Basketball Rutgers Basketball loses at the buzzer to No. 15 Michigan 84-82

[Shelby65]

Normally I would agree with you. Yes, we were cold in the second half but the officials hosed us big time. The disparity in FT’s was 31 to 15. And the blatant travel by Burnett with 6.9 seconds should have sealed the game for us.

It’s not a disparity when one team takes it strong and the other takes outside jumpers. The cylinder calls shaky but on balance Michigan earned the big FTA edge.

This is what happens when you’re totally outclassed by bigs. Lathan is a terrible defender, and Ogbole is even worse.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Look at the way we approached the last 5 minutes offensively. That's why we lost. Pike just sucks, accept it.

We lost by 2 on the road to the 15th ranked team by a buzzer beater from 26 feet.

Wrong game to be down on Pike.

 

[RU_UniWatch]

It speaks to focus or lack thereof, Dylan clearly had a brain fart lack or lack of focus on the final play.

Did you have a brain fart when you wished Ogbole tore his other meniscus earlier in this thread? Loser.

 

[Salvi's Headband]

That feels true, Ace bouncing out of the final timeout to Dr. Dre song and Dylan falling asleep on defense after the timeout on last play are two prime examples. If they win they win, if they don’t they don’t, JWill will crack some jokes for the fellas in the locker, it’s all good…..that is how this team strikes me. They never developed an ability to make enough winning plays.

Dylan looked like he got punched in the stomach when the ball went in. You don't know wtf you're talking about

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

the silver lining from tonight....im sure someone will start it up after a win over Purdue

I am getting nightmares already about all tge switches Braden Smith forced and expolited

 

[Treaster51]

Luckily when I look at schedules it’s likely we make the big ten tournament without having to win another game

 

[RuWishBone]

That was high level basketball we witnessed tonight and entertaining, great drama but somebody had to loose. It you love the game it was a great night. If you love Rutgers not so good.

 

[SBP]

It was a deep three
Had he been closer to your normal three Harper would have come out

Bs dude. Lackadaisical coverage. Not even debatable

 

[Joey Bags]

Luckily when I look at schedules it’s likely we make the big ten tournament without having to win another game

if we lose out, there is no way we’re making it. The chips will not fall in our favor.

 

[BOCA93]

Turning point IMO was around 11 min mark, still up by 10. Pike choosing to roll the dice with EO way too long and trying to save the TO. Pretty sure DH was on the bench.

 

[Rokodesh]

Next game pike needs to take a steel chair and break it over the refs head like the undertaker. Show him we're not putting up with this BS.

 

[Mr Magoo]

I saw a guy smile on the bench during a loss once so I’ve concluded that these athletes who have dedicated their lives to basketball care less about the game than message board posters.

I think some of them do and some don’t. Some also care more about their game than the game at hand, however. It’s the lack of accountability and half-assed effort half of the time…not the smiles. Sorry you can’t see that. That’s just the way it is but moreso with this group, who have gotten better but is still going to finish under .500 with two lottery picks and 6 cupcakes on the schedule… glad it doesn’t bother you though.

 

[Treaster51]

if we lose out, there is no way we’re making it. The chips will not fall in our favor.

We will see. I think good chance we still do. Iowa and NW play this weekend . Loser of that game is a full game behind us . Both teams last 2 games ..

NW: ucla , @md
Iowa : MSU, @Nebraska

One of those two very possibly loses out. Even if they don’t there are other combos that get us in. Washington and PSU done . Just need to finish ahead of 1 other team

 

[darkcheck]

Look at the way we approached the last 5 minutes offensively. That's why we lost. Pike just sucks, accept it.

Not arguing with you. A lot of blown big leads since March 2021

 

[fluoxetine]

I think some of them do and some don’t. Some also care more about their game than the game at hand, however. It’s the lack of accountability and half-assed effort half of the time…not the smiles. Sorry you can’t see that. That’s just the way it is but moreso with this group, who have gotten better but is still going to finish under .500 with two lottery picks and 6 cupcakes on the schedule… glad it doesn’t bother you though.

You have absolutely no idea what is going on inside any player's head, you are just butthurt about them losing and equate any bad play with lack of effort.

But as a general starting point, anyone on the court cares about the game more than you 99.9999% of the time.

 

[BOCA93]

Before the possession the announcers agreed -- down one, first good shot. I seriously doubt any seasoned coach would have called it differently.

Maybe I’d agree if we still had a team of defensive minded Caleb McConnels to deny the final shot. And I don’t doubt the analytics and coaches would say take first good look. But hate seeing the home team get a shot to win the game on final possession. And as a lifelong RU fan you knew it would play out that way

 

[Shelby65]

Not arguing with you. A lot of blown big leads since March 2021

Harper got the flu with 3:30 left.

 

[fluoxetine]

Not arguing with you. A lot of blown big leads since March 2021

Have there been? How many games with "big" leads have we blown under Pike and how many of them did you expect to blow? (Obviously more than zero if we are counting 12 points with 10 minutes as a "big" lead.)

 

[Mr Magoo]

No point in worrying about making the B1G tournament. Very good chance we lose at Purdue and if this team can’t beat Minnesota at home with a possible B1G torunament birth on the line, they truly don’t deserve to be in it.

 

[cm_13]

Maybe I’d agree if we still had a team of defensive minded Caleb McConnels to deny the final shot. And I don’t doubt the analytics and coaches would say take first good look. But hate seeing the home team get a shot to win the game on final possession. And as a lifelong RU fan you knew it would play out that way

You extend the game. If you make it you have the lead and try to get a stop, if you miss you foul and are at worst down 3. Holding for the last shot when you’re losing by 1 is absolutely the wrong decision.

 

[Mr Magoo]

You have absolutely no idea what is going on inside any player's head, you are just butthurt about them losing and equate any bad play with lack of effort.

But as a general starting point, anyone on the court cares about the game more than you 99.9999% of the time.

You think it’s about today? lol. This was one of our better games. Keep celebrating mediocrity.

 

[Degaz-RU]

1st Half	21-31	68%	8-15	53%	7-9	78%
2nd Half	9-36	25%	1-10	10%	6-9	67%
Game	30-67	44.8%	9-25	36.0%	13-18	72.2%

I’ve never seen such a difference from the first half to the second half. Makes you want to vomit.

 

[fluoxetine]

the silver lining from tonight....im sure someone will start it up after a win over Purdue

Just going to leave this here....

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[fluoxetine]

You have absolutely no idea what is going on inside any player's head, you are just butthurt about them losing and equate any bad play with lack of effort.

But as a general starting point, anyone on the court cares about the game more than you 99.9999% of the time.

You think it’s about today? lol. This was one of our better games. Keep celebrating mediocrity.

This is not responsive to my post. Celebrating mediocrity is what your parents did when you were born.

 

[Mholinko]

1st Half	21-31	68%	8-15	53%	7-9	78%
2nd Half	9-36	25%	1-10	10%	6-9	67%
Game	30-67	44.8%	9-25	36.0%	13-18	72.2%

I’ve never seen such a difference from the first half to the second half. Makes you want to vomit.

You had to know it was coming… I said to my buddy right at half we needed to be leading by more at half shooting like that

 

[Mr Magoo]

This is not responsive to my post. Celebrating mediocrity is what your parents did when you were born.

😆. 3rd grade, but ok.

 

[RUJMM78]

That was high level basketball we witnessed tonight and entertaining, great drama but somebody had to loose. It you love the game it was a great night. If you love Rutgers not so good.

High level offense in the first half but poor defense for most of the game.Playing on the road the referees tend to favor the home team which was seen in this game.Bottom line Rutgers failed to make shots in the second half and Michigan made a 3 pointer to win the game.The team simply lacks the coaching and the talent to win nail biter type games.In contrast Michigan is tied for first place because of all the wins by less than 4 points.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

It's difficult for me to express just how much it bothers me that we don't run an offense. I mean, if I was coaching a JCC team of 10 year olds, and the players did what we do on offense, I'd be embarrassed. Yet here we are ... every f--king game; same shit.

The funniest thing the entire night was when we had the ball down one with a handful of seconds on the clock and during the time out the announcer says "You've got to believe Rutgers is going to be setting a pick and roll between Harper and Bailey ..." and I'm sitting at home muttering at the TV, "No, you don't have to believe that. We haven't run a pick and roll once all f--king season. We should, but we don't. We're not even going to run a play coming out of this time out."

 

[darkcheck]

Have there been? How many games with "big" leads have we blown under Pike and how many of them did you expect to blow? (Obviously more than zero if we are counting 12 points with 10 minutes as a "big" lead.)

Tonight. I seem to remember 9-10 point leads vs Iowa and tx A&M. I know Minnesota two years ago. Of course hou four years ago. I’ll look for more but not if you don’t consider 12 a big lead.

It certainly doesn’t seem like we come back from deficits like that to win very often.

 

[bac2therac]

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comical

 

[fluoxetine]

Tonight. I seem to remember 9-10 point leads vs Iowa and tx A&M. I know Minnesota two years ago. Of course hou four years ago. I’ll look for more but not if you don’t consider 12 a big lead.

It certainly doesn’t seem like we come back from deficits like that to win very often.

I think 12 is fine to call a big lead but ESPN gave Michigan a ~10% to comeback at their lowest point so you definitely expect to blow some of those.

You don't have to look for examples because if we're going to analyze it we really need to look at every example when we had such a lead and that will be a lot of work.

We were up 11 on Iowa though that was in the first half. We were up 9 on Texas A&M but only like 73% to win at that point (per Bart model) so.. meh.

Couple of examples of Rutgers combacks:
Down 10 to Purdue with 8 minutes left in the RHJ buzzer beater game
Down 8 to Ohio St with 4 minutes left same season
Down 19 with 17 minutes left against Penn State in 2023

 

[bac2therac]

That was high level basketball we witnessed tonight and entertaining, great drama but somebody had to loose. It you love the game it was a great night. If you love Rutgers not so good.

high level for 29 minutes and then RU played like ass for 11 minutes

 

[bac2therac]

I think 12 is fine to call a big lead but ESPN gave Michigan a ~10% to comeback at their lowest point so you definitely expect to blow some of those.

You don't have to look for examples because if we're going to analyze it we really need to look at every example when we had such a lead and that will be a lot of work.

We were up 11 on Iowa though that was in the first half. We were up 9 on Texas A&M but only like 73% to win at that point (per Bart model) so.. meh.

Couple of examples of Rutgers combacks:
Down 10 to Purdue with 8 minutes left in the RHJ buzzer beater game
Down 8 to Ohio St with 4 minutes left same season
Down 19 with 17 minutes left against Penn State in 2023

RU had a huge lead at Ohio State like 15 points they blew during Myles time

Minnesota up 10 vs a team with no pulse

RU had a huge lead over PSU this year and they had the ball to tie at the end

was the wisky game a few years back one where RU was up big and then held on

Its not so much RU blew a 12 point lead, it was scoring just 8 points in the last 11 minutes

generally these things even out...you win some, you lose some

 

[PiscatawayMike]

I think 12 is fine to call a big lead but ESPN gave Michigan a ~10% to comeback at their lowest point so you definitely expect to blow some of those.

You don't have to look for examples because if we're going to analyze it we really need to look at every example when we had such a lead and that will be a lot of work.

We were up 11 on Iowa though that was in the first half. We were up 9 on Texas A&M but only like 73% to win at that point (per Bart model) so.. meh.

Couple of examples of Rutgers combacks:
Down 10 to Purdue with 8 minutes left in the RHJ buzzer beater game
Down 8 to Ohio St with 4 minutes left same season
Down 19 with 17 minutes left against Penn State in 2023

This one is among my favorites. Geo at his best...

https://rutgers.rivals.com/news/baker-cooks-up-rutgers-comeback-win-over-northwestern

 

[fluoxetine]

RU had a huge lead at Ohio State like 15 points they blew during Myles time

Minnesota up 10 vs a team with no pulse

RU had a huge lead over PSU this year and they had the ball to tie at the end

was the wisky game a few years back one where RU was up big and then held on

Its not so much RU blew a 12 point lead, it was scoring just 8 points in the last 11 minutes

generally these things even out...you win some, you lose some

I'm not counting ones where we held onto win. If we're doing that then I'll throw that Northwestern game in 2022 where we came back from 24 down in the 2nd half to force overtime into the comeback examples.

I'm also not trying to say we haven't blown any. I don't think being 10 points up or down with 10 left is as much of a lock as people make it out to be, so just pulling out examples either way isn't going to mean much. You're always going to blow some. If we want to argue Pike is bad at holding on to leads we really need to pull all of them and compare his success to some model of how many he would be expected to blow.

I might do this someday but it sounds like a lot of work lol.

 

[fluoxetine]

This one is among my favorites. Geo at his best...

https://rutgers.rivals.com/news/baker-cooks-up-rutgers-comeback-win-over-northwestern

Oh shit I can't believe I forgot that one.

 

[darkcheck]

I'm not counting ones where we held onto win. If we're doing that then I'll throw that Northwestern game in 2022 where we came back from 24 down in the 2nd half to force overtime into the comeback examples.

I'm also not trying to say we haven't blown any. I don't think being 10 points up or down with 10 left is as much of a lock as people make it out to be, so just pulling out examples either way isn't going to mean much. You're always going to blow some. If we want to argue Pike is bad at holding on to leads we really need to pull all of them and compare his success to some model of how many he would be expected to blow.

I might do this someday but it sounds like a lot of work lol.

It is too much work. In my head I’m sitting there thinking blown double digit leads in the second half. But then for it to be relevant you’d want to know the amount for all power Conf teams. It’s too much work and In the end you’re right it probably evens out. Just the sting tonight makes it feel lopsided. I’ll go to bed thinking how much fun 2019-22 was.

 

[RUDivision]

We lost by 2 on the road to the 15th ranked team by a buzzer beater from 26 feet.

Wrong game to be down on Pike.

LOST

 

[RUDivision]

We lost by 2 on the road to the 15th ranked team by a buzzer beater from 26 feet.

Wrong game to be down on Pike.

Unless you factor in the double digit lead with under 10:00 to go. Unless you factor in the Houston game revisited. Pike tried to milk the clock on e every possession and it cost him again. Unless you factor in Pike watching the lead slip away and waiting to long to stop the bleeding. I can go on but not the day .

 

[jtung230]

Unless you factor in the double digit lead with under 10:00 to go. Unless you factor in the Houston game revisited. Pike tried to milk the clock on e every possession and it cost him again. Unless you factor in Pike watching the lead slip away and waiting to long to stop the bleeding. I can go on but not the day .

Double digit lead? LOL. The difference in this game is that they milk the clock and got good looks. Players just couldn’t make a bucket. Houston was completely different. We milk the clock with no thought of scoring