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OT: Working virtual, where to live on the East Coast

Hershey Pa was probably my favorite place I have lived in terms of ‘small town feel’ but with world class amenities.

Lots of great neighborhoods in Hershey and an awesome town. Obviously there’s the park and chocolate factory, but downtown Hershey is pretty fantastic in its own right.

There’s a great theater there, really nice bars/restaurants and downtown district, concert venue, etc. World Class Hospital, it’s 15 min from Harrisburg airport and right off of several interstates, you can get to Philly or Baltimore in 90 minutes.

Giant center is also a great place to watch a hockey game and you can’t beat sitting center ice in the 100’s for $30. Not to mention a BUNCH of great musicians go through Hershey. I saw Paul McCartney a few summers ago in Hershey

Maybe the one downside is it’s MAJOR Penn state territory but what are you gonna do? Lol
Hershey area is a great retirement location
 
You showed me…that you’re kind of thin-skinned.

And last I checked, when I talk into my phone it doesn’t misspell words. Might get the wrong word.
Not at all

I’ll banter w the best of them

It’s just that a lot of people on this board, due to longevity, post count, or brazenness behind a keyboard, need to be called out

But I do dislike stereotypes - you know, like all southern people are dumb, everyone from NJ is in the mafia, etc

They’re kind of… stupid actually. Rarely true. Create division. Not my cup of tea

I tend to spell check and proofread on work related projects.

A college football message board, masquerading as a playdate for a number of posters on here… not so much
 
It was 30 years ago, but at least in Wilmington, NC, there was a vocal group of people still fighting that war with little remarks. Yankee this, Yankee that. Nothing nasty, and not enough to bother us, but enough to notice and think WTF with some people, and just kinda weird. Maybe it's changed. It also may have changed, but remember NC had an "intangible property tax" on things like stocks and mutual funds. They get you with taxes one way or another.
It’s since been revoked, but up until a couple years ago Maryland had a ‘rain tax’ and taxed you for how much it rained in a given year (effort to clean up the bay). I can’t make that up…
 
People who self-righteously proclaim "spelling and grammar don't matter" go immediately into my mental trash bin.

Of course they do. They matter greatly. Attention to detail is attention to detail, regardless of how it's manifested. If you've got no time for spelling, punctuation, etc., then you probably have no time for analysis, reason and facts.
It’s a college fb msg board, not a thesis
If I am now, somehow banished to your famous, ignore list, or you will judge me merely based on the fact that I don’t spellcheck on a message board, I guess I will have to live with the consequences
 
Not exactly accurate. It’s not a knock on New Jersey as they do have great opportunities for those children but so does Maryland. Between Kennedy Kreager and Sheppard Pratt (both tied in with Johns Hopkins) Maryland offers one of the most advanced programs in the country for those with disabilities.

I have some experience with Kennedy Krieger. It has a very, very narrow focus - limited primarily to "soft cases" that are highly likely to produce positive outcomes from their methodology. There are definitely success stories, but the numbers are very small.

It does highlight a gap in New Jersey's overall support structure, though. NJ doesn't have a really good emergent clinical behavioral program. The closest is the notorious "4th floor" at Trinitas in Elizabeth and it's a f*ckin' nightmare. I would love to see that capability expanded here in NJ, because it's definitely an area of need.
 
It’s a college fb msg board, not a thesis
If I am now, somehow banished to your famous, ignore list, or you will judge me merely based on the fact that I don’t spellcheck on a message board, I guess I will have to live with the consequences

Doesn't matter if it's a college football message board.

You fight how you train.
 
Doesn't matter if it's a college football message board.

You fight how you train.
Thanks Rocky

I'll keep the spelling errors on my end while opening up my wallet for important things, like...NIL.

In my spare time, I'll try positively talking to others (friends, message board enthusiasts, etc.) about its merits, in hopes of seeing us competitive across the board.

To see us, you know.... actually try to win. You monitor the board for spelling, I'll handle the money.

Deal?
 
Thanks Rocky

I'll keep the spelling errors on my end while opening up my wallet for important things, like...NIL.

In my spare time, I'll try positively talking to others (friends, message board enthusiasts, etc.) about its merits, in hopes of seeing us competitive across the board.

To see us, you know.... actually try to win. You monitor the board for spelling, I'll handle the money.

Deal?

Conflation is the greatest of all logical sins.

I can be a season ticket holder in football and basketball, donate large sums of money to the program and still manage to write complete, well-structured sentences.

Life isn't about one thing or the other.
 
Conflation is the greatest of all logical sins.

I can be a season ticket holder in football and basketball, donate large sums of money to the program and still manage to write complete, well-structured sentences.

Life isn't about one thing or the other.
It definitely isn't
Though our priorities are certainly different

Whilst posting on my phone, no, I do not spell check
Mock me, shame me, lecture me, or ignore me... it is what it is and unlikely to change

My focus isn't on clowning others on a board where we all root for the same school. Moreover, I typically don't engage in slander unless provoked; it comes across to me as arrogant, holier than thou, and belittling.

I actually consider you one of the more knowledgeable posters, and often wondered what happened when you took a leave of absence. No bullshit - I enjoy your analysis on a wide range of topics and have taken your advice on a number of them (parochial school being at the forefront).

But for me, I'd rather focus my efforts on positive things; athletic dept. success, raising money, opportunities for athletes while in and after school.

Telling others, whom you've never met, are unlikely to ever meet, and chances are, would not say to that person should we ever meet, they are going in your "mental midget bin..." - not something I tend to do
 
Delaware would be my last option. People joke about Jersey but somehow Delaware gets a free pass because it’s so small and irrelevant.

Delaware gets real weird and trashy once you go below New Castle County.

Taxes are low but there’s a reason for that - there’s not much to offer and the infrastructure is lacking in parts of the state. My buddy lived in Middletown, DE (fastest growing area). The schools, local services and roads can’t handle what they are building down there - low taxes won’t last for long.
 
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Delaware would be my last option. People joke about Jersey but somehow Delaware gets a free pass because it’s so small and irrelevant.

Delaware gets real weird and trashy once you go below New Castle County.

Taxes are low but there’s a reason for that - there’s not much to offer and the infrastructure is lacking in parts of the state. My buddy lived in Middletown, DE (fastest growing area). The schools, local services and roads can’t handle what they are building down there - low taxes won’t last for long.
I've always viewed Delaware as a wildcard of sorts
Cheap, a tad warmer then here, less snow, no hurricanes, great beaches...what's the catch?

I think you nailed it. Not a lot of soul, not much to offer, lack of diversity/things to do

We often talk about possibly getting a place up north when we retire (finding the money for that is another story) and Delaware, for the summer, seems pretty reasonable

I imagine October - April would be a different story though
 
It definitely isn't
Though our priorities are certainly different

Whilst posting on my phone, no, I do not spell check
Mock me, shame me, lecture me, or ignore me... it is what it is and unlikely to change

My focus isn't on clowning others on a board where we all root for the same school. Moreover, I typically don't engage in slander unless provoked; it comes across to me as arrogant, holier than thou, and belittling.

I actually consider you one of the more knowledgeable posters, and often wondered what happened when you took a leave of absence. No bullshit - I enjoy your analysis on a wide range of topics and have taken your advice on a number of them (parochial school being at the forefront).

But for me, I'd rather focus my efforts on positive things; athletic dept. success, raising money, opportunities for athletes while in and after school.

Telling others, whom you've never met, are unlikely to ever meet, and chances are, would not say to that person should we ever meet, they are going in your "mental midget bin..." - not something I tend to do

No biggie. I'm not tryin' to dawg ya, dog. :) Simple fact is that I have a laundry list of pet peeves, as you no doubt are aware. Spelling and grammar are on the list because I've always considered language to be an overly neglected function of modern life.

You're still a solid dude, in my book. And I appreciate the kind words.
 
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I have some experience with Kennedy Krieger. It has a very, very narrow focus - limited primarily to "soft cases" that are highly likely to produce positive outcomes from their methodology. There are definitely success stories, but the numbers are very small.

It does highlight a gap in New Jersey's overall support structure, though. NJ doesn't have a really good emergent clinical behavioral program. The closest is the notorious "4th floor" at Trinitas in Elizabeth and it's a f*ckin' nightmare. I would love to see that capability expanded here in NJ, because it's definitely an area of need.
The whole program at Kennedy kreager has been expanded, my sister and cousin both work for them (sister a nurse, cousin a psychologist). Hopkins received a big grant a few years back and they are treating a whole new clientele in addition to those who they already treated. There is a separation though, Shepherd Pratt traditionally has worked with the ‘more challenging’ cases. Shepherd pratt has an amazing facility in Towson Md. it’s a full blown campus with probably 15 buildings on site. They have big tie in’s with the university medical system.

Again it’s not a knock on New Jersey at all as they and Maryland are at the very top of the list in terms of care for this population
 
I've always viewed Delaware as a wildcard of sorts
Cheap, a tad warmer then here, less snow, no hurricanes, great beaches...what's the catch?

I think you nailed it. Not a lot of soul, not much to offer, lack of diversity/things to do

We often talk about possibly getting a place up north when we retire (finding the money for that is another story) and Delaware, for the summer, seems pretty reasonable

I imagine October - April would be a different story though

I have relatives who moved to DE from FL. I've been there a few times, most recently for the wedding of my cousin's kid last April. It's not bad, but... as you said, there's just no soul.

Also, the wedding (which was held in a barn) was beer and wine, only. I showed up with a full bar set up in the trunk of my car. It was quite the smash.
 
Delaware would be my last option. People joke about Jersey but somehow Delaware gets a free pass because it’s so small and irrelevant.

Delaware gets real weird and trashy once you go below New Castle County.

Taxes are low but there’s a reason for that - there’s not much to offer and the infrastructure is lacking in parts of the state. My buddy lived in Middletown, DE (fastest growing area). The schools, local services and roads can’t handle what they are building down there - low taxes won’t last for long.
Newark isn’t bad if you don’t mind living in a ‘college town’. Wouldn’t be my first choice either but I’d live there in a heartbeat before I’d ever go back to jersey
 
I've always viewed Delaware as a wildcard of sorts
Cheap, a tad warmer then here, less snow, no hurricanes, great beaches...what's the catch?

I think you nailed it. Not a lot of soul, not much to offer, lack of diversity/things to do

We often talk about possibly getting a place up north when we retire (finding the money for that is another story) and Delaware, for the summer, seems pretty reasonable

I imagine October - April would be a different story though
I know a bunch of former residents from my town/area that retired to DE. The value prop for Delaware is the following:

1. Super cheap taxes
2. Close to Philly
3. Close enough for day trips to NJ (friends, family, RU)
4. Close to beaches (DE and SNJ)
 
I know a bunch of former residents from my town/area that retired to DE. The value prop for Delaware is the following:

1. Super cheap taxes
2. Close to Philly
3. Close enough for day trips to NJ (friends, family, RU)
4. Close to beaches (DE and SNJ)

The second one isn't a value-add. You should know better.
 
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The second one isn't a value-add. You should know better.
Meh. Overall Philly blows, but it does have a few nice museums. The new'ish Four Seasons on the top of the second Comcast building is excellent.
 
I don't get how people get to 40-50-60 and don't realize good things cost more money.

Yes, it's expensive to live in NJ. That's supply and demand, more demand, higher prices.

I understood this as a kid. I don't get how people get to adulthood thinking Florida or the Carolinas have solved the riddle of having to pay taxes.

Like 11 million of my compatriots I make the calculation that a little extra property and income tax is a trade off for solid infrastructure, the top ranking schools in America, the culture, the choice, the geography...everything.

If I was going to live anywhere else I'd live in Latin America for the winter. But always Jersey for part of the year.

And as always, if you don't like NJ, what kind of man hasn't gotten up and left? Pick up those bootstraps and get to stepping, paradise of Dollar General and chain restaurants and flooding in every rain storm and abysmal schooling- but muh low taxes and "personal" neighbors- awaits!
 
The second one isn't a value-add. You should know better.

Just because you hate Philly doesn’t mean it’s not a great city to head in for drinks, a great meal, show, event, museum etc.

Many people would choose going into Philly for a day vs. NYC
 
I don't get how people get to 40-50-60 and don't realize good things cost more money.

Yes, it's expensive to live in NJ. That's supply and demand, more demand, higher prices.

I understood this as a kid. I don't get how people get to adulthood thinking Florida or the Carolinas have solved the riddle of having to pay taxes.

Like 11 million of my compatriots I make the calculation that a little extra property and income tax is a trade off for solid infrastructure, the top ranking schools in America, the culture, the choice, the geography...everything.

If I was going to live anywhere else I'd live in Latin America for the winter. But always Jersey for part of the year.

And as always, if you don't like NJ, what kind of man hasn't gotten up and left? Pick up those bootstraps and get to stepping, paradise of Dollar General and chain restaurants and flooding in every rain storm and abysmal schooling- but muh low taxes and "personal" neighbors- awaits!
I agree that good things cost money. For many, it simply comes down to what they value

NJ has a lot to offer - 4 season, tons of diversity, tremendous food options, the best schools, close to NYC/Philly

I love warm weather, relaxed people, and college sports. So the diversity, food, schools, close to cities fact(s), though real, aren't imperative for me

My wife loves all of those aspects, sans the big cities being close. To her, living in NJ is fine and she'd be fine with it in retirement

That's why moving to the panhandle is a compromise IMO. You get all four seasons (though an abbreviated, milder winter and a longer, hotter summer).

Additionally, though I'd be fine w/staying there 12 months/year, it gets hot. Real hot. For extended periods. Due to that, having a place "up north," be it in the Carolina's, NJ, Delaware, New England, though not essential and certainly not cheap, would fit her needs for the summer

We'll see though. Still a ways to go and many variables. Where our child ends up, health, finances, her parents, etc. - but I'd rather try planning now then being left scrambling when it's time
 
Just because you hate Philly doesn’t mean it’s not a great city to head in for drinks, a great meal, show, event, museum etc.

Many people would choose going into Philly for a day vs. NYC

I don't generally feel compelled to do either. I go into NYC once in a while for dinner because I have a kid who lives there. I could go the rest of my life without seeing a Broadway show and still die happy.

It's not that I *hate* Philly, and please don't think that I do. It's just that it's a B-list city. In this country there's New York, then there's everything else. They're literally all the same. Sure, each has its own quirks and characteristics, but for the most part Philly, Chicago, Boston, etc. are indistinguishable.

I honestly don't much care for any of them - I'm not a "city guy".
 
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I agree that good things cost money. For many, it simply comes down to what they value

NJ has a lot to offer - 4 season, tons of diversity, tremendous food options, the best schools, close to NYC/Philly

I love warm weather, relaxed people, and college sports. So the diversity, food, schools, close to cities fact(s), though real, aren't imperative for me

My wife loves all of those aspects, sans the big cities being close. To her, living in NJ is fine and she'd be fine with it in retirement

That's why moving to the panhandle is a compromise IMO. You get all four seasons (though an abbreviated, milder winter and a longer, hotter summer).

Additionally, though I'd be fine w/staying there 12 months/year, it gets hot. Real hot. For extended periods. Due to that, having a place "up north," be it in the Carolina's, NJ, Delaware, New England, though not essential and certainly not cheap, would fit her needs for the summer

We'll see though. Still a ways to go and many variables. Where our child ends up, health, finances, her parents, etc. - but I'd rather try planning now then being left scrambling when it's time
The problem with NJ is that is used to be as great (or better) at a much cheaper price. Trenton and other govs royally screwed up everything. Our taxes are jacked not due to better services, but government stupidity. Many people don’t want to waste such money on principle, regardless if they can afford it or not.

This is why people are flocking to the Carolinas and FL.
 
I don't generally feel compelled to do either. I go into NYC once in a while for dinner because I have a kid who lives there. I could go the rest of my life without seeing a Broadway show and still die happy.

It's not that I *hate* Philly, and please don't think that I do. It's just that it's a B-list city. In this country there's New York, then there's everything else. They're literally all the same. Sure, each has its own quirks and characteristics, but for the most part Philly, Chicago, Boston, etc. are indistinguishable.

I honestly don't much care for any of them - I'm not a "city guy".

Philly, Chicago and Boston for the most part indistinguishable? Seriously?
 
Just because you hate Philly doesn’t mean it’s not a great city to head in for drinks, a great meal, show, event, museum etc.

Many people would choose going into Philly for a day vs. NYC
We go to Philly much more than NYC due to logistics and convenience. There is plenty to do for day trips or a few nights at the FS (which my daughter loves). I’m definitely not a city guy either, but a little change of pace is fine.
 
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Philly, Chicago and Boston for the most part indistinguishable? Seriously?
Yeah, don’t agree with that either. N Michigan Ave is the nicest part of any major city. I used to go there for business all the time. Stayed at the N Michigan Ave Marriott and always walked over to the Morton’s on Wacker (other side of the river). Boston is very unique in a bad way. That city is why there is an urban planning major. Its layout and development is incomprehensible and stupid as it gets. The only way to fix Boston is to burn most of it down and start over.
 
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Yeah, don’t agree with that either. N Michigan Ave is the nicest part of any major city. I used to go there for business all the time. Stayed at the N Michigan Ave Marriott and always walked over to the Morton’s on Wacker (other side of the river). Boston is very unique in a bad way. That city is why there is an urban planning major. Its layout and development is incomprehensible and stupid as it gets. The only way to fix Boston is to burn most of it down and start over.
Have you been to Baltimore where as you enter the city from the north on the JFX you are met with the welcoming sign of a gun with the saying ‘Have a gun, Pick a Room’ plastered on the gigantic city jail that is often regarded as one of the most corrupt in the country? Lol
 
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Hershey area is a great retirement location
it was awesome in my 20’s even. Honestly it was my favorite place I have lived. Might wind up back there in a few years as well.

That town is incredible really, it’s pretty astonishing how much money the Hershey Company reinvests back into the community. I took my wife up a couple months ago to the theater to see The Book of Mormon after dinner at a steak/seafood place called Devon which was EXCELLENT.

It’s also kinda amazing that the neighborhoods really are separated from the town in the sense that they don’t deal with much traffic, with a world class hospital down the street and entertainment that rivals a major city
 
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Yeah, don’t agree with that either. N Michigan Ave is the nicest part of any major city. I used to go there for business all the time. Stayed at the N Michigan Ave Marriott and always walked over to the Morton’s on Wacker (other side of the river). Boston is very unique in a bad way. That city is why there is an urban planning major. Its layout and development is incomprehensible and stupid as it gets. The only way to fix Boston is to burn most of it down and start over.

If you're between 18 and 28 Boston, with the possible exception of Austin (which I've never visited), is tops. Spend some time there and the layout becomes comprehensible.
 
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Portsmouth, New Hampshire. New Castle or Rye if you have the bucks. No income tax. No sales tax. No estate tax. Reasonable drive to Boston or Portland. On the ocean and 75 minutes to the White Mountains.
 
The problem with NJ is that is used to be as great (or better) at a much cheaper price. Trenton and other govs royally screwed up everything. Our taxes are jacked not due to better services, but government stupidity. Many people don’t want to waste such money on principle, regardless if they can afford it or not.

This is why people are flocking to the Carolinas and FL.
It's that, but also a combination of a few other things

1. Education system - still great, especially for alternative programs. But going downhill, and quickly

2. Taxes - keep going up. And up. And up. For what? Better schools? Better services? No and no, yet they keep increasing with no end in sight

3. Weather - the older I get, the more I detest the cold. We get a solid 6 months of good weather per year, if we're lucky. Mid-May through Mid-October, if that

4. Traffic, people, etc. - I sound like an old get off my lawn type, but it, and they, are getting increasingly worse. As a kid I thought it was normal. As an adult, no dice.

With all that being said, I love this place. I love Rutgers athletics. Love Monmouth County, Hunterdon County, the shore, tailgating at Shi, etc.

Wouldn't even mind spending the summer (Memorial Day - Labor Day) here (I much prefer New England, but those prices are out of control as well). We'll see where it goes.

But as my wife and I jointly concur, it's a much different place than it was 20/30 years ago. And regretfully, I don't see it going back to how it was; conversely, I only see it getting worse.

I hope I'm wrong. NJ was, and is, a great place to live. But I, and many others as evidenced by the mass exodus out (PA, DE, Carolina's, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, etc.) have clearly had enough
 
It's that, but also a combination of a few other things

1. Education system - still great, especially for alternative programs. But going downhill, and quickly

2. Taxes - keep going up. And up. And up. For what? Better schools? Better services? No and no, yet they keep increasing with no end in sight

3. Weather - the older I get, the more I detest the cold. We get a solid 6 months of good weather per year, if we're lucky. Mid-May through Mid-October, if that

4. Traffic, people, etc. - I sound like an old get off my lawn type, but it, and they, are getting increasingly worse. As a kid I thought it was normal. As an adult, no dice.

With all that being said, I love this place. I love Rutgers athletics. Love Monmouth County, Hunterdon County, the shore, tailgating at Shi, etc.

Wouldn't even mind spending the summer (Memorial Day - Labor Day) here (I much prefer New England, but those prices are out of control as well). We'll see where it goes.

But as my wife and I jointly concur, it's a much different place than it was 20/30 years ago. And regretfully, I don't see it going back to how it was; conversely, I only see it getting worse.

I hope I'm wrong. NJ was, and is, a great place to live. But I, and many others as evidenced by the mass exodus out (PA, DE, Carolina's, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, etc.) have clearly had enough


Mass exodus and one reason is there is too much traffic and people?

Are you trying to copy Yogi?
 
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It's that, but also a combination of a few other things

1. Education system - still great, especially for alternative programs. But going downhill, and quickly

2. Taxes - keep going up. And up. And up. For what? Better schools? Better services? No and no, yet they keep increasing with no end in sight

3. Weather - the older I get, the more I detest the cold. We get a solid 6 months of good weather per year, if we're lucky. Mid-May through Mid-October, if that

4. Traffic, people, etc. - I sound like an old get off my lawn type, but it, and they, are getting increasingly worse. As a kid I thought it was normal. As an adult, no dice.

With all that being said, I love this place. I love Rutgers athletics. Love Monmouth County, Hunterdon County, the shore, tailgating at Shi, etc.

Wouldn't even mind spending the summer (Memorial Day - Labor Day) here (I much prefer New England, but those prices are out of control as well). We'll see where it goes.

But as my wife and I jointly concur, it's a much different place than it was 20/30 years ago. And regretfully, I don't see it going back to how it was; conversely, I only see it getting worse.

I hope I'm wrong. NJ was, and is, a great place to live. But I, and many others as evidenced by the mass exodus out (PA, DE, Carolina's, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, etc.) have clearly had enough

Some of that depends on the individual situation. How many people are moving to Florida for the schools? But empty nesters?

Oh, and the weather. We don't get 6 solid months of good weather. We only get 2 stretches. April 1 - June 30, and September 1 - November 15. July and August only look good in comparison to Florida.
 
Mass exodus and one reason is there is too much traffic and people?

Are you trying to copy Yogi?
We have been regularly losing congressional districts for the past few decades. Looks like we are on track to drop to 11 in 2030.
 
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