OT: New York Mets 2022-2023 Off Season Thread

[Knight Shift]

I'll skip that.

Hard to believe we have adults on this board, some in their 50s and 60s.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Screw it sign Correa for him to play 3B. Sign Senga. Sign another 2 pen arms. Trade McCann and Ruf. Sign Kiermaier.

Kiermaier to Blue Jays.

 

[tico brown]

Love this, he really is clueless. Keeps saying how could the Mets let the best pitcher in baseball leave for Texas. I guess he doesn't watch enough baseball to realize deGrom hasn't been healthy in 3 years,lol

And that deGrom didn’t want to be there

 

[Kbee3]

So was the last time you made an intelligent post. I understand its your low self esteem that attracts you to the Yanks and keeps you coming back to this thread to feel better about yourself. I gave you a whole page of analysis on this a couple of years ago and you seemed to be doing better. Apparently you have relapsed. Please get help.

Actually, I was attracted to the Yankees as a young boy around 1960. I liked baseball and they were the only MLB team around. And they had Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, Yogi Berra, Whitey Ford. There were no Mets. Not sure how you could figure it had anything to do with the self esteem of a ten year old boy. Although i gotta admit my self-esteem wasn't that high back then.
BTW, you gotta admit that 1986 WAS a long, long time ago.

 

[Kbee3]

And that deGrom didn’t want to be there

Was it the Mets mascot with the big baseball for a head, the big apple that rises up with every home run by the home team, the crappy music incessantly blaring away, or the loser fan base ?

 

[FrankZ]

Ring me (us) please

 

[FrankZ]

Better DH, another RP, trade McCann, and dump Ruf next please

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Ring me (us) please

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Wow

 

[Zak57]

Senga!!!!!

 

[Zak57]

Better DH, another RP, trade McCann, and dump Ruf next please

Vogelbach/Vientos will be fine. Agreed on RP, McCann and Ruf. If we need to keep Ruf as well for a while then whatever.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Senga!!!!!

Hopefully a prelude to Ohtani next year......

 

[AntiG]

See we should have just stolen Judge as well LOL

Cohen going full Axe.

 

[FrankZ]

Cohen going full Axe.

Yeah this is why I don’t think we’ll be dealing with the likes of Ruf at DH this season. 🔥

 

[RuBird]

Jake who? My gosh what a pitching staff. You have Peterson and TM as your 6th and 7th starter when at times they were asked to be big keys to your staff. Tell me who does an opponent want to face.

 

[rufeelinit]

I have to admit as a long time Met fan who killed the Yankees during peak Steinbrenner spending, I am struggling to get behind this method of building your team. The length of these deals suggest this is more than a stop gap measure until the farm is producing.

 

[MadRU]

I have to admit as a long time Met fan who killed the Yankees during peak Steinbrenner spending, I am struggling to get behind this method of building your team. The length of these deals suggest this is more than a stop gap measure until the farm is producing.

He has an opt out after 2 years. If he is good, he will opt out. Other than a few contracts like Nimmo most will be off the books in a few years.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

See we should have just stolen Judge as well LOL

Cohen going full Axe.

 

[Zak57]

I have to admit as a long time Met fan who killed the Yankees during peak Steinbrenner spending, I am struggling to get behind this method of building your team. The length of these deals suggest this is more than a stop gap measure until the farm is producing.

Nimmo is homegrown. The rest are pretty short. It's just to spread the AAV as well.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

I have to admit as a long time Met fan who killed the Yankees during peak Steinbrenner spending, I am struggling to get behind this method of building your team. The length of these deals suggest this is more than a stop gap measure until the farm is producing.

These deals are like two or three years at most. The Mets are not tied down with long-term contracts.

 

[RUfinally2008]

Mets still diving into the Yanks dumpster! J/K.....

With these stats and at 26 years old, it's worth the gamble. I always look at innings to K's. So tell me again how bad Judge's contract will look after year 2? How big bodies don't age well? This coming from you. Will remind you just like your prediction of The New Core 4.https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=greene000zac

 

[tico brown]

But Jake said the Mets are not commited to winning!!!

 

[RuBird]

But Jake said the Mets are not commited to winning!!!

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What he really meant to say was they are not committed to winning with a pitcher who spends most of his time on the DL

 

[tico brown]

Let’s see if Senga helps with Ohtani signing with the Mets next season.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Been searching net to see the business sides of these deals. If Mets win , they increase ticket sales ? 2500-3500 game ? Senga crowds in April vs regular Bassitt Walker start ?? Playoff ticket sales ? TV revenue ? Ect ect. Goal ….how much will Mets and Cohen make ? Will Cohen lose money with a 400 million payroll ?

Mets have room to grow in revenue ..currently 13th in league @ 302 million

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[FrankZ]

Hopefully a prelude to Ohtani next year......

Seems extremely likely

 

[NickRU714]

I have to admit as a long time Met fan who killed the Yankees during peak Steinbrenner spending, I am struggling to get behind this method of building your team. The length of these deals suggest this is more than a stop gap measure until the farm is producing.

Also a Mets fan and never understood this perspective. Never saw the honor in losing with a lower payroll.

Don't we crush HC's for low recruiting rankings instead of getting the best players possible?
Nobody says "we shouldn't recruit 4 and 5 star players. Let's try to win with 2 star players!"

Same with the Big Ten media deal.
We're literally in the "Yankees" conference of CFB and everyone is estatic.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Been searching net to see the business sides of these deals. If Mets win , they increase ticket sales ? 2500-3500 game ? Senga crowds in April vs regular Bassitt Walker start ?? Playoff ticket sales ? TV revenue ? Ect ect. Goal ….how much will Mets and Cohen make ? Will Cohen lose money with a 400 million payroll ?

Mets have room to grow in revenue ..currently 13th in league @ 302 million

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New York Mets’ Revenue Surged To $153 Million At Citi Field In 2021 Thanks To Steve Cohen

Cohen injected a lot of his own money into the ballpark.

www.forbes.com

New York Mets average ticket price 2023 | Statista

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Cohen has to get SNY from the Coupons. The Mets would jump so many of the teams in front of them revenue-wise.

 

[RuBird]

If we had minor league phenoms that we were blocking from getting to the majors because of these signings I would be upset. If anything you are looking to trade McCant the only one truly blocking a phenom. When many of these pitchers can opt out in 2 or 3 years our minor league pitchers should be ready. In the meantime thank you Uncle Stevie

 

[cubuffsdoug]

New York Mets’ Revenue Surged To $153 Million At Citi Field In 2021 Thanks To Steve Cohen

Cohen injected a lot of his own money into the ballpark.

www.forbes.com

This is what sets Cohen apart from the other owners. A smart businessman who understands how to increase earnings while putting the Mets in a position to be more liquid. The Coupons were always strapped for cash because they were not savvy businessmen. In the end, it impacts the organization's ability to field a good team with enough quality players to compete.

 

[RUfinally2008]

Was it the Mets mascot with the big baseball for a head, the big apple that rises up with every home run by the home team, the crappy music incessantly blaring away, or the loser fan base ?

Congrats,lol.

Congratulations to Aaron Judge on getting paid. But maybe he shouldn't count on a ring to come with that $360 million. ‌ It should come as no surprise that Judge is staying with the Yankees and that they ponied up several boatloads of cash to keep him. That’s just the way of doing business in any sport these days. You want to lock up Patrick Mahomes for the foreseeable future? You’re going to have to pay him $400+ million. You want to keep Giannis Antetoukounmpo in Milwaukee? It’s gonna cost you $45 million per. ‌ But unlike a quarterback or a point-forward, power hitters like Judge only have a ball in their hands but a few times a game, and a bat just four to five, meaning their chances to impact an outcome — even when they hit 62 home runs — is relatively limited. Tack on baseball’s forever reality that a 33-percent success rate will get you to the Hall of Fame, and you’re left hoping that your multi-million-dollar investment comes to the plate at just the right moment and, in that moment, defies the odds that are stacked heavily against him that he’ll even get a hit. ‌ In his epic 2022 season, that by some metrics is the best any hitter has ever had, Judge hit a home run every 11 at bats. Compared to his peers it’s amazing, but those aren’t great odds in terms of trying to impact baseball games. ‌ So when looking at the contract the Yankees handed him — reportedly nine years, $360 million — you have to wonder not if he’s worth it — that’s a bottom-line valuation for owners to consider — but will it pay off in the form of a championship? ‌ We’ve all seen — well, maybe not all, considering he plays in Anaheim — Mike Trout morph into a five-tool machine, which earned him a monster 12-year, $426 million deal … and for what? Zero playoff appearances since he signed the deal is what. ‌ And it’s not just Trout. Prior to the 2021 season, at least 23 times a player has signed a nine-figure deal of eight years or longer. Those players have combined to produce four World Series titles this century, with Manny Ramirez accounting for two of them. The Yankees signed Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez and Mark Teixeira to deals totaling 27 years and $600 million. They got one title, in 2009, to show for it. ‌ When the titles have come, they’ve mostly come early in the contracts. Buster Posey in Year 1; Teixeira and Rodriguez in Years 1 and 2, respectively; Ramirez in Years 4 and 7; and Jeter, thanks to Tex and ARod, in Year 9. ‌ By that point in this contract, Judge will be 39 and costing the Yankees $40,000,000. ‌ No one thinks these deals are good for the teams in the long run, including the teams themselves. They’re betting on the now, hoping that pushing all their chips in will result in a championship like it did for the Rams, and then they'll deal with the fallout later. It’s just that the gamble on one baseball player comes with longer odds than betting on a quarterback in football. ‌ But if the Yankees weren’t willing to pay him, someone else would have. Reportedly the Padres offered more, probably because they’re trying to enhance the 24 years and $640 million they’ve committed to Manny Machado and Fernando Tatis Jr. ‌ Because in baseball, even having two $300 million players isn't always enough. ‌​ ​

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[RUfinally2008]

Holy crap. Worst contract of the offseason so far. Even worse than San Diego!

​ ​ Congratulations to Aaron Judge on getting paid. But maybe he shouldn't count on a ring to come with that $360 million. ‌ It should come as no surprise that Judge is staying with the Yankees and that they ponied up several boatloads of cash to keep him. That’s just the way of doing business in any sport these days. You want to lock up Patrick Mahomes for the foreseeable future? You’re going to have to pay him $400+ million. You want to keep Giannis Antetoukounmpo in Milwaukee? It’s gonna cost you $45 million per. ‌ But unlike a quarterback or a point-forward, power hitters like Judge only have a ball in their hands but a few times a game, and a bat just four to five, meaning their chances to impact an outcome — even when they hit 62 home runs — is relatively limited. Tack on baseball’s forever reality that a 33-percent success rate will get you to the Hall of Fame, and you’re left hoping that your multi-million-dollar investment comes to the plate at just the right moment and, in that moment, defies the odds that are stacked heavily against him that he’ll even get a hit. ‌ In his epic 2022 season, that by some metrics is the best any hitter has ever had, Judge hit a home run every 11 at bats. Compared to his peers it’s amazing, but those aren’t great odds in terms of trying to impact baseball games. ‌ So when looking at the contract the Yankees handed him — reportedly nine years, $360 million — you have to wonder not if he’s worth it — that’s a bottom-line valuation for owners to consider — but will it pay off in the form of a championship? ‌ We’ve all seen — well, maybe not all, considering he plays in Anaheim — Mike Trout morph into a five-tool machine, which earned him a monster 12-year, $426 million deal … and for what? Zero playoff appearances since he signed the deal is what. ‌ And it’s not just Trout. Prior to the 2021 season, at least 23 times a player has signed a nine-figure deal of eight years or longer. Those players have combined to produce four World Series titles this century, with Manny Ramirez accounting for two of them. The Yankees signed Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez and Mark Teixeira to deals totaling 27 years and $600 million. They got one title, in 2009, to show for it. ‌ When the titles have come, they’ve mostly come early in the contracts. Buster Posey in Year 1; Teixeira and Rodriguez in Years 1 and 2, respectively; Ramirez in Years 4 and 7; and Jeter, thanks to Tex and ARod, in Year 9. ‌ By that point in this contract, Judge will be 39 and costing the Yankees $40,000,000. ‌ No one thinks these deals are good for the teams in the long run, including the teams themselves. They’re betting on the now, hoping that pushing all their chips in will result in a championship like it did for the Rams, and then they'll deal with the fallout later. It’s just that the gamble on one baseball player comes with longer odds than betting on a quarterback in football. ‌ But if the Yankees weren’t willing to pay him, someone else would have. Reportedly the Padres offered more, probably because they’re trying to enhance the 24 years and $640 million they’ve committed to Manny Machado and Fernando Tatis Jr. ‌ Because in baseball, even having two $300 million players isn't always enough. Worse contract award goes to- - - Nimmo? Hardly Ace. It has Judge written all over it. ‌​ ​

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[BigEastPhil]

I have to admit as a long time Met fan who killed the Yankees during peak Steinbrenner spending, I am struggling to get behind this method of building your team. The length of these deals suggest this is more than a stop gap measure until the farm is producing.

Come on. We finally have an owner who’s committed to winning and you’re complaining. Lol.😂
Enjoy the great times ! I am. !
October will be fun times ! Just Win baby!

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Credit to dad ….
The Senga bus is coming ….

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Looks like Vogelbach is slimming down.

 

[AntiG]

Looks like Vogelbach is slimming down.

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He's going to be EVEN FASTER running the bases now. Runaway train!

 

[yesrutgers01]

Looks like Vogelbach is slimming down.

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He must have a great personality...

 

[gman500]

Comparing the mets to the yankees of a he early 2k’s isn’t really fair. For one, there was no luxury tax at the time. The yankees could spend as much as they wanted without penalty. They had their own tv network in the largest market, printing money. There were less playoff teams, meaning more teams had no chance to compete. Fewer teams (large market teams) would compete for players which kept the salaries down in general. The yankees exploited their advantage over even large market teams, while overpaying for the small market teams best players, making competetive balance even worse. There was nothing to even the playing field. Then their entitled fans gloated over how great they were. That’s why they were considered the “evil empire”

The mets are paying a ton for sure, but they are basically holding their own team together where they can. Making savvy long term decisions The total investment in their pitching staff has actually gone down. Their number 3 starter is making less/year than their #4 from last year. They replaced a great pitcher who hadnt been durable for 3 years, with a pitcher who just won the cy young for half the overall cost.

Cohen is rich AND a mets fan, and i love it. But even with spending, todays baseball is more balanced and their are no sure things. As these teams go on the market to be sold, the owners/owner groups will be richer and Mets advantage will fade.

 

[rubaseball78]

I have to admit as a long time Met fan who killed the Yankees during peak Steinbrenner spending, I am struggling to get behind this method of building your team. The length of these deals suggest this is more than a stop gap measure until the farm is producing.

So you prefer the Wilpons?

 

[AntiG]

Come on. We finally have an owner who’s committed to winning and you’re complaining. Lol.😂
Enjoy the great times ! I am. !
October will be fun times ! Just Win baby!

Seriously, I don't know about him but I was jealous of the Yankees fans because they had an owner that valued winning championships over his budget, and because of that got to enjoy being a top contender annually to the point where they are spoiled and bitch and moan when they don't win one... unlike our Mets' former owners who were satisfied to make the playoffs once every few years and actually blocked our GMs when good opportunities to put together a championship roster (I mentioned in the past that I used to be neighbors with Omar's father in law... There was one year in the late 2000s that we passed on trading F-Mart for prime Ichiro and signing post suspension Manny to join the lineup of Beltran, Delgado, Reyes, Wright because Coupon didn't want to spend the money and was afraid of the bad PR).

We finally have that too in Uncle "Bobby Axelrod" Steve. Be happy.

 

[AntiG]

Lol Mets apparently are pursuing Carlos Correa

Full Axe!