You killed him in this "debate" and he knows it. He can't explain his claims that PSU knew something back in the 80's, couldn't explain why PSU would be responsible for the 1998 incident after the authorities did not charge Sandusky and couldn't explain how PSU was somehow holding back Sandusky from interviewing with other team after he retired. Instead of just sticking to the facts and saying that PSU failed (which it certainly did), he got greedy.
News flash: Background checks involve more that just picking up the public records at the county courthouse. No I don't have any recordings of the conversations between Ped administrators and their counterparts when and if requests were made to speak with Sandusky about coaching opportunities. Funny how the DC at a pretty successful program for 20 yrs never gets a shot as HC anywhere else in college football. Anyway in light of what we know today, it doesn't take much to get the word out that he shouldn't be considered and/or let Sandusky know he better not consider them. No, stuff like that never happens..
Or maybe it had to do with the large drug cartel that he just took down? Or maybe even a suicide? Naw, it had to be PSU and Sandusky because, you know... 2005 is so close to 2001!
Wonder what the fly on the wall could tell about the JoPA meeting with UVA re: a possible Sandusky hire.It's obvious Ped St was keeping their pedophile under house arrest-the cultists will never believe it of course unless there are emails, tape recordings, etc. WIihout that we're all against them...
You're probably giving the Pedders too much credit, I doubt they'd even believe email evidence, video or tape recordings, or a resurrected Mother Teresa's sworn testimony to the Sandusky cover-up.Wonder what the fly on the wall could tell about the JoPA meeting with UVA re: a possible Sandusky hire.It's obvious Ped St was keeping their pedophile under house arrest-the cultists will never believe it of course unless there are emails, tape recordings, etc. WIihout that we're all against them...
I could buy the suicide theory considering the guilt of handing a rampant gay pedophile his get out-of-jail-free card.
So what you are saying that he probably didn't kill himself due to Sandusky? I agree.Yes I would think that.
Cute, but I think you need to re-read what I said.No-not saying that.
Let me role play a hypothetical call from the Purdue or Colorado St AD to Ped about Jerry:
Jerry was retired since the end of the 1999 season. Why would any school need to call for PSU's permission to interview him?
When did PSU first know that Sandusky was a pedo? And please cite your work.
The grand jury identified eight boys who had been singled out for sexual advances or sexual assaults by Sandusky, taking place from 1994 through 2009. At least 20 of the incidents allegedly took place while Sandusky was still employed at Penn State. The Second Mile started in '77. I'll take a midpoint timeline and say Ped Staters knew in '80's. You ok with that?
No, of course I am not okay with that. If you want to say that PSU knew anything prior to 1998 (which again, he was never charged with anything at that time), you need to bring something concrete. You can't just put your finger on a timeline and go "THERE! THAT WAS IT!!!"
Credible source? Since when is "A buddy of mine has relatives that work in college athletics" an air tight source. A buddy of mine who relatives that work in college athletics says your buddy's relative is full of crap. Do you also have a buddy with a relative who know where Hoffa is buried? I bet he also heard Ferris Bueller needs a kidney transplant.
The truth is somewhere between Sandusky's jail cell and JoPa's cemetery. I know, I know, there's nothing on video or a tape recording so it's just so unfair to smear the good name of Ped with all of this....I'll let you be now to your deluded state of denial.
So kjb and getmyjive are demolishing some talk of Ped St covering-up the Sandusky scandal for decades? Somehow I'm missing that. Please detail, and as getmyjive would say, cite your sources please.
Your problem is that you don't want to talk about the actual facts of the case. To that, I really can't have an honest discussion with you.
The facts have been covered up for decades. All you have is what was publicly disclosed after the scandal broke. So what's your theory as to why a long-time asst head coach with proven success at a high-profile CFB program never made it to the head coaching ranks somewhere, anywhere?
First off, that is the president's box, so Paterno wouldn't have anything to do with it. With that being said, it has already been established that the Curley, Spanier and Schultz have made plenty of questionable (if not criminal) decisions throughout this whole situation, so them making another one is not surprising to say the least. It's definitely arrogance, but the question is, did they believe Jerry was a pedo or did they believe he was really just a bit weird and had boundary issues. If it is the latter, that would explain why he was allowed in the box. But again, it's hard to comment on that because the trial has not occurred yet and we do not know exactly why was told between Curley and Schultz to Spanier.
There has been nothing prior to 1998 that suggests PSU coaches or administration knew about Sandsuky's pedo-ness. If you can find something, again, please post it. I'm not going to pretend like I know who knew what before 1998 because none of us do. It's futile.
So you have no guesses as to why the raging pedo was kept on the Ped St farm and never aspired to a higher rank in the coaching profession? Maybe he was just too lazy, not ambitious enough. Any ideas kjb? diceman? So according to diceman you're smarter than those that hear something about Ped blocking any moves by the raging pedo out of seclusion in the mountains and don't put it past Ped. Lucky you genius.
It is incredible, there is no doubt about it. But, if Spanier was told by Curley and Schultz (remember, Spanier did not talk to Paterno and McQueary, only C/S) that Jerry was just "horsing around", he may have thought that there was nothing to this investigation and that Jerry was just a guy with boundary issues. You really can't bring Paterno or McQueary up win this particular discussion because they have nothing to do with who watches a game in the president's box. But yes, there was certainly a great deal of arrogance about the whole situation.
Why did Tom Bradley stay at PSU so long? He could have been a Head coach the last 5-7 years he was there. It's because he thought that he was going to be the HC at PSU. Jerry thought the same thing and was just waiting for Paterno to leave. I don't think anyone believed that Paterno would be coaching until he was 85.
Bradley waiting 5-7 yrs when JoPA was in his late 70's/early 80's is a reasonable assumption.Sandusky waiting 10, 15, 20 yrs with JoPA in his 60's and never giving any indication of retiring-hard to believe. Do you have any facts to back-up your theory? Any affidavits, recorded calls/conversations or official letters from Sandusky to verify he thought the "same thing". Diceman may not approve if you don't-he's a real smart guy you know.
