Pike Failed the Fans, Minimal Effort Towards NIL Raising Would’ve Made For a Special Season

[KK1827]

Was chatting with the guy Ive mentioned here before whos involved in the NJ AAU scene and is the former coach at a parochial. He said he finds it hard to believe that Rutgers didnt have the money to pay Cliff to stay and get the Princeton guard who went to ND.

He said cliff apparently got $800K from Bama, Alloco got $500K from Notre Dame and he is unsure what Mag got from BYU.

But with that said, considering Mag didnt have a laundry list of suitors, let’s assume he got $200K.

If pike put even minimal effort into fundraising, youre telling me he couldnt raise $1.5 to nab those 3?

The lack of effort towards fundraising for this seasons roster will be unforgiveable by most fans and rightfully so.

A roster with a starting 5 of

Harper
Alloco
Bailey
Mag
Cliff

With guys off the bench who required minimal NIL like
Ogbole
Martini
Dercack
J Williams
J-Mike
Dortch
Grant


(Yes im leaving off lathan because he was expensive and his money couldve been used towards cliff/mag/alloco)

That easily gets us to the tourney and probably sets us up for a run as well.

The lack of effort towards fundraising and allocation of funds available this year will go down as the single biggest missed opportunity in Rutgers sports history.

 

[RUJMM78]

At this late stage of the season all fans have left is second guessing what might have happened with better NIL and transfer decisions.

 

[fluoxetine]

I could swear someone made this thread already.. oh, here it is:

From the day Ace committed until the 2024-2025 portal opened pike had 400+ days to build the NIL war chest

And he failed miserably. Saw this post on social media by @RUfanEsq and he really nailed it. If we are to believe NIL was the reason for not being able to surround dylan and ace with talent (im skeptical of this claim btw), then there is no one to blame but pike. All he had to do was in the...

rutgers.forums.rivals.com

We need a kyk and Lou containment thread

 

[RexMantlepiece]

I could swear someone made this thread already.. oh, here it is:

From the day Ace committed until the 2024-2025 portal opened pike had 400+ days to build the NIL war chest

And he failed miserably. Saw this post on social media by @RUfanEsq and he really nailed it. If we are to believe NIL was the reason for not being able to surround dylan and ace with talent (im skeptical of this claim btw), then there is no one to blame but pike. All he had to do was in the...

rutgers.forums.rivals.com

We need a kyk and Lou containment thread

The two are definitely seperate. I know Kyk and while he is passionate and gives some takes others may consider controversial he bleeds Rutgers and already gives back good sized amounts despite his younger-ish age. I also believe that has he grows in career and wealth that number will increase. So he does walk the walk. Lou in the other hand … my guess is not so much.

 

[fluoxetine]

That’s fair, comparing kyk to Lou was a low blow.

But he is a bit of a broken record..

 

[darkcheck]

Was chatting with the guy Ive mentioned here before whos involved in the NJ AAU scene and is the former coach at a parochial. He said he finds it hard to believe that Rutgers didnt have the money to pay Cliff to stay and get the Princeton guard who went to ND.

He said cliff apparently got $800K from Bama, Alloco got $500K from Notre Dame and he is unsure what Mag got from BYU.

But with that said, considering Mag didnt have a laundry list of suitors, let’s assume he got $200K.

If pike put even minimal effort into fundraising, youre telling me he couldnt raise $1.5 to nab those 3?

The lack of effort towards fundraising for this seasons roster will be unforgiveable by most fans and rightfully so.

A roster with a starting 5 of

Harper
Alloco
Bailey
Mag
Cliff

With guys off the bench who required minimal NIL like
Ogbole
Martini
Dercack
J Williams
J-Mike
Dortch
Grant


(Yes im leaving off lathan because he was expensive and his money couldve been used towards cliff/mag/alloco)

That easily gets us to the tourney and probably sets us up for a run as well.

The lack of effort towards fundraising and allocation of funds available this year will go down as the single biggest missed opportunity in Rutgers sports history.

I think Ewin would have been less than Cliff even

 

[seansherm]

Was chatting with the guy Ive mentioned here before whos involved in the NJ AAU scene and is the former coach at a parochial. He said he finds it hard to believe that Rutgers didnt have the money to pay Cliff to stay and get the Princeton guard who went to ND.

He said cliff apparently got $800K from Bama, Alloco got $500K from Notre Dame and he is unsure what Mag got from BYU.

But with that said, considering Mag didnt have a laundry list of suitors, let’s assume he got $200K.

If pike put even minimal effort into fundraising, youre telling me he couldnt raise $1.5 to nab those 3?

The lack of effort towards fundraising for this seasons roster will be unforgiveable by most fans and rightfully so.

A roster with a starting 5 of

Harper
Alloco
Bailey
Mag
Cliff

With guys off the bench who required minimal NIL like
Ogbole
Martini
Dercack
J Williams
J-Mike
Dortch
Grant


(Yes im leaving off lathan because he was expensive and his money couldve been used towards cliff/mag/alloco)

That easily gets us to the tourney and probably sets us up for a run as well.

The lack of effort towards fundraising and allocation of funds available this year will go down as the single biggest missed opportunity in Rutgers sports history.

You can't really leave Lathan off as he was signed before you needed to come up with Cliff's $, wasn't he? Pike did find the $ for Harper and Ace whether people want to give him credit or not. Even if none of the $ came from RU related people, which I don't believe for a second, he did the recruiting job to get them to come without all the extra $ they could have made elsewhere.

Above we are talking $1.5M for three players above Dylan and Ace. My guess is hoops boosters have NEVER been asked for that outlay before, not sure how they would respond. Didn't the entire collective, shared w other sports, not come up with that much?

I'm on record as saying a coaches job nowadays is just as much fundraising for the program as coaching and if they aren't putting that work in they should be fired. I have zero idea how much work on fundraising Pike does, my guess is you don't either.

 

[bethlehemfan]

Regardless of how or why it happened the roster is pike’s responsibility. That’s the bottom line.

 

[ancienthooper]

Some of you guys are completely clueless. The head coaching job at any major university is already more than a FULL TIME JOB. The solution to the new world of college athletics isn’t “Here you go, coach. You’re also Chief Fundraiser.” Obviously, fundraising and NIL management are critical factors, which require specific focus and dedicated positions. There’s no doubt that Pikes as well as every other coach is willing to expend time and effort doing some obligatory schmoozing, but asking them to make it a major part of their job description is a recipe for failure. Fundraising is hard and requires a major commitment.

 

[darkcheck]

Was chatting with the guy Ive mentioned here before whos involved in the NJ AAU scene and is the former coach at a parochial. He said he finds it hard to believe that Rutgers didnt have the money to pay Cliff to stay and get the Princeton guard who went to ND.

He said cliff apparently got $800K from Bama, Alloco got $500K from Notre Dame and he is unsure what Mag got from BYU.

But with that said, considering Mag didnt have a laundry list of suitors, let’s assume he got $200K.

If pike put even minimal effort into fundraising, youre telling me he couldnt raise $1.5 to nab those 3?

The lack of effort towards fundraising for this seasons roster will be unforgiveable by most fans and rightfully so.

A roster with a starting 5 of

Harper
Alloco
Bailey
Mag
Cliff

With guys off the bench who required minimal NIL like
Ogbole
Martini
Dercack
J Williams
J-Mike
Dortch
Grant


(Yes im leaving off lathan because he was expensive and his money couldve been used towards cliff/mag/alloco)

That easily gets us to the tourney and probably sets us up for a run as well.

The lack of effort towards fundraising and allocation of funds available this year will go down as the single biggest missed opportunity in Rutgers sports history.

It’s over, unfortunately. Can’t go back. Sadly all we have to look forward to in feb 2025 is how will Pike do with the portal next season off a losing record.

 

[biazza38]

Pike has shown he can be a little stubborn or sometimes with this stuff.

 

[KK1827]

Some of you guys are completely clueless. The head coaching job at any major university is already more than a FULL TIME JOB. The solution to the new world of college athletics isn’t “Here you go, coach. You’re also Chief Fundraiser.” Obviously, fundraising and NIL management are critical factors, which require specific focus and dedicated positions. There’s no doubt that Pikes as well as every other coach is willing to expend time and effort doing some obligatory schmoozing, but asking them to make it a major part of their job description is a recipe for failure. Fundraising is hard and requires a major commitment.

As the old saying goes, “thats what the moneys for”. Hes paid to do this job. Job descriptions change over time. Adapt or fail

 

[rpiseman]

Some of you guys are completely clueless. The head coaching job at any major university is already more than a FULL TIME JOB. The solution to the new world of college athletics isn’t “Here you go, coach. You’re also Chief Fundraiser.” Obviously, fundraising and NIL management are critical factors, which require specific focus and dedicated positions. There’s no doubt that Pikes as well as every other coach is willing to expend time and effort doing some obligatory schmoozing, but asking them to make it a major part of their job description is a recipe for failure. Fundraising is hard and requires a major commitment.

He’s paid $3.5 million to be the CEO of the hoops program. If he doesn’t want the added responsibility of NIL he should go back to Stony Brook and be a basketball coach for $175k.

 

[stribucher]

I still think this roster could have been coached up. I would think most of the B1G coaches would have this roster at 16-9 and in position for NCAA tourney bid. Yes we could have done better with selecting transfers but this mess falls on Pike and not putting his players in best position to succeed. He is changing rotations and hoping it works. Have we seen PJ Hayes run off a screen to get open for a 3? Have there been any motion offense with players making back door cuts? I see Ace and Dylan free lancing and everyone else standing around. And defense has sucked as we cannot cover a pick and roll for our life. Cannot have big blitzing pick and roll which leaves opponent big man wide open on roll. This is one of the many ways Pike has failed.

 

[Plum Street]

Didn’t he do the thing at top golf with geo ?

 

[ancienthooper]

He’s paid $3.5 million to be the CEO of the hoops program. If he doesn’t want the added responsibility of NIL he should go back to Stony Brook and be a basketball coach for $175k.

Virtually everybody at this level makes that money, and more. Get over it. It’s not about money, it’s about time. Coaches still need to spend time recruiting and managing the portal. You think Bill Self is watching film of potential portal opportunities and reaching out to players…or sitting at his desk with a list of potential donor calls to ask for money?

BTW…Stony Brook pays about $450-$500.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Sounds so easy to raise money not to easy when you need to get it from the cheapest fanbase in the universe. Greg may be using and or promising the profit sharing 20 million coming not sure Pike was able to offer that to kids last year as he was recruiting this years team. Rutgers fan how much have you given in NIL? If it’s nothing then STFU.

 

[ancienthooper]

Didn’t he do the thing at top golf with geo ?

Correct. Exactly the type of event coaches should be involved in, and willing to do so. Try and turn every coach into chief fundraiser and you’ll have lots of head coach openings.

 

[PhillyRU]

The $ you quoted for Cliff is far lower than anywhere else I’ve seen. Plus, I think the relationship with mag had eroded beyond a dollar amount last season.

But yes, it’s the second-straight season I think Rutgers has been largely unprepared for the portal (this past year was more so in respect to the price point and availability of rim-protecting centers), and I think consolidating our portal resources into a couple players would have been a better approach. And while it would have been an optical nightmare after last season, committing a starting role/NIL resources to JWill was a mistake in hindsight

 

[hinson32]

Some of you guys are completely clueless. The head coaching job at any major university is already more than a FULL TIME JOB. The solution to the new world of college athletics isn’t “Here you go, coach. You’re also Chief Fundraiser.” Obviously, fundraising and NIL management are critical factors, which require specific focus and dedicated positions. There’s no doubt that Pikes as well as every other coach is willing to expend time and effort doing some obligatory schmoozing, but asking them to make it a major part of their job description is a recipe for failure. Fundraising is hard and requires a major commitment.

Greg is doing his own fundraising. He retains his players and recruiting has never been better. He also just landed his best portal class. Coaches now have new job descriptions.

 

[darkcheck]

Virtually everybody at this level makes that money, and more. Get over it. It’s not about money, it’s about time. Coaches still need to spend time recruiting and managing the portal. You think Bill Self is watching film of potential portal opportunities and reaching out to players…or sitting at his desk with a list of potential donor calls to ask for money?

BTW…Stony Brook pays about $450-$500.

You’re saying Pike is Self?!!!! Yes that money is not extraordinary for a p5 coach. What is extraordinary is that if they don’t win they’re gone. No eight figure buyouts for low power five coaches.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Greg is doing his own fundraising. He retains his players and recruiting has never been better. He also just landed his best portal class. Coaches now have new job descriptions.

I wonder where Greg is doing this. It certainly isn’t being done anywhere near these parts.

 

[biazza38]

I still think this roster could have been coached up. I would think most of the B1G coaches would have this roster at 16-9 and in position for NCAA tourney bid. Yes we could have done better with selecting transfers but this mess falls on Pike and not putting his players in best position to succeed. He is changing rotations and hoping it works. Have we seen PJ Hayes run off a screen to get open for a 3? Have there been any motion offense with players making back door cuts? I see Ace and Dylan free lancing and everyone else standing around. And defense has sucked as we cannot cover a pick and roll for our life. Cannot have big blitzing pick and roll which leaves opponent big man wide open on roll. This is one of the many ways Pike has failed.

I agree coach has failed coaching this roster but I really don’t think it could have been coached up. We elevated our third string center to starting center and our back up is not big enough to play center. We have a portal Pf who flat on not strong enough or big enough to play at this level. Pike’s rotation and substitution patterns are obviously broken. But part of the reason we see so many odd changes is because the roster is so flawed almost nothing works. The Maryland game was brutal. We looked like a mid major against them.

 

[KK1827]

Virtually everybody at this level makes that money, and more. Get over it. It’s not about money, it’s about time. Coaches still need to spend time recruiting and managing the portal. You think Bill Self is watching film of potential portal opportunities and reaching out to players…or sitting at his desk with a list of potential donor calls to ask for money?

BTW…Stony Brook pays about $450-$500.

Again, this is what the money is for. This is a 24/7 job and you are paid accordingly. He failed miserably at what many coaches today are calling their primary job, which is fundraising.

 

[KK1827]

Sounds so easy to raise money not to easy when you need to get it from the cheapest fanbase in the universe. Greg may be using and or promising the profit sharing 20 million coming not sure Pike was able to offer that to kids last year as he was recruiting this years team. Rutgers fan how much have you given in NIL? If it’s nothing then STFU.

Ask @Richie O . He's mentioned numerous times that schiano has gone to extremely lengths to raise NIL from people not even associated with RU and has raised a lot of money doing so.

 

[KK1827]

Correct. Exactly the type of event coaches should be involved in, and willing to do so. Try and turn every coach into chief fundraiser and you’ll have lots of head coach openings.

And you'll have a laundry list of top tier candidates MORE THAN HAPPY to take $3.5-4mm/year, $20mm guaranteed over 5 years to simply coach basketball and schmooze rich people while fundraising.

 

[bitnez]

Pike has failed NIL 101 but he (and the staff) deserve credit for recruiting HS players. Not sure what that really means though if we don’t win.

 

[KK1827]

The $ you quoted for Cliff is far lower than anywhere else I’ve seen. Plus, I think the relationship with mag had eroded beyond a dollar amount last season.

But yes, it’s the second-straight season I think Rutgers has been largely unprepared for the portal (this past year was more so in respect to the price point and availability of rim-protecting centers), and I think consolidating our portal resources into a couple players would have been a better approach. And while it would have been an optical nightmare after last season, committing a starting role/NIL resources to JWill was a mistake in hindsight

Whether it be cliff/mag or similar type of players. Same thing.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Ask @Richie O . He's mentioned numerous times that schiano has gone to extremely lengths to raise NIL from people not even associated with RU and has raised a lot of money doing so.

He has mentioned Greg using part of the 20 million profit sharing. I have t heard anything else. If anything was mentioned it was as vague as you just said he is doing it.

 

[ru66]

If anyone thinks buying players guarantees that you'll win look at all the teams who spent big bucks and loss. It's now money. culture, coaching and a long list of the rest. If only those taking $ gave it back when they lose. I'll say it again unionize college players and have collective bargaining contracts. In any event those that don't donate are not contributing to Rutgers efforts--- and when you have the ability to give and don't you lose all credibility.

 

[KK1827]

I wonder where Greg is doing this. It certainly isn’t being done anywhere near these parts.

Because he understands, hosting a top golf event with upper middle class fans aint gonna raise the NIL needed. That's lazy to say the least. That's you saying, he spent a whole 4 hours with fans in hopes it'd raise money. Pathetic effort if that's the case.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Pike has failed NIL 101 but he (and the staff) deserve credit for recruiting HS players. Not sure what that really means though if we don’t win.

How about the fan base has it failed NIL 101? Other fanbases have passed that class. How about this one?

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Because he understands, hosting a top golf event with upper middle class fans aint gonna raise the NIL needed. That's lazy to say the least. That's you saying, he spent a whole 4 hours with fans in hopes it'd raise money. Pathetic effort if that's the case.

That’s just an assumption right? No one knows what Greg has done or what Pike hasn’t done. Again this years basketball team was recruited a long time ago without the help of profit sharing. If you remember our football team lacked plenty in key positions at the beginning of last years team. We could have used a LB or two and def an offensive linemen. We got a kid that had to redshirt because he was not strong enough.

 

[seansherm]

Some of you guys are completely clueless. The head coaching job at any major university is already more than a FULL TIME JOB. The solution to the new world of college athletics isn’t “Here you go, coach. You’re also Chief Fundraiser.” Obviously, fundraising and NIL management are critical factors, which require specific focus and dedicated positions. There’s no doubt that Pikes as well as every other coach is willing to expend time and effort doing some obligatory schmoozing, but asking them to make it a major part of their job description is a recipe for failure. Fundraising is hard and requires a major commitment.

Couldn't disagree more. I knew D1 coaches spending a lot of time on fundraising before NIL, it's more important part of the job now. No one else is going to fundraise for your team. AD's fundraise for the department mostly, not sport specific items outside structures.

 

[seansherm]

How about the fan base has it failed NIL 101? Other fanbases have passed that class. How about this one?

Nah, other teams donor whales have passed that class, it's not the everyday fan funding it well anywhere

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

What makes you think the roster you posted would win?

NEWSFLASH Harper and Bailey are not in shape and take most defensive possessions off.
NEWSFLASH Last year Cliff started showing signs off checking out. Reports of him not going hard in practice. Games were 50/50 of what Cliff you would get

At some point fans are going to have to come to some sort of conclusion that despite what NBA draft sport Harper and Bailey will get they are currently average B1G basketball players. What happens on defense is 50% of the game. We are failing miserably on defense and they are smack dab in the middle of it.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Nah, other teams donor whales have passed that class, it's not the everyday fan funding it well anywhere

The lazy and cheap answer. It’s not my fault let someone else donate. Typical fake die hard you might as well start game recaps if that’s all you got.

 

[Mholinko]

Was chatting with the guy Ive mentioned here before whos involved in the NJ AAU scene and is the former coach at a parochial. He said he finds it hard to believe that Rutgers didnt have the money to pay Cliff to stay and get the Princeton guard who went to ND.

He said cliff apparently got $800K from Bama, Alloco got $500K from Notre Dame and he is unsure what Mag got from BYU.

But with that said, considering Mag didnt have a laundry list of suitors, let’s assume he got $200K.

If pike put even minimal effort into fundraising, youre telling me he couldnt raise $1.5 to nab those 3?

The lack of effort towards fundraising for this seasons roster will be unforgiveable by most fans and rightfully so.

A roster with a starting 5 of

Harper
Alloco
Bailey
Mag
Cliff

With guys off the bench who required minimal NIL like
Ogbole
Martini
Dercack
J Williams
J-Mike
Dortch
Grant


(Yes im leaving off lathan because he was expensive and his money couldve been used towards cliff/mag/alloco)

That easily gets us to the tourney and probably sets us up for a run as well.

The lack of effort towards fundraising and allocation of funds available this year will go down as the single biggest missed opportunity in Rutgers sports history.

Haven’t you read enough threads to know half the contributors on here want to complain but won’t donate a dime

The fan base is living in delusion that we can win without NIL

The only possibility of ever raising meaningful money is to do what the sec is doing attaching NIL donations to ticket sales

 

[Mholinko]

Couldn't disagree more. I knew D1 coaches spending a lot of time on fundraising before NIL, it's more important part of the job now. No one else is going to fundraise for your team. AD's fundraise for the department mostly, not sport specific items outside structures.

This isn’t accurate

Many schools are starting to hire “general managers” for that exact purpose and some schools are attaching NIL to season ticket sales to help

 

[Mholinko]

If anyone thinks buying players guarantees that you'll win look at all the teams who spent big bucks and loss. It's now money. culture, coaching and a long list of the rest. If only those taking $ gave it back when they lose. I'll say it again unionize college players and have collective bargaining contracts. In any event those that don't donate are not contributing to Rutgers efforts--- and when you have the ability to give and don't you lose all credibility.

They just complain on here and post recaps