How many “cylinder” calls have you seen this year? Two in the same half against the same team? Maybe I’ve seen one.
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Haven’t seen one all year .
It was two from the same ref - within a very short span - at a critical juncture of the game
Very very very odd
Both were fouls. Both times the defenders put their bodies into the players causing them to lose their balance. It’s either a push (w/o hands) or cylinder. Can’t call a travel on those.
Didn’t see Michigan do the same thing. I don’t remember prior games.
Didn’t see Michigan do the same thing. I don’t remember prior games.
It’s never called. I rewatched the end and I’m not sure the travel was a travel and not sure of the time out timing vs the double dribble but calling the cylinder is total bs and two possessions in a one possession game is a problem. Not saying we win nobody knows but that should not happen. They need to clean that up. That foul could be called literally every game. St johns would be in the penalty in 60 seconds.
Cylinder foul was called in the ISU / Houston game last week, called when reviewing what was originally called an offensive for flagrency. Offensive foul was waved off and defender given cylinder foul. It happens.
Those calls rewarded the offensive players for poor play. They were both in jail on the verge of 5 second calls and as the OP pointed out they were cylinder calls and not pushes. You never see it. Not why we lost but certainly impactful plays.
your question implies they weren't proper calls. they were, regardless of how often they are called. Refereeing is an art, each game different. Some games more contact is allowed, some games less.
RU got called for actual fouls. Makes no sense to plea "but they got away with that last game".
I think what you’re saying is that the calls are subjective. But then in a very tightly contested game they were all of a sudden called when many times they are not called. It makes absolute sense to say that there’s a rule on the book that is rarely called but just happened to be called twice in a row against Rutgers. If it’s an infraction, it should be called 100% of the time, not one percent of the time. Check your logic.
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With all due respect, you don't understand. That's not how officiating works.
Stars and hot players get calls, scrubs don't. Lopsided team fouls are then called the other way, so the final counts are more even, fouls can be called on every half court possession, but they aren't. The rules aren't enforced 100% in any sport. Sports are entertainment. Refs are there to manage the game, not to call every foul every time.
You think Harper's FTs against Washington were all on good calls ? Did you bitch about that ?
The Michigan players lost their balance with the ball and the refs had no choice. There is no anti-RU conspiracy. Sorry pal.
Just curious - did you not have a problem since they may have been technically correct? I can kinda understand that
But it doesn’t bother you that refs NEVER call that and that one ref pulls that one out of storage? Twice. In quick succession at a critical juncture
Imho, it’s kinda like a cop giving you a ticket for going 41 in a 40. Technically correct … but come on!!
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Not talking about a rule that’s enforced 100% of the time, pal. Talking about one that that’s enforced one percent of the time.
It doesn’t happen , it is extremely rare. Teams like Houston and St. John’s would have it called on every possession . They were 2 bull shit calls called against us . You can go rewatch the plays and they weren’t that egregious as the Michigan player was still able to spin. The Michigan player was never in a position to throw an elbow on the spin. Again total bullshit and added 2 more team fouls making us more skittish playing tight defense thereafter and affected it.
On top of that is a bullshit rule that punishes teams that play great man to man defense and don’t foul or touch the ball handler . They just make it difficult to pass or set up offense. It hurts a good defensive team or teams that press trying to get back on games.
I think the Rules Committee should definitely get rid of it this off season. Any rule that is hardly called all year and called indiscriminately not called the same by all refs is not a good rule. Rules are supposed to be universally enforced and this not.
It needs to be called more.
The defender can't be straddling the offensive players leg when they move.
If you move into them and their leg is between your leg then that's a foul.
You have to let them stand back up to neutral.
If the offensive player can't move into the space and body of a stationary defensive player, then a defensive player can't move into the space and body of an offensive player.
The defender can't be straddling the offensive players leg when they move.
If you move into them and their leg is between your leg then that's a foul.
You have to let them stand back up to neutral.
If the offensive player can't move into the space and body of a stationary defensive player, then a defensive player can't move into the space and body of an offensive player.
You don't get rid of it because it's not universally enforced.
You emphasize the rule to the ref and make sure it's called.
If refs stopped calling goaltending, you don't just get rid of it.
The need for a rule is independent of how much it's enforced by refs.
The necessity is an independent decision.
But that was not how it was called. Our defender did not go into the offensive players space rather the offensive dipped his body into the chest of our defender. So no it doesn’t have to be called more to bail out an offensive player who picks up his dribble in a bad spot and the defender does everything right to get a 5 second call.
I don’t think the cylinder rule should apply when you’re behind the ball-handler, unless your foot goes in front of his foot. If that happened in both cases then it was probably the right call, even though it’s rare.
If that did not happen then the rule should not apply, since the ball-handler had full access to his pivot moves.
If that did not happen then the rule should not apply, since the ball-handler had full access to his pivot moves.
Easier and more fair to eliminate the rule. As it is when a defender plays tight defense on a ball handler a foul is called 90 % of the time
I agree the rule sucks and should be eliminated, but if it stays then it should not apply in the circumstance I described.
It does happen, you are replying to an example from this week I gave you. I would probably agree, a Houston, or this years St. johns get away with it because they play good in your face defense at all times. Same as RU used to and would get away a committing defensive fouls.
Bullshit calls or not, we still had a lead w one second to go and they aren't why we lost.
Ha, good point, they almost have completely stopped calling that. Dylan could have been called for carry 6 times on one trip up the court. Its made it much harder on defenders.
This is exactly correct and what happened, described better than Shelby did. Martini was humping the guy forcing him to lose his balance. Foul all day long, borderline disturbing.
No, aggressively standing over and pushing him with your body so that he loses his balance is probably called almost all the time.
I found this via Google AI:
AI Overview
The "cylinder rule" is not actually used in the NBA to judge contact, meaning it is not applied at all in modern basketball games; the league focuses on judging player positioning and contact based on "normal" basketball movements, not an imaginary cylinder above the basket.
Key points about the cylinder rule in the NBA:
- Outdated concept:
While the "cylinder rule" was once part of basketball rules, it was removed long ago.
- No official reference:
The NBA rulebook does not mention a cylinder principle when determining fouls.
- Focus on natural movement:
Referees instead judge whether a player is in a "normal" position when making contact, avoiding unnecessary interpretations based on an imaginary cylinder.
Then it’s clear you don’t get it’s what our guys were doing on those calls. Pushing them to the point they had to move their feet.
I'll make the joke.
NBA defenders never get close enough to actually invade the cylinder.
Give me a break. They do not call 3 seconds anymore despite fans screaming for it and it has disappeared. Carrying gets called only when blant and an advantage has been created by the offensive player. The cylinder rule is hardly ever called. 3 rules that you can emphasize but are no longer a part of the game. The cylinder rule the most useless one because a foul can be called with contact but 3 seconds needs to be an enforced rule and it is not. Carrying the ball but just dribbling going no where is tolerated even though it isa rule but because no advantage is created it isn’t called
Whopper word salad there. It’s not an advantage for the defending player to nearly shove the ball handler with his body forcing him to lose balance? It’s not often called because it’s not often so blatant. On this planet it’s never ok to lean in so hard to knock a guy down. Had it not happened in a game but on the street instead what Martini did was nearly a sex crime.
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Stop insisting that “Pushing them to the point they had to move their feet” is other than a foul. Or is a push not a foul?
Of course it’s an obvious foul. Never said otherwise. You’re the one insisting it wasn’t a clear foul and shouldn’t have been called, and on top of that there’s an anti-RU conspiracy proved by those calls. Ridiculous. Those were two textbook fouls on RU, period.
Bad 2nd half play gave rise to the loss, not the officiating. Look no further than the Davis and Sommerville defensive shitshow and their wasting possessions with bad shots, or should I say, airballs.
Bad 2nd half play gave rise to the loss, not the officiating. Look no further than the Davis and Sommerville defensive shitshow and their wasting possessions with bad shots, or should I say, airballs.
