Treating the cancer the same way over and over again even though the treatment is not working would be what you will be doing if you keep Flood.
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Poll: Should RU keep Flood or let him go
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Treating the cancer the same way over and over again even though the treatment is not working would be what you will be doing if you keep Flood.
and so would replacing him with another underpaid Coach without proven experience and track record at a major level.
Absolutely, I'll take my chances...knowing we have NO CHANCE (sorry for the caps RUR85) with KF.
Quite frankly, I'm shocked you don't realize how bad he is for our players.
I bring up Barchi/budget as a *fear* of why we may not end up replacing our staff after this season - not as a *reason* not to do it. There's a difference.
My comments have nothing to do with KF. Currently the performance of the football team stinks and that's a result of KF, staff and the Administration, including the old Admin. that hired him in the first place. Until such time that the Admin. makes the decision to prioritize the football program and invest in the product, it's all window dressing. All Coaches that are willing to come into this environment for pennies on the dollar and w/o support from the Admin., is nothing more than shot in the dark.
Hiring an unproven coach on the cheap might lead to another Flood => Possible but still a hypothetical
Flood sucks as a coach => NOT a hypothetical
Based on results on the field, much greater than possible. As an example, took Dantonio until year 7 before his break through at the B1G level (3 years at Cincy, 3 years at Michigan State). Do you have 6 years of patience, where Rutgers makes a low level bowl game every other year and those off years goes home for the holidays, to support an unproven coach while he's training at Rutgers?
If the answer is yes, I applaud you. For most of this fanbase, the unproven coach will be run out of town prior to the completion of his 6th year and we'll start all over again.
By that logic why stop there? One could argue that if the good people of New Jersey cared about Rutgers the same way people in Alabama do with their university, then maybe the Admin will be forced to care.
Can't boil the ocean. In a simple root cause analysis you stop at the element that is easiest to change with the most impact.
It will be easier to hire an up and coming coach looking for a chance at the big leagues than to change the minds and the attitude of the Administration.
It may be easier to change by replacing 1 person but that doesn't solve the problem if you believe the problem is more than 1 person. If you don't agree that the Administration is also to blame for the fact that we're at where we're at, then we have no conversation left.
I don't disagree that there will be plenty of people clamoring for change if the new coach doesn't win the B1G East coming out of the gate. Will I be one of them? That depends. I was very patient with Schiano because you could see that he was putting in the pieces. Just like I am patient with Julie. I am not the type that only look at results. I am more interested in the elements that led to the results. For example, I tell kids all the time, never work for money. Never look at the money. Work for the opportunity to develop skills, and eventually the money will come.
Now when it comes to Flood. There is nothing to me that suggest this man is capable of developing into a good coach. None. Zero. Like I continue to state here, I have never met or seen a more incompetent man. But more than the incompetence, I do not like what he represents - a program held hostage by someone who isn't even an alumn and simply an egotistical booster on a power trip.
What's more important? A good coach or a coach with experience at the P5 level?
For me, a good coach will likely be a good coach at any level. It's not a guarantee, but we've seen it time and time again. Just look at the top coaches in our division:
Urban Meyer -- Bowling Green (MAC -- coach of the year in the MAC), Utah (Mountain West coach of the year), Florida (won NC), Ohio State (won NC) early coaching resume included Colorado State and Notre Dame
Mark Dantonio -- Cincinnati (Conference USA -- led Cincy to first winning record in 23 years) -- early coaching resume included working of Ohio State w/Jim Tressel and Michigan State w/ Nick Saban
Jim Harbaugh -- University of San Diego (won back-to-back Pioneer League championships), Stanford (won coach of the year award)
The key is finding people who excel at the level they're at, whether it's winning the coach of the year or leading a team that hasn't won in a while to a winning record.
We can do better than Flood. There may be a lot of jobs open right now, but there are plenty of lower levels with coaches that are excelling -- coaches that will be the future great coaches in P5. People act like we can't afford a good coach. We may not be able to afford a good, name coach but that doesn't mean we can't afford a good coach. In fact, we probably can get one for what we're paying Flood right now.
For me, a good coach will likely be a good coach at any level. It's not a guarantee, but we've seen it time and time again. Just look at the top coaches in our division:
Urban Meyer -- Bowling Green (MAC -- coach of the year in the MAC), Utah (Mountain West coach of the year), Florida (won NC), Ohio State (won NC) early coaching resume included Colorado State and Notre Dame
Mark Dantonio -- Cincinnati (Conference USA -- led Cincy to first winning record in 23 years) -- early coaching resume included working of Ohio State w/Jim Tressel and Michigan State w/ Nick Saban
Jim Harbaugh -- University of San Diego (won back-to-back Pioneer League championships), Stanford (won coach of the year award)
The key is finding people who excel at the level they're at, whether it's winning the coach of the year or leading a team that hasn't won in a while to a winning record.
We can do better than Flood. There may be a lot of jobs open right now, but there are plenty of lower levels with coaches that are excelling -- coaches that will be the future great coaches in P5. People act like we can't afford a good coach. We may not be able to afford a good, name coach but that doesn't mean we can't afford a good coach. In fact, we probably can get one for what we're paying Flood right now.
Oh I agree the Admin is a big problem. I just think that's a much tougher nut to crack, if not near impossible. I'll tell you what though, winning in the same way 2006 happened will go a long way in changing that attitude.
All good points. I see Schiano's mission of building an FCS level Shea program into a competent FBS program as very different than the current position. Schiano had the advantage of a Big East conference that was changing over time, including programs that moved on to different conferences, and HC/Staff competition that was raided by other conferences on a yearly basis.
This situation is vastly different. These schools are not going anywhere and have a huge head start with resources and infrastructure. In addition, the new HC will be competing against some of the most experienced and successful HCs in the country in terms of producing winning teams with rosters of top talent. It will be a tough road for an up and coming, unproven coach, a road that he will most likely not have an opportunity to finish climbing without a fanbase and environment that is supportive and patient. I'm not convinced that will work here.
You are 100% accurate with your post. Unless a real commitment is made by the BOT & President to invest in our football program firing coach Flood for another poorly paid coach will net similar results. As a matter of fact I believe we could potentially do worse. Does anyone remember when we went from Graber to Shea?
Yes, but I also remember going from Shea to Schiano.
Bo Pelini, Dino Babers, or Pete Lembo would exponentially increase their salaries if we paid them what Flood gets.
Dino Babers already has 2 B1G wins this year. How about KF?
The "it could be worse than Flood tards" need to get it together. You really think that the next coach, even if he loses games, is going to have 6 arrests and an email scandal? You know how low the odds of that are?
Dino Babers already has 2 B1G wins this year. How about KF?
The "it could be worse than Flood tards" need to get it together. You really think that the next coach, even if he loses games, is going to have 6 arrests and an email scandal? You know how low the odds of that are?
I give coach Schiano a great deal of credit for his ability to recruit. He was a good coach but not great. He was thoroughly outclassed by Kelly & Ridriguez year in and year out. Even Edsall at UCONN won two Big East Titles. As a recruiter he gets an A, as a coach he gets a C+.
This is great. I was at Monmouth Park this year when American Pharoah ran in the Haskell. When Chris Christie tried to give the trophy to the Zyatt Family the place broke out in boos and some sections did the Coliseum thumbs down thing. lol
I hope you understand that in ancient Rome, the thumbs down signal was actually the signal to spare someone's life, since it indicated, symbolically, that the person was to remain on earth. Thumbs up, in fact, meant death.
Through the years, via movies and the like, the meaning was turned on its head, but back in the day that was the factual consequence of a thumbs down or thumbs up verdict.
Through the years, via movies and the like, the meaning was turned on its head, but back in the day that was the factual consequence of a thumbs down or thumbs up verdict.
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Bingo. It will take some effort but like you mentioned, you need to find someone who has been successful everywhere they have been, not someone who has never been a head coach anywhere before (ie Kyle Flood). The closest he ever got to being a head coach was when he was the AHC/OL coach at Delaware.
The argument that "Rutgers can't be a contender in the Big Ten without increased support from the administration" is not an argument to keep Kyle Flood on as head coach.
This isn't even about wins and losses, although I've always argued Flood was in over his head as an FBS HC. It's the fact that under Flood, everything about this program has gone backwards. The on-field product has devolved. There have been numerous off-field issues.
A new coach can't change the institutional issues at Rutgers, but there's a chance that coach might be able to keep us out of the news in a negative way, and at this point I'd take that.
This isn't even about wins and losses, although I've always argued Flood was in over his head as an FBS HC. It's the fact that under Flood, everything about this program has gone backwards. The on-field product has devolved. There have been numerous off-field issues.
A new coach can't change the institutional issues at Rutgers, but there's a chance that coach might be able to keep us out of the news in a negative way, and at this point I'd take that.
What i'd really like to believe is that there is a comprehensive strategy in place with a timeline that reflects what is best for the program and the transition will quick without a lot of drama. What would really be nice is for the A-holes that are flapping their gums without engaging their brains not turn this into to a bigger fiasco that further damages the program and Makes RU a laughing stock.
Except this time we're not under the gun to find a replacement within 48 hours of Signing Day.
This time, we don't have to settle for apparently the only guy in the Hale Center who WASN'T on the phone to Schiano or booking a flight to Tampa.
there were a select few supporting Fred Hill Jr to the bitter end on the basketball board as well...and the same questions were raised, we cant fire him because it costs money and who will we hire...and we saw how that whole fiasco of trying to save money blew in TPs face
every football fan I talk to is laughing at RU right now and cant believe Flood still has a job. its getting embarrassing
yep we should have kept that loser too...Fred and Kyle are two peas in a pod when it comes to coaching
and TP keeps giving RU the gift that keeps giving
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