Please stop replying to me. You know nothing about this toopic and you're the most annoying person in this thread.
OT: World Cup should be sudden death overtime as long as it takes.
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LOL Harry Kane says hold my Beer as does the two French players that could not score.
Why we cant block certain people form seeing posts is beyond me. That would stop all of the trolling.
A "good" pk taker puts it where the goalie can't reach. There are locations where the goalie can not reach. It was demonstrated many times in this world cup where the goalie guessed correctly but the velocity or the precise location prevented him from actually stopping it. It's not even close to a coin flip. Top guys blast shots into the top corners all the time. It's a skill and not many are elite.
the average conversion rate on PK's is ~75%. good/great PK takers are in the 80-90% range. when you go to a shootout, you're hoping for that <25% chance of happening. imo, the shootouts should be from the 18 yard, or even top of the D to make it more of an equal chance for the keepers.
Yes, that's what I said -- sometimes even when the goalie guesses correctly, the shot is too perfect to stop. Kudos to the shooter for that. But still, making the goalie have to guess to begin with makes it an unbalanced and unnatural way to decide the outcome, in my opinion.
I enjoy watching soccer, but agree with a lot of people here they've got to get rid of the penalty kicks to decide a game. I'll even take it a step further - they need to get rid of the point blank on goal penalty kicks during the game. That 3rd goal penalty kick by France could have changed the whole match - the penalty was not that egregious that it should have resulted in a point blank penalty kick on goal. When you are playing a game where the scoring is so low, you can't have a penalty basically result in a point blank shot on goal - changes the whole game and ruins the product. Have different tiers of penalties - if somebody does an obvious hand ball in front of the goal then maybe that should be the highest tier - ref's call.
My opinion for OT is to shrink the field and players every interval of minutes. Play a regular 15 minute OT - then start shrinking the field and taking players off at different intervals.
Also PLEASE stop with the clock counting up where nobody knows the time. I don't what the origin of this is but it may be the stupidest thing I've seen in sport. Start stopping the clock like they do in every other sport....and especially on one of these stupid fake injury things where the player makes it look like they're career has ended and then is up in a full out sprint 30 seconds later. Also agree with a previous poster - if you are down for more than 10-15 seconds you must sit out for an extended amount of time - problem solved!
I would be shocked if anything changed with soccer because they are so steeped in tradition - but man, they could make this such a better product with a few simple and obvious changes.
My opinion for OT is to shrink the field and players every interval of minutes. Play a regular 15 minute OT - then start shrinking the field and taking players off at different intervals.
Also PLEASE stop with the clock counting up where nobody knows the time. I don't what the origin of this is but it may be the stupidest thing I've seen in sport. Start stopping the clock like they do in every other sport....and especially on one of these stupid fake injury things where the player makes it look like they're career has ended and then is up in a full out sprint 30 seconds later. Also agree with a previous poster - if you are down for more than 10-15 seconds you must sit out for an extended amount of time - problem solved!
I would be shocked if anything changed with soccer because they are so steeped in tradition - but man, they could make this such a better product with a few simple and obvious changes.
that's like saying that they should get rid of placing the ball at the one yard line on DPI in the end zone in the NFL because it could change the outcome of a game. leaving the rules up for interpretation by refs is also a slippery slope. one ref can interpret intent one way in a game and another ref can interpret the same situation differently in another. calling it as uniformly as possible, just black and white, should be the aspiration. players know the rules.
reducing the number of players in OT and shrink the field....would you do that in basketball, baseball, football, or hockey? don't be ridiculous.
the clock counting thing is a nuisance for people watching the game. has no bearing on the way the game is played.
Can we all agree that the meat head who is constantly chiming in on soccer threads to trash the sport, most definitely has a small d1ck?
I mean how much more obvious can this clown be about it....
I mean how much more obvious can this clown be about it....
Coming from an American background, I've always believed in sudden death overtime as a fairer way to decide games.
FIFA actually tried sudden death for awhile a decade or two ago, as lloyde dobler mentioned above they called it "Golden Goal." I'm not sure if it was tried at the World Cup or the Euros, but It was pretty much despised everywhere in the world but North America.
I suppose it was a cultural thing, but people from other countries, including my Italian friends, actually thought it was inherently unfair because the other team didn't get a "fair chance" to win. No amount of arguing from me could convince them otherwise, 🙂 I guess it's a little like the arguments that led to the changes to the old NFL overtime rule when the team getting the ball first could kick a field goal to win the game.
Anyway, based on the international reaction to the Golden Goal experiment, I don't think we'll be seeing sudden death at the World Cup anytime soon. If there is ever going to be a chance of resurrecting it though, the 2026 World Cup in North America might be it.
FIFA actually tried sudden death for awhile a decade or two ago, as lloyde dobler mentioned above they called it "Golden Goal." I'm not sure if it was tried at the World Cup or the Euros, but It was pretty much despised everywhere in the world but North America.
I suppose it was a cultural thing, but people from other countries, including my Italian friends, actually thought it was inherently unfair because the other team didn't get a "fair chance" to win. No amount of arguing from me could convince them otherwise, 🙂 I guess it's a little like the arguments that led to the changes to the old NFL overtime rule when the team getting the ball first could kick a field goal to win the game.
Anyway, based on the international reaction to the Golden Goal experiment, I don't think we'll be seeing sudden death at the World Cup anytime soon. If there is ever going to be a chance of resurrecting it though, the 2026 World Cup in North America might be it.
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Lot of opinionated people who clearly never played competitive soccer ITT.
Soccer is a legit workout, you don’t sub unless something is up.
Soccer is a legit workout, you don’t sub unless something is up.
The big difference between DPI and a penalty kick in soccer is that each team almost always scores multiple times each in an NFL game. In soccer the scoring is extremely low and that one on goal penalty kick can be the only score of the game.
There is no need to reduce numbers/shrink the field in other sports because again scoring. But they do in fact shrink the field in college football OT, and I think it's a great idea. To have a game decided by something that really doesn't resemble what I watched leaves a bad taste in my mouth at the end. However, as another poster mentioned they tried this before in FIFA and it had negative feedback so they changed it back - whatever the fans want - and WE are certainly not their target audience.
The people watching the game ultimately pay the bills and is who you are trying to please. So I'm guessing a lot of people in the US are greatly annoyed by this, but if the rest of the world doesn't care and don't want change then it is what it is.
why should the number of times teams score matter? the rule are the rules - no handling the ball in the case of the WC final. in the case of putting the ball at the 1 on a DPI is that...hey, we expect you to score, but in the off chance that the defense stops you, good for them. this is no different than a penalty kick. in fact, the likelihood of scoring a TD from the 1 yard line is probably greater than the conversion rate of penalty kicks.
idea #2 is still ragingly stupid. playing a 7v7 shortened field soccer game for OT is in no way resembling the rest of the game. the game is played on an official sized pitch, 11 players each side (not counting players sent off for red cards). penalty kicks happen during the course of a game, so that is part of how the game is played. playing on a short field with fewer players does not.
Penalty kicks for inadvertent handballs when it didn't impact a scoring play is truly asinine. OT should be until someone scores. No change of players or other rules. Man up, score, and win. Not complicated.
Take away in game penalty kicks and you'll see the defense tackling anyone within shooting distance. Is that a better result? The end result would be even less scoring, lol.
I would raise the threshold level for penalty kicks during game play to a yellow card in the box rather than a simple foul in the box. As it currently stands, it's too low a bar to draw a potential penalty in the box. I understand this would result in more fouls of slight or modest nature from more aggressive play by defenders in the box, but that seems more fair in terms of relative risk/reward to secure a penalty chance. It would only be awarded at the level of a yellow card elsewhere (outside the box) on the field. Part of my view on this is formed by the incessant diving in the box for the slightest contact.
Forget penalty kicks. I think in extra time they should be able to use their hands
then we're talking a ton of tactical fouls. take a guy out as he makes his run into the box. pull on the shirt as a guy goes up for a header. shoulder barge into the back or a kick to the knee if a guy has any chance of getting past you. scoring would go way down. way way way down.
If memory serves, that was the MLS rule when the league was first established in 1996. But FIFA demanded that the US bring its league into conformance with FIFA standards, which it did.
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I have to say, the clock rules are ridiculous. To not know how much time is left in a half is so dumb.
Not sure I understand? You need to stay onside up until the top and once the ball is in the box offsides doesn't matter. To your point about the scramble, I agree - I think most times you would get more goals counting that are taken off the board due to the technicality. This would result in more goals, probably more desperation which would then feed even more goals. So if you are believer that scoring = good, I think it might be worth an explore for some soccer league to pilot
But it's a catch 22, Trying to get the perfect shot sometimes results in missing/hitting the post/bar. That's where the mind games come in with how aggressive one should be.
What happens if a guy who has the ball in the box either on the wing or at the top of the 18 weaves back outside the box for a touch when playing the ball back into the box? Are the other guys offside? Also, the offside rule was created to enable more scoring, not less.
Maybe FIFA can hire Huron Consulting if they are not too busy.
On you mark...get set...terrible
On you mark...get set...terrible
Fair point on reduced scoring though on 2 of the 3 scenarios you mentioned I believe a yellow card would be drawn and a penalty awarded. Only the shirt pull/tug seems not enough for a yellow, imo.
Appreciate the counterpoint though. I just hate the cheap fouls, or in many cases, non fouls (seemingly more than the rare yellows given for diving) that can swing and heavily impact the outcome of what is a generally low scoring game.
Huron: So how about this... instead of penalty kicks, what if the teams keep playing?
FIFA: Go on...
It's a difficult issue to try to solve. I find the lack on consistency on foul calling extremely frustrating. If the ref of the finals was officiating the France-England game, we would have seen England awarded 2 more penalties kicks and 2 or 3 more free kicks.
