Sorry bud, if u believe Joe Paterno to be on the same level as Hitler or Stalin, I really don't need to hear what else u have to say
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Sorry bud, if u believe Joe Paterno to be on the same level as Hitler or Stalin, I really don't need to hear what else u have to say
Never said that. Don't think the poster ever said that either.
Just used Hitler as a possibility of someone who may have done good things in their life before they were bad.
YES! He was one of the most dangerous criminals in the history of the state of Pennsylvania. I absolutely believe he set up the Second Mile simply as a breeding ground for potential new prey and then stayed in the area where he knew he had limitless access to potential victims based on his (at the time) sterling reputation in the community. Keep in mind and it's hard to remember this but Sandusky was loved and respected in State College before any of the scandal came out.
He was well respected in the community and had he gone elsewear as a serial pedophile he would have had far less access to at risk children at another school. I 100% believe this to be the reason why he retired in 99' rather than taking another HC job at a different school considering what we know now.
That's a far less ludacris jump then to accuse high ranking officials at PSU including Paterno of having secret closed door meetings that there is Zero proof of actually occuring
Did you read the Bernstein article that I referenced.
There are a lot more people (other than this board) that believe the speculation.
I personally would like the PA Attorney General to reinvestigate this whole case and bring in all the new people mentioned ( 6 assistant coaches, victims from 1971, 1976 etc) and have them testify under oath as to what they witnessed, heard etc. and let the chips fall where they may.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
The reports that came out last week about Paterno being told from a child that he was abused by Sandusky in 1971, and another one in 1975..you just don't believe that? Or you believe, but don't think Paterno did anything wrong?
Then the separate report of Paterno telling the kid in the 70s to drop the charges? I guess u just don't believe that one either?
Just curious.
Those can't be true because that would directly implicate Paterno. Does. Not. Compute.
So the emails alluding to what should be done don't strike you as a POSSIBLE cover up?!?
You completely skipped over the question of whether or not Sandusky could pull off these acts WITHOUT help. I'm telling you right now, I do not believe so. I don't think much happened on campus that Joe didn't know about, so the leap of faith is yours not mine.
I think a very positive, personal impression of Paterno has clouded your ability to see this through a prism of rational thought.
Obviously, YOU are the voice of reason, and every person arguing with you is the looney. Sure . . . . that makes more sense.
You have to admit the sin before asking forgiveness. The Paterno's JoeBots, and most of NitNation, deny, deflect, deceive. The Monster is not dead. His memory lives on promoted by people like you. You want to tell us we need to respect that. We say no we don't.
What's a "Physical" crime? So aiding and abetting, accessory after the fact or conspiracy are not crimes? Or is this the "No PA charges or conviction = morally clean" defense?
IF is not the question. We have the Curley email in public record. Who, how much, and for what end are the only outstanding questions.
We have mechanisms to deal with that here on earth. One of them is scorn, that is what you are getting here. Another is individual financial liability if the insurance company succeeds in showing these agents of the State University are responsible. Oh, yeah, there are the remaining criminal charges also. They haven't gone away despite your best efforts to ignore them.
As a man of faith you seem to have missed the first point here. Pretty standard Judeo-Christian stuff. Hope you are as merciful to all sinners, not just winning football coaches.
No, we have criminal and civil courts, regulatory groups like the NCAA, all of which you reject if their findings counter your preconceived notions. And again social recrimination is an important tool for civilization.
If any Nit fan is spending more time defending the memory of Paterno than helping the victims of this conspiracy they should feel bad.
Again you are the Troll in this conversation.
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I have a hard time believing those reports when the president of the university wrote a letter to the students alumni explaining how the allegations were false. I find the president of PSU to be a much better source than a newspaper
You seem to have a hard time believing anything that paints PSU in a bad way..
Don't get all up in arms when others think otherwise, as there's plenty of evidence that may support its truth. .
The newspaperS (multiple by the way...) only reported that there were allegations. They never said the allegations were true or false... because how could they know?
The president, on the other hand, is the one stating whether he definitively knows the allegations are true or false. Now you may decide that you just believe him because that's what you want to believe, but his position is definitely a tougher one to support.
Is DNA denying that the grad assistant told Paterno that something of a sexual nature occurred
in the showers between Sanduskey and a child?
Because if Paterno was told he had a moral obligation to make sure the police were called. PERIOD.
Either Joe or McQueery should have been calling the police that day. PERIOD.
The e-mails sure make it look like Joe changed the plan.
And why did he do that?
Was it because he already knew?
These new reports lead us that way.
in the showers between Sanduskey and a child?
Because if Paterno was told he had a moral obligation to make sure the police were called. PERIOD.
Either Joe or McQueery should have been calling the police that day. PERIOD.
The e-mails sure make it look like Joe changed the plan.
And why did he do that?
Was it because he already knew?
These new reports lead us that way.
All I would need to happen for this to occur would be the school admitting they knew about this long before anyone else did. An admission that the Joe in the email was JOPA and it was HIS decision to not pursue the agreed upon action. They would have to admit that all of their decisions were 100% based on Football as well as financial implications. After that nothing else they say would matter. They could keep their statues, 409 crap, and whatever other lure they want. The whole world(ourtside of JOEBOTS like yourself) will finally have closure that your beloved University chose a monster and football over children's safety. WE ARE............
McQueary testified Joe's reaction to hearing of the shower incident was to say to McQ, very matter of factly: "I'm sorry you had to see that."
That's the reaction of a man who had a secret revealed
That's the reaction of a man who had a secret revealed
Man... you can have video tape of JoePa's involvement or a secret tape recording of him admitting a cover up, these Penn state foofs will always bow down to their God no matter what because he's dead... or contacted people "above him"... or built a library... or was nice to their uncle's cousin's friend's son back in 1989... or won 409 games wearing those plain, pure Lilly white uniforms in Central Pennsylvania.
But yet Ray Rice shall never see the light of day ever again for his ONE incident in their opinion. (FOR, yes Rice ROYALLY SCREWED UP BIG TIME. But at least there's no known cover up for any other known transgressions by him in his past unlike those in the early 70s).
But yet Ray Rice shall never see the light of day ever again for his ONE incident in their opinion. (FOR, yes Rice ROYALLY SCREWED UP BIG TIME. But at least there's no known cover up for any other known transgressions by him in his past unlike those in the early 70s).
PSU spokesman admitted that Sandusky claims were indeed paid out for incidents dating back to the 70s. Obviously, PSU found these claims to be credible if they paid them when the statute of limitations had long passed. And that was the right thing to do for a credible claim if PSU really wants to make things right.
There's no way that St. Joe didn't know if Sandusky was doing this stuff for 30 years.
There's no way that St. Joe didn't know if Sandusky was doing this stuff for 30 years.
I just saw this from the USA Today website. SIAP but isn't this proof... The settlement covered a 1971 incident.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...tlements-jerry-sandusky-joe-paterno/84125254/
This.
Something DNA 22 can't understand. JoPa and his crew were enablers in the worst way.
How is his position harder to believe? In America people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. No one has proven PSU to be guilty of anything in relation to these new reports that surfaced this week. And I sincerely doubt PSU's new prez whose been on the job for such a short period of time would stick his neck out like he did if he wasn't sure of the outcome. Just my opinion, you are entitled to yours
The fact PSU a knowledges paying settlements to victims since 1971 is pretty damaging.
They knew something was up since 1971.
But what if that isn't true? Should they just make that up to appease you? Every party involved (Spanier, Curley, Schultz, Paterno) have emphatically denied any wrong doing and there has been 5 years to provide definitive proof that what u are claiming IS in fact true and no such evidence has been provided.
So the parties involved have denied it, the school has denied it, the president has denied it. There is ZERO definitive proof that any kind of cover up occurred and you want them to admit what the did was wrong?
Did You see the 30 for 30 on the Duke lacrosse scandal a month ago where the newspaper editor called for almost the exact same thing u are above (an admission of guilt) but when the process played out it turned out that these boys had done nothing wrong? I'm not saying that the higher ups at PSU did or did not conceive a cover up but what I DO know is that NONE of us on this message board know for sure. I've never subscribed to the jury of public opinion where people are declared guilty until proven innocent which is EXACTLY what you are doing vk
But we have no idea if that 1971 report is true. Their own president says it isn't. So until I see a report outlying what exactly is going on with the 1971 incident, I will reserve judgement on that
Well..PSU confirmed there paying victims of the abuse..and they confirm these victims go back since 1971.
Connecting the dots..seems like at least the school now is acknowledging this abuse likely happened..that's my opinion.
It very well could have. It's well documented that there only 8 boys involved with the trial but PSU has paid settlements to 32 victims at least. This why they have paid out $92 million so far instead of the $60 million initially made in the settlement. At the time of the trial penn state even issued a statement that they expected further victims to come forward and that has happened, one of which was this 1971 case. So in fact we do know that the school is admitting that there was a victim from that year and they have compensated him just like the others that have come forward after the initial trial.
BUT THAT'S ALL WE KNOW, we don't know who was involved in this 1971 case beyond Sandusky if anyone was. It's ENTIRELY possible that the 1971 case was one of about 20 other boys (shows how sick Sandusky really is) where Jerry did awful things on Campus that no one else knew about. Why is it that just because a settlement was made for another potential victim that instantly Joe Paterno knew about that one as well? That's just a stupid way of thinking no disrespect
Dan Wetzel (Yahoo Sports) BLASTS State Pedd President:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/penn-s...test-jerry-sandusky-revelation-212824533.html
DNA - you've gotta be the most naive person on the planet to think that these guys DIDN'T know what was going on. Com'on man!
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/penn-s...test-jerry-sandusky-revelation-212824533.html
DNA - you've gotta be the most naive person on the planet to think that these guys DIDN'T know what was going on. Com'on man!
No disrespect taken...this is called a discussion. And yes, I agree that would be a stupid way of thinking.
It's not just because of the settlement that I think that. Have u not read the thread? It's more than just the settlement.
The CNN report, the report in Pennlive. The separate report saying Paterno told an accuser to drop the accusations. All this leads me to believe there's more than we know. Just my opinion.
Not accusing u of thinking this way..but I think a real dumb way of thinking is believing Paterno couldn't have "known" just cause he did good things for the University.
Yes and someday OJ will find the real killer.:cool2:
Paterno knew and the payout should have caused Sandusky to be let go.
Any benefit of doubt should have ended in 1998 when Sandusky was investigated again .
Then you have the 2001 molestation that GA seen and reported.
Try all you like to spin it that Paterno and the others didn't enable a child molester, but the evidence, though circumstantial shows that Sandusky's actions were known by Paterno and the PSU leadership since the 70s and they chose to remain silent and keep Sandusky around the program in different capacities
Reppin__JoeScum'sDNA
Spin your BS on the BWI where they also defend Joe the Enabler
You really think DNA might be naive .
Maybe you're right and it's not a Cult troll like I think it is.
We're gonna have to agree to disagree man. I'll take the word of a university president over a yahoo sports writer every day of the week. We aren't going to agree on the subject Nuts because I don't believe in declaring people guilty until proven innocent. We will never agree in that aspect and until there are definitive charges and proof brought forward in relation to these other men, also based on the info that is public knowledge (some on here jump through major hoops to form their conclusions) I can't say one way or another whether a cover up occurred but as a human I would give the benefit of the doubt to Joe based on how he lived his life and his charitable contributions. Feel free to disagree with me and we can metaphorically shake hands, agree to disagree and move on
I haven't seen these points mentioned in this exhaustive thread but here is even more to chew on-
- Eric Barron, the current Ped President, was the President of FSU when they covered up Jameis Wilson's extracurriculars among others. It is no surprise he was brought in as he knows how to deal with fans that care more about football than rape.
- The original prosecutor who looked into Sandusky in Centre County disappeared and his body was never found.
We have only begun to scratch the surface of the cesspool know as State College.
And even still the FACT is Joe was told of sexual activity, testified that he told his bosses after waiting a weekend and then did NOTHING FOR A DECADE while Sandusky strolled campus.
The Cult can't have it both ways...even before the latest, Joe testified under oath he knew and he never did anything but tell his boss, and they think it's "success with honor"...
- Eric Barron, the current Ped President, was the President of FSU when they covered up Jameis Wilson's extracurriculars among others. It is no surprise he was brought in as he knows how to deal with fans that care more about football than rape.
- The original prosecutor who looked into Sandusky in Centre County disappeared and his body was never found.
We have only begun to scratch the surface of the cesspool know as State College.
And even still the FACT is Joe was told of sexual activity, testified that he told his bosses after waiting a weekend and then did NOTHING FOR A DECADE while Sandusky strolled campus.
The Cult can't have it both ways...even before the latest, Joe testified under oath he knew and he never did anything but tell his boss, and they think it's "success with honor"...
Madhat ur known as a poster who just simply hates everything about penn state well beyond the scandal and labels anyone who doesn't crucify them like you do a troll. Ur opinion means nothing.
Nuts on the other hand is a poster who is well documented to stand up for what he believes in regardless if it's against the grain of the board. I respect that. He's one of the best posters on this board and it got to the point that too many people were crying when he would tell the truth about RU and he ended up getting banned because too many posters like you, Madhat, don't want to hear anything that isn't right in line with ur beliefs.
So because the guy did not do enough even though you or I have no idea of what his superiors told him after he reported to him (they very well could have told him it was a non issue and a misunderstanding, pedofiles are well known to be pathological and incredibly convincing liars) you believe that should dictate his entire life? So just throw out the fact that he positively impacted the lives of THOUSANDS of people and just focus on the negatives...
No disrespect man, but fans like you suck. If your mind is so made up about penn state then why are you commenting? U made that last comment with other intention than to hurt anyone from psu who reads it. What a shitty thing to do
