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DNA22 said:
If I may, I think what theRU was trying to say to use your words is that invading Iraq is not something that's discussed here, pretty much no law suits are discussed on this board besides the Penn State story and any that are normally disappear after a day or two.

The Penn State discussion on this board has been going on for 5 years with no end in sight. I can understand wanting to come to this board to read about Rutgers 5 years from now and being annoyed that the same posters are still making the same arguments about penn state looking for anyone who will listen
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It will fade into the background when no new information/allegations come about. There were just new developments within the last few days, so I think it's understandable that it's going to be discussed. Also a good percentage of the posts in this thread are rebuttals of your very vehement defense of Paterno... Maybe your posts engender a response...?

Try to google "Paterno" and tell me the first 5 things that come up... It's all related to the recent items. This is not some obscure story. There was a New York Times editorial on this just yesterday. Like it or not, it's in the national consciousness, and we're in the same B1G division. It's not that hard to see why it's being discussed here.
 
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srru86 said:
You got to stop pretending Second Mile was something other than an adjunct of the PSU football program.All the board members were friends of Joe including business partners. The key deliverable of the charity was access to PSU football. Nearly all the supporters and volunteers had some level of tie-in to the program including many players.
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Umm ok? What does that have to do with what I wrote? The Second Mile was established by Sandusky and very much was his charity that it turned out he used in a sick twisted way to lure victims. People don't immediately assume that when someone wants to start a charity that their intentions are bad. There's tons of interviews from people who worked for second mile who were shocked by the allegations, it's the same as when people find out their neighbor was the BTK killer and were shocked that that could happen right under their nose.

Sandusky is an extremely dangerous criminal who for years covered his bases in order to carry out his crimes, we also know that the source he used to find his victims was in fact his own charity, the second mile... that we know for a fact.

What I don't understand is why it's easy for some of you to assume that Joe and these other officials came up with this grand cover up of which cannot possibly be confirmed or denied, but a KNOWN child molester who had a rotating door of victims that he could access through his charity right in his town wouldn't want to leave such a convenient set up particularly when he was such an extreme criminal and it was easy for him... It makes no sense
 
RU4Real said:
I don't feel compelled to argue the substance of your posts in this thread because they're wrong.

What I'm doing is questioning why somebody who allegedly sat in silence on the sidelines for five years suddenly jumps headlong into the debate for the sole purpose of defending Joe Paterno. Badly.

I think perhaps it's not OUR motives you should be questioning.
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Then why may I ask are you talking to me? Feel free to scroll down or put me on ignore... Won't offend me one bit and problem solved.
 
DNA22 said:
Then why may I ask are you talking to me? Feel free to scroll down or put me on ignore... Won't offend me one bit and problem solved.
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Because I was here first. By a lot. And your insistent defense of a guy who enabled a pedophile for what now appears to be the better part of 35 years is offensive.

I've been polite so far. If it should come to pass that I cease feeling magnanimous toward you and, simultaneously, come up with some amount of free time, it will go badly for you.
 
DNA22 said:
Did u also notice how I wrote that anyone who joins this board who has a differing view from the old guard (the same 15 or so posters who are on here every day) normally gets called a troll and doesn't last very long this why u see covert few new active posters?

Most of them just leave when they see the rest of you just want to beat them down with how wrong they are in your opinion. Consider me stubborn that I'm willing to endure all the crap that's been said about me that are BLATENT rule violations on this board and just turn the other cheek. Perhaps I just wish to share a different viewpoint that I believe to be much more mature. I don't know why some of you insist on arguing with everything someone who doesn't agree with u says.
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Guys, don't you see what's going on here? Member since 5/2/16, it's Reppin_Jerz, aka Reppin jerk. Constant PSU defender, no matter how many crimes committed. Reppin jerk hasn't posted in over 2 weeks, and this guy steps , no fooling us Clark Kent
 
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RU4Real said:
Because I was here first. By a lot. And your insistent defense of a guy who enabled a pedophile for what now appears to be the better part of 35 years is offensive.

I've been polite so far. If it should come to pass that I cease feeling magnanimous toward you and, simultaneously, come up with some amount of free time, it will go badly for you.
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Ok well here's where we fundamentally disagree. U are convinced that Joe knew everything that was going on and took steps to make sure none of it got into public.

I don't believe that at all. So obviously we aren't going to agree on this matter. So we just agree to disagree and move on with our lives. Let's be adults here and not cry "but but but I was here first!" What are you 2 years old? Come on man
 
DNA22 said:
Umm ok? What does that have to do with what I wrote? The Second Mile was established by Sandusky and very much was his charity that it turned out he used in a sick twisted way to lure victims. People don't immediately assume that when someone wants to start a charity that their intentions are bad. There's tons of interviews from people who worked for second mile who were shocked by the allegations, it's the same as when people find out their neighbor was the BTK killer and were shocked that that could happen right under their nose.

Sandusky is an extremely dangerous criminal who for years covered his bases in order to carry out his crimes, we also know that the source he used to find his victims was in fact his own charity, the second mile... that we know for a fact.

What I don't understand is why it's easy for some of you to assume that Joe and these other officials came up with this grand cover up of which cannot possibly be confirmed or denied, but a KNOWN child molester who had a rotating door of victims that he could access through his charity right in his town wouldn't want to leave such a convenient set up particularly when he was such an extreme criminal and it was easy for him... It makes no sense
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Covered his bases?

We aren't talking about some KGB master spy.

There was enough smoke surrounding the whole thing to make Laremy Tunsil giggle.
 
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DNA22 said:
Ok well here's where we fundamentally disagree. U are convinced that Joe knew everything that was going on and took steps to make sure none of it got into public.

I don't believe that at all. So obviously we aren't going to agree on this matter. So we just agree to disagree and move on with our lives. Let's be adults here and not cry "but but but I was here first!" What are you 2 years old? Come on man
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It's funny (and a little sad) that that's all you got out of my post.
 
DNA22 said:
I don't believe that at all. So obviously we aren't going to agree on this matter. So we just agree to disagree and move on with our lives. Let's be adults here and not cry "but but but I was here first!" What are you 2 years old? Come on man
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How do you go from "let's be adults here" and then call the guy a 2 year old?
 
mikershoein said:
Guys, don't you see what's going on here? Member since 5/2/16, it's Reppin_Jerz, aka Reppin jerk. Constant PSU defender, no matter how many crimes committed. Reppin jerk hasn't posted in over 2 weeks, and this guy steps , no fooling us Clark Kent
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15 post in 6 days, all PSU- great to see you again Reppin. Jerk, out so called fan that lied on his first post in February, went to school at Gonzaga then transferred to Rider (says he spurned RU, I'm sure he got wait listed or rejected) as RU Husky would say" go away you Putz"

Ps- let's see a pic of your cousin with joepa from 2005, I call bs
 
PhilaPhans said:
How do you go from "let's be adults here" and then call the guy a 2 year old?
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Ok u guys win . Obviously anything I say is going to get refutted and taken out of context so congrats u win. Hope u feel good about yourself
 
DNA22 said:
Ok well here's where we fundamentally disagree. U are convinced that Joe knew everything that was going on and took steps to make sure none of it got into public.

I don't believe that at all. So obviously we aren't going to agree on this matter. So we just agree to disagree and move on with our lives. Let's be adults here and not cry "but but but I was here first!" What are you 2 years old? Come on man
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Hey Dna22, where were you born ? What college football team where you a fan of since birth?
 
mikershoein said:
15 post in 6 days, all PSU- great to see you again Reppin. Jerk, out so called fan that lied on his first post in February, went to school at Gonzaga then transferred to Rider (says he spurned RU, I'm sure he got wait listed or rejected) as RU Husky would say" go away you Putz"

Ps- let's see a pic of your cousin with joepa from 2005, I call bs
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Email me at thisguy31690@yahoo.com

Not going to put my families pic up on this board just so some of you can bash it but I'll be happy to prove the validity of any of this.

Btw no idea who reppin jersey is but it is kinda funny that you all are trying to convince yourselves that it's the same person using multiple user names instead of the fact that there might actually be a lot of Rutgers fans out there who think differently than u.
 
theRU said:
I posted to respond...like i'm doing now so please drop this silly notion that i shouldn't post here anymore. I have a very coherent position, which i've explained. Just because you are offended or disagree doesn't change my point. Please continue with your discussions on this subject, I just hope this doesn't turn into a PSU dumpster fire thread, because i've been critical of the Cuse board and I dont want the pot calling the kettle black.

You missed my point of a fundraiser. I suggested it because of its ability to gain notoriety and raise awareness. It would also put PSU in a terrible PR situation. It might be more effective than posting about Paterno 5000 times on a message board only seen by 30K people ( being generous)
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Sorry to drag you into this. If you were disinterested in this topic to begin with, you must be downright bored to death by now, despite your seventh post on the topic.

I see these boards as a place to get information, state opinions and kill time, so your last paragraph seems completely misguided... I have no desire to start said fundraiser, nor do I harbor delusions that what you or I write has any effect on the world outside of this board. So I don't care that these posts are only seen by 30k people... I find it deeply ironic that a poster with 2000+ more posts than myself would even bring this up.
 
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DNA22 said:
Email me at thisguy31690@yahoo.com

Not going to put my families pic up on this board just so some of you can bash it but I'll be happy to prove the validity of any of this.

Btw no idea who reppin jersey is but it is kinda funny that you all are trying to convince yourselves that it's the same person using multiple user names instead of the fact that there might actually be a lot of Rutgers fans out there who think differently than u.
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Ok, solid response - dna, no need to bring personal emails into it.

Sadly you sound a lot like this asshole that invades our board on every topic, maybe this one is just yours , but the coincidence is striking. My apologies for the mistaken identity
 
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mikershoein said:
Hey Dna22, where were you born ? What college football team where you a fan of since birth?
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I was born at Southern Ocean hospital in Manahawkin and growing up my favorite college sports team was the New York Jets. (I didn't start following college football closely until I went to college)
 
This checks out, move along .

I know stop and frisk is no longer allowed by cops, but I was suspicious , again my mistake

Reppin jerk could never answer as clear and direct as you did
 
mikershoein said:
Ok, solid response - dna, no need to bring personal emails into it.

Sadly you sound a lot like this asshole that invades our board on every topic, maybe this one is just yours , but the coincidence is striking. My apologies for the mistaken identity
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It's all good. Once football season approaches that's all u will hear me talk about is the football team, but it's the offseason and yes I do still have respect for Paterno and I don't think it's right to beat the dead horse (literally, he's dead) over and over again when yes there are still people who respect him and u know what, if that's what makes them happy then let them be happy. We haven't had the heart to tell my cousin all that's happened at PSU (again, she's autistic so she number one wouldn't understand and number 2 would be devastated to hear someone bash her hero).

I really wasn't kidding when I say that I respected the man in the same light as most of the country (aside from UNC) respects Coach K at Duke and yes before the scandal, Joe Paterno was in that category.

The most important thing involving all of this occurred the day Sandusky went to Jail. As for the rest of them, they did not commit any physical crime against any victim but if they did in fact conspire a cover up, it's something they will have to live with and answer to their maker about. I don't know about some of u but I feel very strongly in my faith that when we all meet our maker, only he can judge us. But it's not up to me, you or anyone else to judge the fate of others and if Joe makes some of their fans happy still, why do u and others care so much as to troll them telling them how awful he was just to attempt to make them feel bad about someone they respect. Imo that's just being a shitty person when ur sole reason of posting or saying something is to make others feel bad
 
Paterno definitely raped children himself, along with other coaches, administrators, professors, and possibly students. Sandusky was just the fall guy.
 
Rutgers1 said:
Paterno definitely raped children himself, along with other coaches, administrators, professors, and possibly students. Sandusky was just the fall guy.
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Haha I don't think your too far off on how some of the members on the board are convinced
 
mikemarc1 said:
Not sure what's funny about any of this. But yes, he's obvious VERY far off...nothing to joke about.
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Loosen up a bit will u? I swear too many times people are so serious about penn state as the 'enemy' and we hate them because we hate child abuse... Give me a break.

I'd respect it a hell of a lot more if the extremists on this board would stop with the high and mighty routine and just simply admit that they just don't like penn state and want to bash them. I wouldn't necessarily agree with them but I sure as hell would respect them for being honest. Some on here I believe use the scandal just simply as the ammo to bash penn state similar to how I (jets fan) bash Patriots fans for having deflated balls.

Sure u can make the argument that it isn't the case and it's because u care about the victims but considering the Isis attacks in Paris killed over 100 people and got talked about for 2 days on here and here we are 5 years later still talking about penn state which as horrible a situation as it was, was no where near the devastation in Paris makes me believe that many of u just want to yell about Penn State.
 
DNA22 said:
Loosen up a bit will u? I swear too many times people are so serious about penn state as the 'enemy' and we hate them because we hate child abuse... Give me a break.

I'd respect it a hell of a lot more if the extremists on this board would stop with the high and mighty routine and just simply admit that they just don't like penn state and want to bash them. I wouldn't necessarily agree with them but I sure as hell would respect them for being honest. Some on here I believe use the scandal just simply as the ammo to bash penn state similar to how I (jets fan) bash Patriots fans for having deflated balls.

Sure u can make the argument that it isn't the case and it's because u care about the victims but considering the Isis attacks in Paris killed over 100 people and got talked about for 2 days on here and here we are 5 years later still talking about penn state which as horrible a situation as it was, was no where near the devastation in Paris makes me believe that many of u just want to yell about Penn State.
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Penn State isn't an enemy to me. It's a child abuser and those who knew about it and did nothing. That's Sandusky and Paterno, in this case..that seemed to know for 35 years.
 
mikemarc1 said:
Penn State isn't an enemy to me. It's a child abuser and those who knew about it and did nothing. That's Sandusky and Paterno, in this case..that seemed to know for 35 years.
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Ok so Sandusky is in Jail and Joe is dead so why are you still yelling? Both have met their final fates
 
DNA22 said:
Ok so Sandusky is in Jail and Joe is dead so why are you still yelling? Both have met their final fates
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Paterno's family insists on clogging the arteries of the media with their carcinogenic claims that Joe Knew Nothing.

Because, of course, it makes total sense that one of Paterno's kids would have intimate knowledge of what Joe knew about anything in the 1970s.
 
RU4Real said:
Paterno's family insists on clogging the arteries of the media with their carcinogenic claims that Joe Knew Nothing.

Because, of course, it makes total sense that one of Paterno's kids would have intimate knowledge of what Joe knew about anything in the 1970s.
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So ur saying the kids should take the blame now? I'm confused.

Let me just ask this. What could happen/what could PSU or anyone else do to make u happy and not feel the need to bash them? Or are you just going to do that regardless in which case I have zero interest in engaging in a pissing match with u
 
The Penn State fans are simply following their father's (Joe PA's) lead. He ignored or covered up the child molestation for decades and now people like DNA have taken up his life times work in his passing.
 
DNA22 said:
Umm ok? What does that have to do with what I wrote? The Second Mile was established by Sandusky and very much was his charity that it turned out he used in a sick twisted way to lure victims. People don't immediately assume that when someone wants to start a charity that their intentions are bad. There's tons of interviews from people who worked for second mile who were shocked by the allegations, it's the same as when people find out their neighbor was the BTK killer and were shocked that that could happen right under their nose.

Sandusky is an extremely dangerous criminal who for years covered his bases in order to carry out his crimes, we also know that the source he used to find his victims was in fact his own charity, the second mile... that we know for a fact.

What I don't understand is why it's easy for some of you to assume that Joe and these other officials came up with this grand cover up of which cannot possibly be confirmed or denied, but a KNOWN child molester who had a rotating door of victims that he could access through his charity right in his town wouldn't want to leave such a convenient set up particularly when he was such an extreme criminal and it was easy for him... It makes no sense
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As far as Paterno is concerned, there are plenty examples of people who have done good things also doing bad things. I'm sure Hitler and Stalin were nice to a few people in their lives as well. I think most people without an emotional stake in the issue (even if you want to exclude many Rutgers and Pitt fans) think that there is a lot of smoke indicating that Paterno wasn't completely innocent here. Whether it was the strange circumstances regarding the end of Sandusky's time as a Penn State coach, McQueery telling Paterno about the shower incident, Paterno saying he wished he had done more, accusations of earlier incidents, the fact that Paterno was plugged in to all things Penn State football, etc. It stands to reason that he had some clue what was going on. Best case scenario, from my perspective, is that he didn't fully grasp the monstrosity of who Sandusky was and thought that he could handle it all in-house. Obviously that was a mistake.

Now, clearly you have no problem throwing Sandusky under the bus...where he belongs...but you also speculate on him, but don't want others to speculate on Paterno and his role. It is clear to everyone that Sandusky was the worse of the two, but by allowing Sandusky the room to do what he did, Paterno 100% deserves some of the blame for allowing this problem to linger longer than it needed to.
 
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DNA22 said:
So ull buy the idea that there were these closed door meetings between high ranking officials at PSU to orchestrate a 'cover up' when there has been zero legal proceedings to either confirm or deny that; but you won't buy the idea of a KNOWN child predator who has been convicted of raping AT LEAST 10 boys that he had harbored through his personal charity that was already established in the area and didn't want to leave that revolving door of prey that he is now KNOWN to have used to fulfill his sick twisted being?

I just think it's best that we agree to disagree here because what I'm taking ur response as is giving Jerry the benefit of the doubt. And no disrespect if you think otherwise but Sandusky doesn't deserve any kind of benefit of the doubt, no matter how much ii may interrupt the argument u are trying to make on a message board
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Jerry is a convicted felon and I don't know why you think I was giving Jerry any benefit of the doubt.

What I am pondering is what did Penn State people know with respect to the molestations and did Penn State tell JS to retire because of it..

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 
jmc11201 said:
As far as Paterno is concerned, there are plenty examples of people who have done good things also doing bad things. I'm sure Hitler and Stalin were nice to a few people in their lives as well. I think most people without an emotional stake in the issue (even if you want to exclude many Rutgers and Pitt fans) think that there is a lot of smoke indicating that Paterno wasn't completely innocent here. Whether it was the strange circumstances regarding the end of Sandusky's time as a Penn State coach, McQueery telling Paterno about the shower incident, Paterno saying he wished he had done more, accusations of earlier incidents, the fact that Paterno was plugged in to all things Penn State football, etc. It stands to reason that he had some clue what was going on. Best case scenario, from my perspective, is that he didn't fully grasp the monstrosity of who Sandusky was and thought that he could handle it all in-house. Obviously that was a mistake.

Now, clearly you have no problem throwing Sandusky under the bus...where he belongs...but you also speculate on him, but don't want others to speculate on Paterno and his role. It is clear to everyone that Sandusky was the worse of the two, but by allowing Sandusky the room to do what he did, Paterno 100% deserves some of the blame for allowing this problem to linger longer than it needed to.
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I literally stopped reading when u compared Paterno to Hitler. Any idiot with a keyboard.... smh
 
Panthergrowl13 said:
Jerry is a convicted felon and I don't know why you think I was giving Jerry any benefit of the doubt.

What I am pondering is what did Penn State people know with respect to the molestations and did Penn State tell JS to retire because of it..

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
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The answer to your question with all of the information that is known publicly is they knew nothing. Any pondering of reasoning behind his retirement being part of the coverup would be strictly speculation. Don't worry though, lots of people on this board who accept speculation as fact when it comes to bashing paterno
 
DNA22 said:
Ok well here's where we fundamentally disagree. U are convinced that Joe knew everything that was going on and took steps to make sure none of it got into public.

I don't believe that at all. So obviously we aren't going to agree on this matter. So we just agree to disagree and move on with our lives. Let's be adults here and not cry "but but but I was here first!" What are you 2 years old? Come on man
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Do you honestly believe Sandusky was clever enough to conceal these crimes without powerful allies? He truly seems oblivious to the impact of his actions, and more so appears that he wouldn't NEED to cover things up.

It is truly disturbing.
 
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