Yes you do.
Wrestling has beaten 28 Top 25 teams since the 2015-2016 season
They only wrestle 17 to 18 matches a year so yeah, a helluva lot more than 17.
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Pike 17 wins vs top 25
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Wrestling has beaten 28 Top 25 teams since the 2015-2016 season
They only wrestle 17 to 18 matches a year so yeah, a helluva lot more than 17.
Wrestling is a strong program then. I don't watch wrestling so I don't have that line of sight. But that sounds pretty elite level to me. And the coach(es)? are probably pretty boss too
I’m a Pike supporter but are we really taking victory laps right now? Also, the injuries had nothing to do with losses to Princeton or KSU. Still work to be done. Go RU!!
Anyone who thinks Pike isn’t a good coach (yes, there are plenty on this site) is clueless. It’s not a victory lap for one game. He has proven he is a good coach over the course of his career.
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17 ranked wins in 9 seasons is good especially since Pike took over a bottom dwelling program, but then he also has plenty of WTF losses that have doomed our postseason chances especially in recent seasons. I’m more concerned with getting into the tournament than beating the #21 team one night in the regular season
Don’t know why it has to be one or the other with some, or to trash one coach to show support for the other. We should aspire to be great in both. Both took over dumpster fire situations and have given us cause for optimism that even better days are ahead.
This is not intended as a cut against wrestling (I love the sport and our team). But the comparison has to consider that there are only about 40 or so programs of merit. Many schools don’t even field wrestling programs. As a result of a smaller pool you are likely wrestling more ranked opponents (read that as opportunity) than other sports. Still kudos to our wrestling program.
Not buying your argument and how many schools of merit are their in basketball? You usually get what 7 to 8 chances or more to play Top 25? That would be about the same as wrestling. Wrestling per year on average has 17 matches while basketball 31 and more if they make it to the post season. Thus, why it's about even, half of wrestling's schedule is top 25 and less than a 1/3 is basketball's.
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Since 2020, Greg 2; we are 0-13 against ranked opponents, 0-14 if you include the Gator Bowl. Of those, we are 0-9 combined against Michigan Ohio State and Penn State, not too many programs have had wins against them in the years we lost to them. The other losses we had were Indiana in 20, Michigan State in 21, Iowa in 23 and Illinois by 7 this year. We need a win, it’s an embarrassing statistic, but from where we were after Ash, it’s really not that surprising.
Greg 1.0 was 4-22 versus ranked teams.
Greg has lost 16 straight to ranked teams going back to 1.0 days.
Greg 1.0 finished ranked in the top 25 once in 11 years. No ranked finishes in five years of 2.0.
Why does everybody love Greg? Because Shea, Flood, and Ash beat a total of zero ranked teams across 13 seasons.
Hopefully Greg continues to make progress and delivers another top 25 finish before he retires.
These statistics are moronic. Like epically moronic. In football unless you are a top 30 type program your record against ranked teams is going to be terrible. What’s more meaningful is where you rank overall.
You’re making my point … if half of your schedule is top 25 in wrestling (again there are MANY fewer wrestling programs so the likelihood that you face a ranked opponent is high) then you have more opportunity for top 25 wins. Not making, or looking for an argument. Just pointing out a difference between the two sports.
You disregarded the rest of the post. Year to year it's the same amount of opportunities or in wrestling's case less. Wrestling schedules OOC top 25 matches, however not every year does this happen. If wrestling doesn't schedule top 25 teams out of conference, there's only 8 conference matches per year.
I disagree. Syracuse beats a ranked team every year. They seem to have no issue doing that.
Vanderbilt beat a ranked Alabama team this year.
Navy beats ranked teams.
The list goes on…
being outside the top 30 doesn’t doom you to lose every game you play against the top 25
Syracuse is perfect football team to compare to Rutgers.
The regional rivals came off 6-6 2023 seasons. Rutgers won the Pinstripe Bowl against Miami, Syracuse was blown out 45-0 by South Florida at the Boca Raton bowl. We all know these bowl games feature teams depleted of star players who choose not to participate.
In 2024, Syracuse hired a rookie head coach. The results in the 2024 season: Three victories against ranked teams against one loss. Rutgers lost its only game against a ranked team, Illinois.
The first year Syracuse coach, Fran Brown, earned the same number of wins over ranked teams in his first season as Greg Schiano has done in his past TEN seasons as a college football head coach, three wins.
When teams such as Syracuse slay three ranked teams in a season, Rutgers must be expected to match or exceed it.
No they don’t beat a ranked team every year. Before last year they were like 1-13 for the previous 5 seasons. Last year they were ranked in the top 25. That’s a terrible record. Teams that beat ranked teams are usually good. Of course there are outliers lol.
Another thought, on top of you’re not understanding the “opportunity difference.” How many times was Rutgers wrestling ranked when we beat a ranked team? And of those how many times were we ranked above the vanquished team.
Back to opportunity, if the pond I fish in has 25 big fish and 30 small fish the opportunity to catch a big fish seems (yes there are a lot of variables since they are different sports) higher than if I fish in a pond with 25 big fish and 150 small fish.
Once again I love RU wrestling so this is NOT a cut on wrestling, they’re a bright spot for us. Out for me. Go RU.
2024 - 3 ranked wins
2022 - 1 ranked win
2018 - 2 ranked wins
2017 - 1 ranked win
2016 - 1 ranked win
2012 - 1 ranked win
2011 - 1 ranked win
2010 - 1 ranked win
So that’s 11 since we’ve had one. However you want to process this information is up to you
Agree. BUT...he needs to evolve offensively. This is beyond requiring discussion.
Now take out the wins when they were a top 30 team and add the losses and tell me they weren’t terrible against ranked teams like I said. Lol. Figures lie and liars figure.
I’m gonna do all the work for ya huh? Am I on payroll?
When you want the TV on do you just let out a grunt and bark “Fire it up!”
And then you can tell us how many wins vs. ranked teams got them into the top 30.
This is a really dumb discussion.
Enough of the excuses for why Rutgers Football can’t beat a ranked team. It’s been way too long, we’re beyond due.
You’re kinda just jumping in here midstream I guess. I never made excuses. If someone wanted to say we haven’t been good the last 10 years I’d agree. When you’re outside the top 40 or top 80, places we’ve been of late, you aren’t beating ranked teams. So using that critique is a silly argument which was my point. Then Randy said I was wrong that bad teams beat ranked teams all the time which they do not. My point was overall ranking is what matters. I never said it was good lol. You’re point actually supports my point.
Sorry thought you were making excuses like some others.
Overall agree except I think you’re putting too much emphasis on ranking.
I’m not gonna look up the stats but I would bet tons of teams in the 40-60 range have beaten ranked teams.
So I wouldn’t say “you aren’t beating ranked teams” or discount this as a possibility (albeit on a low %).
You take any 5 guys randomly at Rucker Park (who have never played together before) and they beat this Rutgers team by 10 points. That's on Pike.
Right I didn’t mean to say never. It’s rare which means it’s not really a meaningful metric.
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