posted. its' declining
Anybody else notice that Helaena has The Sight? Everytime she plays with bugs she mumbles to herself. Rewatch S1E6. There is a scene where she is playing witha milipede while Aemond is arguing with Alicent about not having a dragon. It is after the pig scene. Alicent says to Aemond that he will have adragon one day. Helaena mumbles, "but you will have to close an eye." In S1E7, Aemond rides the dragon, then gets in the fight where Jacaerys slashes him across the eye.
In S1E7, Helaena is mumbling something while playing with the spider, but I can't make it out. Waiting to see what happens next week.
In S1E7, Helaena is mumbling something while playing with the spider, but I can't make it out. Waiting to see what happens next week.
The show is going up against the Sunday Night Football game that already started. I can't imagine ratings are that great. Most are DVR'ing like me or watching the replay.
Agree except for the king. Demanding role and he is doing pretty well as far as I can tell. Acting isn't the issue... imho. It is the writing/directing.. maybe it's the budget/time constraints. I think that is what happened with teh later seasons of GoT.. I expect they had fixed costs, fixed schedule.. had to have teh scripts and storyboards and shooting schedule is done by X date for Y money to satisfy all the actors' schedules too.. and the locations... they just couldn't take the time to do it properly... do it well.
I think I already said this but maybe it bears repeating.. the source material for this show is nowhere near what the original novels were. It was written more like a historical background outline to provide context for the ASOIAF novels. And that is what this show looks like.. barely fleshed-out bullet points.. like the later seasons of GOT. Those seasons could not have stood on their own without the previous seasons that did a great job on character and story. And the later seasons used those characters... but here? All the characters are new to us.. the world.. the story is somewhat familiar... but it does just not have the same quality.
It is like all those new Oreo varieties. We all know what to expect from an Oreo. Generally, we all like Oreos. So out comes some pumpkin Oreos and we like pumpkin and we like Oreos.. but not this thing.
Actually, Oreos might be a poor example.. the cookie part will always be the same. But teh idea holds. It is just not the same thing, same quality.
I want to see the Dunc and Egg stories be made a series.
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this website has a discussion including what she said to teh spider.. https://screenrant.com/helaena-targaryen-prophecy-dragons-flesh-thread-meaning-house-dragon/
Really missing the point of the entire show. We are still on the prologue of the story. We've had literally 7 episodes of set-up, character building, and foreshadowing. LOL on things being too fast. Major LOL!
Amazing series so far. Hitting all the right points, staying true to the source material, taking the time to do it right.
Agree with everything but the Oreo comments. Those chocolate covered ones you get at Christmas are awesome. 😀
That's the thing.. seven episodes were largely WASTED. The whole first season of GoT set up everything that was to follow and could stand on its own merits. You KNEW and cared about at least some of the characters even after the very first episode.
Think of everything that happened in that first episode of GOT..
- the Wall
- White Walkers
- Night Watch
- The Hand's funeral and some suspicious dialog between Cersei and Jamie
- The Starks
- The Dire Wolve pups
- Arya and Bran interactions
- King Robert and the Lannisters
-Incest
- attempted murder
- Pentos and Dany and the brother
- Ned's reluctance to go South with teh King... reference to Ned's sister
Those GOT episodes were absolutely loaded with content and character development. And they had prior knowledge of this world to 90% of the viewers.. maybe 10% had read a book or more of the series. This new show is crap in comparison... but that was a very high bar.. simply beyond most shows to reach.
Here's an example from this show's first episode.. missed opportunity. The tournament.. teh joust. Some decent use of Draegon and Kristo (or whatever his name is).. but the other character knights? Geeze what missed opportunities. Give me some reason why Draegon took out the legs of that horse and why everyone merely accepted it. Likewise the bloodbath that followed... absolutely no effort to say, well, this house hates that house... etc etc. It was violence that was not used to advance the story nor develop any characters.. so, why was it there? Every scene, every line of dialog, even every camera angle should be used to tell teh story. So, I repeat,, this is nowhere near GOT quality.
I want to like it.. I want to love it.. I still watch it.. but if you don't trust my opinion.. just search for others who think it sucks.. try this reddit.. maybe you will come across someone who explains their distaste better than I can.
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You just had a long post saying the series is going too fast. Now a long post about it going too slow. You have me completely lost.
The story is powerful and perfectly clear. 2 groups with strong claims to the throne. A weak king trying to keep the family together. 18 dragons ready to go nuts. What else do you want? Amazing story. Much better than the lasting after-taste of GoT.
I'm with T2K and am mostly satisfied with the show so far. I didn't expect the show to have the same character development as GoT since the source material is based on a third party history of the Targarians over a much larger time frame. The show picks up more than halfway through the book. Once the dance of the dragons picks up, someone dies on every page until there is no one left, every house in Westerous picks sides and is heavly impacted by the war, Essos gets into the fray , etc., so it is more about the overall history and not like the character POV from GRM's incomplete masterpiece. I expect the action to pick up from here. The storyline so far has been good, the acting is strong, and scenery rich. What? Someone on the internet is complaining and says something sucks? No way.
I am rooting for Prince Daemon. Why? Same reason why I rooted for Stone Cold back in the day before he become a babyface in the WWE. FTW! :)
agree....almost all of these shows have gone this route...one exception was Spartacus series which was a good balance of characters although in its final season it was awful as the female slaves become super warriors
Hollywood has this thing about making women the focal point of these shows. Cersei was great because she was pretty cutthroat but where is the Cersei on this show and Daemon is just an unlikable character played by a boring actor
In fact its the casting of this show that has me scared whether i can make it through, very pedestrian stuff and almost no one is attractive...they made the actress who plays Alicent who is a very pretty women, sort of plain and way older than she is
he is a very boring character and horribly miscast
the long white hair on these folks is really embarrassingly done
They cast him mainly for his menacing look but agree that for the most part his lines are pathetic.
Hollywood is woke. Women reign supreme and now black leading family with white hair. Ridiculous....
My problem with the actor playing Daemon is that he is supposed to be this great warrior yet he always walks hunched over head down. I know he is taller than everyone but it gives him an air of weakness.
The actress that played Cersie in GOT was always portraying strength, always tall and regal even if she was evil.
I am hoping Alicent grows into that type of character.
The actress that played Cersie in GOT was always portraying strength, always tall and regal even if she was evil.
I am hoping Alicent grows into that type of character.
Slow? Where did I say that? Your summary, of where the story is, seems to completely cover it... many years have passed and you need only say that to sum it up.
Daemon looks more like the main arch nemesis. He'll having staying power because they're making him so disliked. And don't ruin it for me I didn't read the books.
Ratings are down from 2019 and before. Also, didn't GOT have same time slot? Its not the football that is hurting viewership for this shiw; its the show itself
Do women and African Americans even watch HOTD? I always thought the number one rule of ratings was cater to your target audience.
Flying dragons. Your issue is black leading family member? Got it. I guess if the white hood fits...you do you.
