Playoff Selections If I were on the committee
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Whoever win the UW vs PSU game. The winner jumps Michigan.
11-2 Confernce Champ > 10-2. That makes the winner #5 and if Clemson or Washington loses then #5 moves up.
#5 Michigan
#6 Wisconsin
#7 PSU
Yes, it was a bad loss for Clemson. Pretty sure Clemson would agree - undefeated and a playoff lock instead of win cc or go home. Because Pitt.
Pitt is pretty good, but they barely scratched their way into the top 25 at season end. They're not a "good loss" for a playoff-caliber team. Not an issue for Clemson with one loss, but definitely not helping PSU's case. And PSU may have lost by three, but Pitt was in the driver's seat virtually that whole game. Clemson got screwed by a bad call, setting up the TD that put Pitt within game-closing distance.
PSU doesn't pass the eye test for me, not by a long shot. I'm all for it getting in if it wins the game and UW or Clemson loses (the lame B12 conference can plan to stay home now, barring a monumental domination), but I really don't see it as one of the best 4 so much as a team from getting semi-hot at the right time and benefitting a series of fortunate events. Which is fine, happens in all sports.
Kirk Herbstreit was right when he asked how anyone could possibly feel that Penn State can pass Michigan, a team that has a stronger overall on field resume than Penn State and beat Penn State by 39 points.
It is one thing to lose to a team in a close game and another all together to get beat by 39.
ESPN video says the margin between #4 Washington and # 5 Michigan is very very very slim....could they sneak in? i doubt it because you will have to look at Colorado if they beat Washington and Wisconsin if they beat Penn State...could Penn State beat Wisconsin and sneak in or would Michigan go?
this is absurd...just make it they 4 highest ranked conference champions...its just a money grab... Clemson lost a few weeks to an unranked team as did Michigan and they didnt even drop a spot...
this is absurd...just make it they 4 highest ranked conference champions...its just a money grab... Clemson lost a few weeks to an unranked team as did Michigan and they didnt even drop a spot...
Just look at other playoff contender losses if you still contend Pitt is a good
Yeah, except for the better record part, by one of Penn State or Wisconsin, that you keep ignoring. I have no idea why I'm arguing in favor of Penn State with a Penn State fan, but Michigan blew it. Maybe they're close now, but they have no chance for another win this weekend and every chance to get passed by/blocked by teams with a better records and championships.
Yeah, except for the better record part, by one of Penn State or Wisconsin, that you keep ignoring. I have no idea why I'm arguing in favor of Penn State with a Penn State fan, but Michigan blew it. Maybe they're close now, but they have no chance for another win this weekend and every chance to get passed by/blocked by teams with a better records and championships.
If Colorado beats Washington Michigan is in, because, Michigan has beaten #8 Colorado by 17, #7 Penn State by 39 and #6 Wisconsin by 7. Also, one of Michigan's 2 losses was in Columbus where every team in the country would lose and it took the Buckeyes 2(OT) to win that game by 3.
If the top 4 now all win IMO they will stay the top 4 after the weekend.
Mich/PSU/Wisconsin need Wash or Clemson to lose. The PAC 12 championship game is Friday, so we'll know before BIG kickoff about the former. The ACC game is the same time as the BIG, so there will be a lot of back and forth watching.
I think this is the point though. The committee is not supposed to project. They are supposed to take the body of work to date. Michigan beat both PSU and Wisky and has identical records against similar competition. They still get the edge for now. When PSU or Wisconsin wins this weekend they will be ahead of Michigan.
100% spot on. There is something about Cinderella teams scaring the snot out of highly ranked teams. I thought a profoundly undersized Wisconsin defense had OSU all but beaten, and in the very end they wore them down and pulled out a victory. This year Wisconsin team reminds me of that very tough TCU team that actually beat Wisconsin in a BCS Bowl game and this Penn State team reminds me of that 1982 Joe Paterno led machine that humbled the best RB in the country Hershel Walker & Georgia Bulldogs. Go B10!!
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You're 1 week short. This was never a discussion about what happens prior to Playoff Selection because it doesn't matter. Michigan sitting home on the couch watching the B1G championship game where they belong, then on Sunday the winner jumps them.
Disagree. Wisconsin would have 1 more win, just as difficult a schedule and most important a Conference Championship. They'll jump Michigan.
As for Penn State winning the CC, that's a more difficult decision and I could see the Committee selecting Michigan depending on the how close the games are in both the Pac 12 and B1G CC games
Wisconsin 11-2 would have one more total win than Michigan 10-2 if they beat Penn State, but, Michigan will still have more quality wins than Wisconsin.
Wisconsin would have only 1 top 10 win over Penn State, while Michigan would have 3 top 10 wins.
Michigan would have
a 17 point win over #8 Colorado,
a 39 point win over #7 Penn State and
a 7 point win over #6 Wisconsin head-to-head.
I think Michigan would have a better chance of beating Alabama in the playoffs. They played extremely well last week.
I don't see it, especially if the winner is Psu. The chairman last night told you what they thought of Michigan when he said how small the gap was between Wash and Mich, if Wash loses Michigan is getting in. The gap between Mich and Psu is big, and it should be.
I can project though, right :smiley:. That's where I was going. Don't think either team should have jumped Michigan yet, but the winner should.
Basically, this:
So I think we are in agreement.
The same committee told you last two years the winning the conference championship was IMPORTANT. They specifically said a conference championship was an important factor in the selection process. That is why they screwed the B12 because they did not have a conference champ. Why are PSU and UW even playing? ACtually why is ANYONE playing this week? Bama is in. OSU does not play and they are in. Clemson and UW can only hurt themselves.
You don't rewrite the rules AFTER the game. Cleveland Indians probably want the World Series shortened to 5 games.
Agreed. The CFP selection committee cant screw the B12 the last couple years because they did not have a conference champ and then totally flip on the same criteria this year. I don't care which criteria they use but they can't flip when a marquee team does not meet THEIR original criteria. You don't just make it up as you go.
B1G Conference Play:
Penn State 8-1
Michigan 7-2
Wisconsin 7-2
Head-To-Head Matchups:
Michigan beat Wisconsin by 7 points
Michigan beat Penn State by 39 points
Penn State and Wisconsin haven't played yet
Michigan 2-0
Wisconsin 0-1
Penn State 0-1
Conference Points Scored:
Michigan 492
Penn State 439
Wisconsin 340
Conference Points Given Up:
Michigan 150
Wisconsin 164
Penn State 273
Conference Point Differential:
Michigan +342
Wisconsin +176
Penn State +166
Best OOC Win:
Michigan beat Colorado by 17 points
Worst OOC Loss:
Pittsburgh beat Penn State by 3 points
Michigan is much closer to Washington than
Wisconsin or Penn State is to Michigan.
If Colorado beats Washington Michigan is in.
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My only difference from you psupower on this whole Michigan thing is that if Clemson or Washington lose, I only think Michigan "still has a chance".
Ultimately I think wisky gets in over MI with a win, with politics/potential backlash pushing them over.
If psu wins by a close margin where wisconsin "controls" more of the game metrics, gun to my head I think they take Michigan.
If psu wins by 30+.... Tough for a human committee not to take them.
Personally I'd 100% have Michigan over both wisky and especially psu, unless either team does something extraordinary this week that ever so remotely could possibly change my mind.
Ultimately I think wisky gets in over MI with a win, with politics/potential backlash pushing them over.
If psu wins by a close margin where wisconsin "controls" more of the game metrics, gun to my head I think they take Michigan.
If psu wins by 30+.... Tough for a human committee not to take them.
Personally I'd 100% have Michigan over both wisky and especially psu, unless either team does something extraordinary this week that ever so remotely could possibly change my mind.
It was actually two years ago. Baylor and TCU did not make the playoff and the committee specifically said it was because they did not have a conference championship.
The committee said they do not give bonus point for running up the score. They said a win is a win and a loss is a loss.
The problem is the committee is making up new criteria that is different from previous years.
Give us the list of factors.
The conference champ is not even a factor. This year ALL the conference champs could be shutout which tells me they are making up their criteria as they go.
http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/selection-committee-protocol
Principles. The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering: * Conference championships won, * Strength of schedule, * Head-to-head competition, * Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and, * Other relevant factors such as key injuries that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.
Note, these factors are to distinguish among otherwise comparable teams. And even there, the factors can conflict and be weighted differently. So if the committee believes that Michigan and Wisconsin are otherwise comparable, they might give Wisconsin the edge if they win the conference championship, or they might give Michigan the edge based on head-to-head competition.
That's not what I remember. Do you have a link to support this theory.
I remember that Baylor and TCU were ranked 5th and 6th based on their performance. But sportswriters and pundits suggested that if the B12 had a championship game, and Baylor were given the opportunity to notch another win against a top opponent, it would have improved their resume enough to push them into the top 4.
Bottom line is there will likely be 4 B1G schools in the top 8, at worst top 10, blowing away any other conference and filling up lots of HUGE playoff/bowl slots. The B1G could be looking at the following:
Playoff - OSU
Rose - Wiscy
Cotton - PSU
Orange - Michigan
Outback - Nebraska
Citrus - Iowa
Holiday - Minny
the rest
...my Lord that's sick!
Playoff - OSU
Rose - Wiscy
Cotton - PSU
Orange - Michigan
Outback - Nebraska
Citrus - Iowa
Holiday - Minny
the rest
...my Lord that's sick!
The committee shouldn't give bonus points for running up the score. A win is a win and a loss is a loss. But, a 30 point win is better than a 1 point win and a 30 point loss is worse than a 1 point loss.
That might have been two years ago, its about getting the 4 best teams, not the 4 best conference champions.
According to teamrankings.com, the B1G also plays some of the strongest schedules in the country(see link below).
1 Ohio State
2 Michigan
3 Alabama
4 LSU
5 Wisconsin
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other
Schedule Strength of Committee Top 10:
01 Alabama 3rd strongest schedule
02 Ohio State 1st strongest schedule
03 Clemson 9th strongest schedule
04 Washington 17th strongest schedule
05 Michigan 2nd strongest schedule
06 Wisconsin 5th strongest schedule
07 Penn State 14th strongest schedule
08 Colorado 11th strongest schedule
09 Oklahoma 10th strongest schedule
10 Oklahoma State 49th strongest schedule
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If I were on the committee, I would have these 4 teams play in the playoff
1. Rutgers
2. Princeton
3. Lafayette
4. Army
I think we'd still lose unfortunately...
1. Rutgers
2. Princeton
3. Lafayette
4. Army
I think we'd still lose unfortunately...
Colorado's 31 point loss hurt Michigan's resume enough to make it comparable to Penn State's after Penn State won the B1G Championship. Then, the committee went with Penn State's B1G Championship instead of Michigan's 39 point win over Penn State head-to-head to rank Penn State 5th and Michgan 6th.
Like I stated though, if Colorado beat Washington, Michigan would have been ranked ahead of Penn State, because, their resumes would not have been comparable.
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