OT: New York Mets 2022-2023 Off Season Thread

[rufeelinit]

Just read an Athletic article by Keith Law about the signing and he cites historical evidence of other closers receiving 4-5 deals after landmark season and very few replicate that level of performance going forward. He may still perform at a high level but continuing at the level he did this year is highly unlikely for the duration of the contract. Chapman is one of the more positive comps and two years after his peak performance his decline became notable.

Yeah I know its not my money and the general upward trajectory of salaries but if we are looking at this contract in a similar fashion to James McCann in a couple of years all those thinking this is a wonderful signing will likely be singing a different tune.

 

[Doctor Worm]

I think I read the opt out was after the 3rd year as well.

Correct. Diaz is here for either three, five, or six years

Interesting to note- Met's have never been swept in a playoff series...

Not true. In the 2016 wild card series, Mets were swept 1-0.😏

 

[Zak57]

Correct. Diaz is here for either three, five, or six years
Not true. In the 2016 wild card series, Mets were swept 1-0.😏

Beat you to it last page! 😁

Hmm does a 1 game series qualify as a sweep? We lost in 2016 to the Giants in the 1 game WC or whatever they called it.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Just read an Athletic article by Keith Law about the signing and he cites historical evidence of other closers receiving 4-5 deals after landmark season and very few replicate that level of performance going forward. He may still perform at a high level but continuing at the level he did this year is highly unlikely for the duration of the contract. Chapman is one of the more positive comps and two years after his peak performance his decline became notable.

Yeah I know its not my money and the general upward trajectory of salaries but if we are looking at this contract in a similar fashion to James McCann in a couple of years all those thinking this is a wonderful signing will likely be singing a different tune.

Agreed. Which is why closers get paid a whole lot less than starters or position players. Diaz's contract is historic by reliever standards, but Nimmo will sign a bigger one. There is no question that Diaz is FAR superior at his craft than Nimmo is at his.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Hmm does a 1 game series qualify as a sweep? We lost in 2016 to the Giants in the 1 game WC or whatever they called it.

can't count those as sweeps or there would be at least 2 sweeps every single playoffs...plus- it would be a game, not a "series"

 

[yesrutgers01]

I love Nimmo…but Trea Turner is in another league. Wow

Why not both? Turner at 2nd base- OF of McNeil, Nimmo, Marte...Canha as our 4th OF
Would pretty much give us top 3 OF in the league and maybe best infield.

Actually, I posted about a stupid article I read that claimed the Yankees had four moves they needed to make.....resign Judge and sign Verlander, Correa, and Diaz. The whole article was absurd and devoid from reality. I thought everyone could easily figure out it was just so much nonsense. I forgot about you. You didn't see my upside down smiley face at the end of the post ?
In fact, over the weekend I read an article that maintained that the Yankees shouldn't spend big bucks on a reliever, as that was one area where they were in pretty good shape.

I have to back up kbee on this one- when he first posted, I almost made the mistake that he agreed but he did make it sarcastic with a face at the end of the post too.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Actually, I posted about a stupid article I read that claimed the Yankees had four moves they needed to make.....resign Judge and sign Verlander, Correa, and Diaz. The whole article was absurd and devoid from reality. I thought everyone could easily figure out it was just so much nonsense. I forgot about you. You didn't see my upside down smiley face at the end of the post ?
In fact, over the weekend I read an article that maintained that the Yankees shouldn't spend big bucks on a reliever, as that was one area where they were in pretty good shape.

Now- for the last sentence - we know that isn't true. 5-7th innings are solid but you do not have a closer.

 

[FrankZ]

Just read an Athletic article by Keith Law about the signing and he cites historical evidence of other closers receiving 4-5 deals after landmark season and very few replicate that level of performance going forward. He may still perform at a high level but continuing at the level he did this year is highly unlikely for the duration of the contract. Chapman is one of the more positive comps and two years after his peak performance his decline became notable.

Agreed - but now with Uncle Stevie I don't worry about this. With the Coupons, one stupid albatross contract and we were done for years/decades.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Correct. Diaz is here for either three, five, or six years
Not true. In the 2016 wild card series, Mets were swept 1-0.😏

Well by it's very definition it can't be a series if it's only 1 game.

 

[FrankZ]

Well by it's very definition it can't be a series if it's only 1 game.

I agree. 2+ games I think is the differentiator here.

 

[Doctor Worm]

No surprise, but apparently now it's official.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Tijuana Walker has also officially declined his 2023 option. Again, no surprise.

The only real item of suspense at this point is whether the Mets exercise their option on Carrasco. By "at the point" I mean until Friday, when the bazaar opens.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Agreed - but now with Uncle Stevie I don't worry about this. With the Coupons, one stupid albatross contract and we were done for years/decades.

Here is the thing with this contract as well...It is for a closer and even with it being a record contract for a closer- 20 mil a year doesn't have as much impact as signing a Judge or deGrom and having them have a career ending injury.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Tijuana Walker has also officially declined his 2023 option. Again, no surprise.

The only real item of suspense at this point is whether the Mets exercise their option on Carrasco. By "at the point" I mean until Friday, when the bazaar opens.

I would pick it up on Carasco- he is still very affordable and would be one of the top 5 starters in FA if we don't.

 

[RUfinally2008]

Actually, I posted about a stupid article I read that claimed the Yankees had four moves they needed to make.....resign Judge and sign Verlander, Correa, and Diaz. The whole article was absurd and devoid from reality. I thought everyone could easily figure out it was just so much nonsense. I forgot about you. You didn't see my upside down smiley face at the end of the post ?
In fact, over the weekend I read an article that maintained that the Yankees shouldn't spend big bucks on a reliever, as that was one area where they were in pretty good shape.

You forgot about me, nice douche remark..

 

[Kbee3]

You forgot about me, nice douche remark..

You earned it.

 

[RUfinally2008]

You earned it.

I guess I'll have to learn Yankees speak, sarcasm and whatever you call whining. I'll read it more carefully next time. Here let me try it, "I was overwhelmed with sadness at the sweeping of your team by such a standup franchise". How was that? Now you try, say something about the one hit wonders, be honest, when your legendary team carried only one hit into the 9th of game 3 against the Astros you were soiling your recliner after being so proud of what you thought was a clever shot at the Mets. See, it can be fun, I like it don't you?

 

[yesrutgers01]

You earned it.

you know what the funny thing is- as crazy as that article was- it sounded a lot like your fellow Yankee posters over there.

Not you...but mostly, one specific guy that just wants to fire Cashman, fire Boone, get rid of the entire club and sign guys that are going to win.

He has no plan, has no clue who is under contract or how he would make these moves...but it is his way or the highway...lol

 

[RUfinally2008]

you know what the funny thing is- as crazy as that article was- it sounded a lot like your fellow Yankee posters over there.

Not you...but mostly, one specific guy that just wants to fire Cashman, fire Boone, get rid of the entire club and sign guys that are going to win.

He has no plan, has no clue who is under contract or how he would make these moves...but it is his way or the highway...lol

Bullseye, that's gonna leave a mark,lol

 

[RUfinally2008]

To close out the MLB 2022 season, with a little clip from the Houston Astros World Series Parade. Gotta love it. Just to be crystal clear, if the Mets fan base chanted they wanted a certain team and then got swept, there would be a Conga Line of Amigos in this thread, so the Yankees got off easy in my book. Not sure why the Phillies are included in this article, they didn't have a history of pain against the Astros, and I don't recall them chanting that they wanted the Stros. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ml...nkees-fans-at-world-series-parade/ar-AA13QCb7

 

[tico brown]

Phillie fans were so shocked that they were in the World Series, they didn’t have a chance to come up with BS chants and whatnot. They were just happy to be there and it showed as they were great cheering their team on.

Maybe that We Want Houston chant was for someone else.

 

[RUfinally2008]

Phillie fans were so shocked that they were in the World Series, they didn’t have a chance to come up with BS chants and whatnot. They were just happy to be there and it showed as they were great cheering their team on.

Maybe that We Want Houston chant was for someone else.

Can't really blame the Astros fans and players mocking the Yankees chant. After all, didn't Yankees players mock Cleveland on the last out with "rock the baby"? Clearly it's not above them,lol

 

[FrankZ]

Here's the Philly version:

 

[yesrutgers01]

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Well- Houston was already in the WS before Philly. So, that is sort of a normal chant.

With the Yankees, it was more personal

 

[Doctor Worm]

 

[FrankZ]

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Yeah, personally not expecting him back.

 

[tico brown]

Here's the Philly version:

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I stand corrected. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[tico brown]

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Here’s a stupid take that I’m about to say but I wouldn’t be that broken hearted if deGrom leaves. Mets won 101 games without him most of the year and he (and everyone else) didn’t step up when all they needed was ONE win in Atlanta. Yea he’s a great pitcher but he is also injury prone and the Mets might be better off spending that money elsewhere on one or two other A level players.

If he stays, great. But he’s not worth 5 years, $200 M or whatever he’s looking for.

 

[FrankZ]

Here’s a stupid take that I’m about to say but I wouldn’t be that broken hearted if deGrom leaves. Mets won 101 games without him most of the year and he (and everyone else) didn’t step up when all they needed was ONE win in Atlanta. Yea he’s a great pitcher but he is also injury prone and the Mets might be better off spending that money elsewhere on one or two other A level players.

If he stays, great. But he’s not worth 5 years, $200 M or whatever he’s looking for.

Agreed. He broke my back when it really mattered this season at Oakland and Atlanta back to back - Oakland was borderline inexcusable.

 

[tico brown]

Agreed. He broke my back when it really mattered this season at Oakland and Atlanta back to back - Oakland was borderline inexcusable.

Damm forgot about Oakland. 🤦🏻‍♂️

 

[RUfinally2008]

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Alrighty then, there you have it, lol

 

[MadRU]

 

[rubaseball78]

Here’s a stupid take that I’m about to say but I wouldn’t be that broken hearted if deGrom leaves. Mets won 101 games without him most of the year and he (and everyone else) didn’t step up when all they needed was ONE win in Atlanta. Yea he’s a great pitcher but he is also injury prone and the Mets might be better off spending that money elsewhere on one or two other A level players.

If he stays, great. But he’s not worth 5 years, $200 M or whatever he’s looking for.

I agree. He’s become a 5-6 inning pitcher who makes 15 starts per year. Find better value elsewhere.

 

[yesrutgers01]

I agree. He’s become a 5-6 inning pitcher who makes 15 starts per year. Find better value elsewhere.

if he goes for a Mad Max contract- I think I still sign him. But no more than 3 years.

 

[tico brown]

if he goes for a Mad Max contract- I think I still sign him. But no more than 3 years.

Was Max a 2 or 3 year deal? No more than Max. At least he had a World Series ring.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Was Max a 2 or 3 year deal? No more than Max. At least he had a World Series ring.

Max has a three year deal, with an opt-out after two.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Was Max a 2 or 3 year deal? No more than Max. At least he had a World Series ring.

can't blame that on deGrom when over a 4 year period, he had a minus 2.00 era and only a 32-21 record.

 

[cicero grimes]

can't blame that on deGrom when over a 4 year period, he had a minus 2.00 era and only a 32-21 record.

I think it's time to move on from Jake. Love him but his 30 million due this year could be used for some other pieces. Max, cookie. Peterson and Megill can give you some decent starts. Add another pitcher and some depth pieces and go from there.
If we lose nimmo I could live with conforto coming back on a 2 year deal with an opt out. He could play center, albeit no where as well as nimmo, and add some power back to the lineup. Sign a late inning defensive specialist and you can make a go of it with canna and marte as the bookends.
Leave McNeil at 2b. Sign turner and let Escobar be the utility man and right handed dh. Focus everything else on the pen and look to make a deal for a starter at the deadline.

 

[tico brown]

can't blame that on deGrom when over a 4 year period, he had a minus 2.00 era and only a 32-21 record.

It’s true and I like DeGrom for what he’s done and how he represented the Mets. And yes he got screwed out of countless wins thanks to the Wilpons cheapness to field a legit NYC baseball team. But you have to start thinking 2022 and beyond with degrom, esp with the injuries he had last two seasons. IMO ( and I know I’m FOS), as long as he continues to throw 100+ mph every pitch, he will get hurt again. I know some people said here that you can’t dial back to 90-95 like a gas pedal. But his arm has been spaghetti since he started throwing his heat couple years ago.

That $40 M could go to two legit players who can help in 2023, not be on The List for half the year.

 

[tico brown]

I think it's time to move on from Jake. Love him but his 30 million due this year could be used for some other pieces. Max, cookie. Peterson and Megill can give you some decent starts. Add another pitcher and some depth pieces and go from there.
If we lose nimmo I could live with conforto coming back on a 2 year deal with an opt out. He could play center, albeit no where as well as nimmo, and add some power back to the lineup. Sign a late inning defensive specialist and you can make a go of it with canna and marte as the bookends.
Leave McNeil at 2b. Sign turner and let Escobar be the utility man and right handed dh. Focus everything else on the pen and look to make a deal for a starter at the deadline.

I don’t know if Guillorme is a FA or not. But if he’s still with the Mets, he would’ve been the Lefty IF Utility, great in this situation with Escobar being the righty. I know people love Vogelbach and I defended him, and he’s only $1.5 M. But he’s a waste of a roster spot. He really didn’t help much after the deadline and what does he play on the field? Mets should be past this Wilpon BS and get legit players.