ADVERTISEMENT

OT: Winter Is Nigh...Advisories up for 2-3" for most of CNJ/SNJ/NYC/SE-PA today (12/15)

yeah I think the outputs are worse than than what accumulates especially down the shore...NAM was particularly juicy down there but its almost always overdone. Key though is later in the afternoon we get more stickage and in the evening so thats when things deterioate...should impact travel to the RAC for hoops against FDU big time

still this forecast is far from certain since models have waffled all week so lets see what happens tonight and tomorrow morning before we really know anything...plus need to get more info on exact temps as well
 
Not one Philly station is calling for snow of any amount for Saturday. Snow shower maybe in Cape May area.
You are in mid-winter form already!

That's because all of the forecasts you saw were made before the 12Z model suite came in between about 11 am and 1:30 pm (the Euro, the best model, which shows several inches for most, especially along and east of I95, comes out lasst). I guarantee they're all calling for snow now, but little to no snow was the right call before today's model runs. Remember, though, you are on the western fringe, right now, of the accumulating snow - wouldn't take much for your 1-2" accumulation to become <1".

The only thing I did was look at the model output and when one sees near consensus for at least a few inches, it's not hard to know that the NWS and every other source is likely to change their forecasts to accumulating snow. I have the luxury of not having to vet my comments with anyone, whereas the pros need to take a bit more time to fully analyze the synoptic setup as well as the model output.

Could this all still change? Yeah, of course it could, as we're still 48 hours from the model inputs to today's model runs (7 am EST data set) to the start of projected accumulating snow on Saturday morning. But the closer one gets to the event, the more accurate the models become, which may sound obvious, but isn't obvious to everyone.

NWS maps are up - isn't this so much fun?

24796618_10212737157097830_7912113668948756570_n.jpg


24232079_10212737159937901_1702648448081896756_n.jpg
 
  • Like
Reactions: Postman_1
yeah I think the outputs are worse than than what accumulates especially down the shore...NAM was particularly juicy down there but its almost always overdone. Key though is later in the afternoon we get more stickage and in the evening so thats when things deterioate...should impact travel to the RAC for hoops against FDU big time

still this forecast is far from certain since models have waffled all week so lets see what happens tonight and tomorrow morning before we really know anything...plus need to get more info on exact temps as well

Agree on about all of this. Won't accumulate much during daylight hours with temps in the mid-30s and light intensity, but intensity is supposed to pick up after late morning and with the low sun angle, we'll see accumulations start, even on paved surfaces, when intensity gets to moderate - and with intensity projected to be at least decent through early evening, we'll definitely see some accumulations on paved surfaces after about 3 pm, as the sun goes down.

And yes, this is not a done deal yet, but we are getting pretty close to the event so the time for major changes is dwindling. Won't take much of a shift in track or intensity for NB, for example, to get only an inch or so or to get 4-6". Just need to see how it plays out.
 
But morning or evening? We were planning on getting our tree that morning up in NW Jersey.
Morning in NW NJ should be fine - light snow, but with colder temps, could see light accumulations on side streets - doubt you'll see much on any well traveled road before mid-afternoon.
 
But morning or evening? We were planning on getting our tree that morning up in NW Jersey.

You'll be fine. Start time is around noon for the I95 corridor, earlier as you go south and east. NW NJ should see little to nothing.
 
As stated earlier my concern is for festivities for the Army/Navy game. Hour before kickoff is key as that will determine parachute jumps and flyover. Unless winds are out of hand they will jump but cloud ceiling may affect any acrobatic maneuvers. Low ceiling is normally just jump and land.
I'm thinking this will be similar to Opening Day Yankees in 96. Above freezing snow, better than rain for sure
 
RGEM was on board for a 3-6 inch storm

verbatim GFS bumped its totals a bit extended snows amounts further west...,maybe 3-6 areawide

weenies on Americanwx are not concerned with mix or marginal temps, say it will be cold

see what the tonightsEuro and tomorrows runs bring
 
RGEM was on board for a 3-6 inch storm

verbatim GFS bumped its totals a bit extended snows amounts further west...,maybe 3-6 areawide

weenies on Americanwx are not concerned with mix or marginal temps, say it will be cold

see what the tonightsEuro and tomorrows runs bring

The Euro is pretty similar to the GFS and CMC giving a general 3-6" accumulation area wide, from Philly to NYC/LI/CT, even including NW NJ and most of eastern PA. And the UK is showing more like 6-10", but it's an outlier. Looking like a pretty high confidence forecast of 3-6" from Sat morning through the late evening, with the heaviest snow likely in the afternoon and evening. Roads will likely become snow covered by mid/late afternoon, as the weak sun this time of year comes close to setting. Pretty unlikely for this one to miss at this point.
 
Philly stations have 1-3 for most of the area. 3-6 only at shore counties.
 
I'll be heading from Newark to freehold sat morning. Looking forward to some snow. A little accumulation won't stall my plans/activities. Happy to have some snow. Keep us posted
 
URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ 544 AM EST Fri Dec 8 2017 NJZ008>010-012>015-PAZ070-071-102-104-106-082300- /O.CON.KPHI.WW.Y.0002.171209T0600Z-171210T0600Z/ Morris-Hunterdon-Somerset-Middlesex-Western Monmouth- Eastern Monmouth-Mercer-Delaware-Philadelphia-Eastern Chester- Eastern Montgomery-Lower Bucks- Including the cities of Morristown, Flemington, Somerville, New Brunswick, Freehold, Sandy Hook, Trenton, Media, Philadelphia, West Chester, Kennett Square, Norristown, Lansdale, Morrisville, and Doylestown 544 AM EST Fri Dec 8 2017 ...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 1 AM SATURDAY TO 1 AM EST SUNDAY... * WHAT...Snow expected. Plan on slippery road conditions. Total snow accumulations of 2 to 4 inches are expected. * WHERE...Portions of central, northern and northwest New Jersey and southeast Pennsylvania. * WHEN...From 1 AM Saturday to 1 AM EST Sunday. The heaviest snow accumulation should occur between 6 AM and 6 PM Saturday. * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Be prepared for reduced visibilities at times. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A Winter Weather Advisory for snow means periods of snow will cause primarily travel difficulties. Be prepared for snow covered roads and limited visibilities, and use caution while driving. The latest road conditions for the state you are calling from can be obtained by calling 5 1 1. $$
 
LONG TERM /SATURDAY THROUGH THURSDAY/...
00Z models have come in with a wetter, and even colder solution
with regards to the passage of the coastal low on Saturday.
Generally went with likely-categorical PoPs, which is inline
with previous forecast and latest model guidance, and also
increased QPF and snow amounts for the day Saturday. The
heaviest swath of precip is expected from the Delmarva through
southeast New Jersey with a general 1/2" to 2/3" QPF. Southern
Sussex county, Delaware, however, may pick up between 3/4" and
1" QPF, but there may be enough mixing to keep snow amounts
relatively down.

Snow develops across the Delmarva and southern New Jersey by
daybreak Saturday, with a quick 1-3" snow. Still some question
as to how much snow will accumulate in northeast Maryland,
given the bulk of precip should be just to the east, so left
them out of the Advisory for now, but it may be added this
afternoon if higher snow accumulations are possible.

Highest snow potential will be across southeast New Jersey,
where 4-6" snow likely to accumulate through Saturday evening.
Went ahead and issued a Winter Storm Watch mainly for areas
south of I-195. Possible for mixing along the immediate coast
that would inhibit snow from accumulating along the barrier
island. With lesser snow amounts to the north and west,
including the Philadelphia Metro area, also issued a Winter
Weather Advisory for those areas.

There is the potential for some mesoscale banding on Saturday,
but where it sets up remains to be seen. Most likely for I-95
corridor in NJ, and this could result in a swath of 6-8" of
snow, which is inline with our High End Amount - 10% Chance of
Higher Snowfall map.

Given that this looks to be a heavier, wetter snow, there is the
possibility for power outages due to downed power lines in the
swaths of heavier snow.

Snow tapers off from west to east fairly quickly Saturday
evening, and comes to an end around midnight Saturday night.
 
should be some issues for those heading to the RU-FDU game at the RAC. Have to see how much sticks to untreated surfaces during the day but as always with the first snowfall expect lots of headaches
 
thats why its best not to look at 5-7 day maps or talk about storms for next week. These things change alot...mets shouldnt even look at maps until 5 days in just to see the players because as we usually see most of the time the models change dozens of times
 
But why can't we have 100% accurate pinpoint forecasts 7 days out? We need and deserve to know the EXACT snow amount at least 7 days in advance in all locations. :rolleyes:
 
its all about ratings, generating hype and clicks.

didnt we survive in the 70s and 80s in respect to snowstorms without having days of day of model tracking. Storms either produced or they busted
 
As stated earlier my concern is for festivities for the Army/Navy game. Hour before kickoff is key as that will determine parachute jumps and flyover. Unless winds are out of hand they will jump but cloud ceiling may affect any acrobatic maneuvers. Low ceiling is normally just jump and land.
I'm thinking this will be similar to Opening Day Yankees in 96. Above freezing snow, better than rain for sure
becoming the annual Army-Navy Phila Game Snowfall event... yikes, still remember 2 years ago..
 
just great...was planning to go to family graves in N Bruns before the game to place grave blankets, then dinner in town with wife, then game. Hard enough to find the multiple graves without the snow...then there's the WIFE+SNOW+SPORTING EVENT factor...:grimace:
 
I'll hit the Hillsborough Deli tomorrow morning and inquire how many inches the MILF's think they will be getting.

I just moved into the area so I'll see you there to finally shape up the talent.
 
becoming the annual Army-Navy Phila Game Snowfall event... yikes, still remember 2 years ago..
There certainly been a few. Last year was clear blue skies and cold/windy. And an mid 90s game where it poured nonstop the whole game.
 
Even got 1-2" in far South Texas and near 5" just outside of Corpus Christi, as well as 1-2" in places like Baton Rouge and much of the deep south...just look at his map - snowfall in all of the pink/blue spots.

And today's 12Z models continue with the idea of an area-wide 3-6", with the higher amounts in that 3-6" range along and SE of I-95, except right at the immediate coast, where there will be more mixing, and the lower amounts of that range west of the Delaware in PA and in NW NJ (Sussex/Warren)/Lehigh Valley.

I'd expect the worst conditions from maybe 8 am to 6 pm in the NB area (a few hours earlier to the S/E and a few hours later to the N/E of there) and there will likely be some accumulation on untreated paved surfaces with moderate intensity and temps in the 32-34F range and the low sun angle, especially after about 2-3 pm.

24991144_10212742114221755_2316088098702446290_n.jpg
 
Turning nastier by the hour. I think we should drop a few tons of it on Numbers home in Metuchen
 
should be some issues for those heading to the RU-FDU game at the RAC. Have to see how much sticks to untreated surfaces during the day but as always with the first snowfall expect lots of headaches

We're still coming down for it! Taking the train to NB, so just have to worry about "the last mile" to the RAC.
 
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT