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OT: last chance for a bit of snow (3/23)? Warm/less snowy pattern likely thru end of Feb

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All 4 major global models at 0Z (7 pm EST data inputs to the models) are now showing a pretty significant to major coastal storm this weekend (mostly Saturday late morning through the evening for the Philly-NYC region), but only one of them is showing significant snowfall. The GFS shows a snow to rain storm with significant snowfall along and NW of 95 (and rain SE of 95), while the UK shows a monsoon of a rainstorm with 1-3" of rain (close to 1" well NW to almost 3" near the coast), and the Euro and CMC show a major storm a couple hundred miles off the coast, with just some modest rains near the coast, but huge rains offshore (1-3"), so the precip is certainly there with all 4 models.

But we're about 5 days out and obviously much can change between now and the event, especially with the main players being well offshore of the North American continent, meaning they're not being sampled well for initial conditions, meaning much greater forecast uncertainty. Probably the biggest issue with getting major snows, even if we end up with a great snowstorm track to the 40N/70W "benchmark," is that the antecedent temps leading up to the storm look borderline for snow. Of course, the track is clearly in question also, with 2 of the 4 models basically showing an offshore solution with light to modest rain for just the coast.

This is a serious "thread the needle" scenario, meaning a major snowstorm is unlikely, but if we get a storm as powerful as all of the models are now showing and it takes a perfect track for snow (only 1 is showing that and only partly), it's possible a storm like that could essentially "generate" its own cold air via dynamic cooling with heavy precip rates which can sometimes turn a rainstorm into a pastebomb of a snowstorm (especially NW of 95, but even along 95 and SE of there, too). So, nobody needs to buy milk and bread yet (or a canoe), but this one is worth tracking - I think we should know by Wednesday whether there is going to be any significant snow threat. The one thing that's starting to look likely is the potential for heavy surf and possibly minor tidal flooding (fortunately it won't be a full moon).

https://forecast.weather.gov/produc...&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off
 
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Thought I was pretty clear that this was much more of a coastal storm/rain threat than a snow threat and that there's a decent chance it largely misses us to our south. If I had been touting the snow threat, that would be reaching IMO.
 
Thought I was pretty clear that this was much more of a coastal storm/rain threat than a snow threat and that there's a decent chance it largely misses us to our south. If I had been touting the snow threat, that would be reaching IMO.



I can't wait for Mr Jealous, and I don't mean Bac, sets up his own thread then merges yours into his.
 
...and the 12Z gfs goes “muy este de Neuva Jersey!”
 
Tell me about Sunday @RU848789 @bac2therac

What do you think? Outdoor charity function on the outdoor rink at Avon Pond during the day.
Sunday is looking fine as of right now; even in the stormy scenarios, precip should be over by sunrise on Sunday. It's often breezy/windy in the wake of a big storm, though, but the 12Z models are, overall, less stormy for us than last night's, as the models are further offshore, with no models showing even a big rainstorm for our area (like a couple did last night) - huge rains are still just offshore (the 1" precip line is 50-150 miles off the NJ coast, depending on the model, and at 4+ days out, that's well within model track error), though, so the threat is far from over. Snow, though, is looking a bit less likely than last night (and it was relatively unlikely then), but can't be ruled out yet.
 
We got another mountain biker in the house? We ride Allaire. Blessed to be a stone's throw from trails that connect to Allaire.
I've done Allaire, my favorite place to ride is Hartshorn Woods and Huber Woods, my start point is the Rocky Point parking lot and from there I work my way through Claypoint Creek, across the Locust Ave bridge, go through Huber and work my way back to Rocky Point, I do about 12-15 miles.

One thing I liked about Allaire was how easily you can get lost and I kinda dig that.
 
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I've done Allaire, my favorite place to ride is Hartshorn Woods and Huber Woods, my start point is the Rocky Point parking lot and from there I work my way through Claypoint Creek, across the Locust Ave bridge, go through Huber and work my way back to Rocky Point, I do about 12-15 miles.

One thing I liked about Allaire was how easily you can get lost and I kinda dig that.
I used to live within biking distance to Huber/Hartshorne. I never really liked riding Huber. Used to ride over the Oceanic Bridge, through Claypit Creek and up the back way through Hartshorne. Years ago, right after he was fired, I literally almost ran into Mike Rice and his wife. I said hello and wished him well. Definitely like the steepness of Hartshorne more than Allaire, but Allaire has a lot more trails.

If you have a kid who rides, there is a composite Monmouth/Ocean County mountain bike middle school and high school team called the Jersey Shore Tidal Waves. We ride mostly in Allaire for practice, but we area scheduled for Huber Saturday. We do 6 races per year. It's a good time.
 
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I used to live within biking distance to Huber/Hartshorne. I never really liked riding Huber. Used to ride over the Oceanic Bridge, through Claypit Creek and up the back way through Hartshorne. Years ago, right after he was fired, I literally almost ran into Mike Rice and his wife. I said hello and wished him well. Definitely like the steepness of Hartshorne more than Allaire, but Allaire has a lot more trails.

If you have a kid who rides, there is a composite Monmouth/Ocean County mountain bike middle school and high school team called the Jersey Shore Tidal Waves. We ride mostly in Allaire for practice, but we area scheduled for Huber Saturday. We do 6 races per year. It's a good time.
Hartshorne Woods is such a hidden gem, it's incredible in it's beauty and it has great trails that will work the body and break it if you don't know what you're doing. The only downside is more and more people are finding out about it, during the Xmas break when the temps were in the high 50's the trails were full of families on hikes, which is great that they're hiking but not good for us riders.

I also do a lot of riding in the woods of Sayreville which is convenient for me.
 
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Rain in Charleston Thursday through Saturday morning. Rain there as well I have heard. So far no Nor'easters or Manitoba Maulers for you. There is still time Eric. There is still time. Today 60 and sweet down here. Now it's off for some oysters. Bye y'all. Go RU
 
Rain in Charleston Thursday through Saturday morning. Rain there as well I have heard. So far no Nor'easters or Manitoba Maulers for you. There is still time Eric. There is still time. Today 60 and sweet down here. Now it's off for some oysters. Bye y'all. Go RU

Pretty sure it's pronounced "ersters". As in "Dem's sum dayum good ersters!"
 
Good news for the low tide cycle. Remarked to my wife how we have not broken out the snowblower for a couple of year now. Hope I did not summon up the snow jinx.
so you actually have a bike you ride in the water during low tide?
 
Rain in Charleston Thursday through Saturday morning. Rain there as well I have heard. So far no Nor'easters or Manitoba Maulers for you. There is still time Eric. There is still time. Today 60 and sweet down here. Now it's off for some oysters. Bye y'all. Go RU
Potential snow in Charleston in 10 days on one model. I'd ignore it, but it's still unusual to see. This weekend's storm will be a full-blown nor'easter - just very likely a wet one that's probably too far offshore for much rain here. But it's still 4 days out and that can certainly change as the track error bars on "Miller A" storms are quite large, since the "storm" wont' even form in the GOM until Friday evening and the energy that will form it is still out in the Pacific Ocean.

However, every snow weenie in the world remembers 12/26/2010. That was also a "Miller A" style storm (starts near/in the Gulf heads over to the NC/SC coast and then plows up the east coast delivering a lot of precip, sometimes snow), which had a consensus forecast as largely out to sea, with just a bit of snow near the coast from day 4 to day 2, but then 36 hours before the event, late on Christmas Eve night, the 0Z models all went from that to an all-out blizzard forecast, which verified on 12/26. It was the most insane I've ever seen the weather boards, which kept crashing. Even folks like Craig Allen, Hurricane Schwartz, Jeff Berardelli, who rarely post, were joining in on the fun.

We were in Charlotte visiting family on Christmas Eve night and after everyone went to sleep I was causally surfing the web and watching the model runs between about 10 pm and 1 am and every model showed a bomb for our area. Best Christmas present I could get, lol. I even convinced my wife and then 16 year old son that we should leave Charlotte after Christmas dinner so we could be home for the blizzard and we left around 7 pm getting caught in the snow a bit for the first 3-4 hours of the drive with several inches on even the interstates, but traffic was light and we outran the snow by about Durham and the rest of the ride was fine. I got a couple of hours of sleep, played soccer the morning of 12/26, as usual for a Sunday, then sat back and enjoyed an incredible storm, with 23" in Metuchen, 32" reported in Elizabeth, 24" in Newark, 27" on SI, 26" in Brick (but "only" 8-12" from Trenton on SW-ward) etc.
 
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Eric I spent some time out in western south Carolina right after they got demolished by snow and ice about 5 or 6 years ago. Crippling. My friends got stuck in their car on a peach farm for days and almost died. No power. Total shut down. I witnessed what it left in Aiken a city of oaks that were dropped like matchsticks. If it snows here it will be slight and gone in a minute followed by the sun and 60's .Enjoy.
 
All 4 major global models at 0Z (7 pm EST data inputs to the models) are now showing a pretty significant to major coastal storm this weekend (mostly Saturday late morning through the evening for the Philly-NYC region), but only one of them is showing significant snowfall. The GFS shows a snow to rain storm with significant snowfall along and NW of 95 (and rain SE of 95), while the UK shows a monsoon of a rainstorm with 1-3" of rain (close to 1" well NW to almost 3" near the coast), and the Euro and CMC show a major storm a couple hundred miles off the coast, with just some modest rains near the coast, but huge rains offshore (1-3"), so the precip is certainly there with all 4 models.

But we're about 5 days out and obviously much can change between now and the event, especially with the main players being well offshore of the North American continent, meaning they're not being sampled well for initial conditions, meaning much greater forecast uncertainty. Probably the biggest issue with getting major snows, even if we end up with a great snowstorm track to the 40N/70W "benchmark," is that the antecedent temps leading up to the storm look borderline for snow. Of course, the track is clearly in question also, with 2 of the 4 models basically showing an offshore solution with light to modest rain for just the coast.

This is a serious "thread the needle" scenario, meaning a major snowstorm is unlikely, but if we get a storm as powerful as all of the models are now showing and it takes a perfect track for snow (only 1 is showing that and only partly), it's possible a storm like that could essentially "generate" its own cold air via dynamic cooling with heavy precip rates which can sometimes turn a rainstorm into a pastebomb of a snowstorm (especially NW of 95, but even along 95 and SE of there, too). So, nobody needs to buy milk and bread yet (or a canoe), but this one is worth tracking - I think we should know by Wednesday whether there is going to be any significant snow threat. The one thing that's starting to look likely is the potential for heavy surf and possibly minor tidal flooding (fortunately it won't be a full moon).

https://forecast.weather.gov/produc...&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off

Well, it's now looking like the Euro was right on this one, as it's consistently shown an out-to-sea solution (since this past Saturday) and all the models now show that solution and we're just 3 days out, so, barring a Dec 2010 Boxing Day miracle, I think we can stick a fork in this one for major precip for anywhere other than SE NJ. Not good for snow lovers and winter sports enthusiasts, but I'm sure most of you will rejoice, lol.

Anyway, this is actually more about the lack of phasing of the northern and southern jet stream systems than it is about the eventual track - the offshore track is more of an outcome of that lack of phasing. The phasing would've made for a more powerful storm (and negatively tilted trough, pulling the storm up the coast more), although even if that had happened, rain was still more likely than snow for the 95 corridor, due to the lack of cold air in place.

Regardless, not one model shows more than some rain/snow showers (moreso from a weak clipper interacting a bit with the coastal) for the Philly-NYC corridor, even down to the CNJ coast, as the major coastal storm looks like it'll track ENE from the NC coast, such that all of the heavy precip (1-2" of rain out in the ocean) will likely be at least 75+ miles off the NJ coast. Only the GFS shows the 0.5" of precip line even reaching Cape May and coming close to LBI. Also, at this point, even if the track shifted significantly NW, it's very likely that would just mean some moderate to heavy rain for our area, as it'll likely be too warm for snow (partly due to that lack of phasing).

The long range folks are chirping about 2/8, but 10 days away is a little desparate, IMO. Unfortunately, for snow lovers, the general pattern this winter just hasn't been conducive to snow, with lots of progressive flow of warm air from the Pacific and lack of blocking in the North Atlantic - and when we've had chances of snow, the storm tracks have been over us or west of us, which almost always brings snow to rain or just rain. We can still get snow in such patterns, but it's just a lot less likely.

Changed the thread title from "Potential Coastal Storm for Saturday, 2/1 (mostly rain likely at this point)" to the current title...
 
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It's almost February and we've had no snow here in Monmouth County. And we had no significant snow last year either.

I suppose global warming -- which I do believe in -- could be a factor. But, either way, this is just getting downright weird. I like a good snow storm once in a while. Maybe I need to move to Alaska.
 
It's almost February and we've had no snow here in Monmouth County. And we had no significant snow last year either.

I suppose global warming -- which I do believe in -- could be a factor. But, either way, this is just getting downright weird. I like a good snow storm once in a while. Maybe I need to move to Alaska.
I can scientifically and positively confirm it is not global warming. Like last year, at the first threat of snow, I placed my snowblower in the ready position in the garage, and plugged the electric start to an outlet. It's the electromotive forces of my snowblower preventing snowfall in Monmouth County.
 
I can scientifically and positively confirm it is not global warming. Like last year, at the first threat of snow, I placed my snowblower in the ready position in the garage, and plugged the electric start to an outlet. It's the electromotive forces of my snowblower preventing snowfall in Monmouth County.

That and the hundy I dropped on mine at the beginning of last winter to make sure it was in perfect running condition.
 
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I can scientifically and positively confirm it is not global warming. Like last year, at the first threat of snow, I placed my snowblower in the ready position in the garage, and plugged the electric start to an outlet. It's the electromotive forces of my snowblower preventing snowfall in Monmouth County.
That and the hundy I dropped on mine at the beginning of last winter to make sure it was in perfect running condition.
I did both of those things as well.

So I guess I helped keep Monmouth free of snow too.
 
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