Basketball Rutgers Basketball's upset bid of No. 9 Alabama falls short in second Players Era game
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This is silly. How does one “enforce” free throw shooting? (Also our team FT is fine fwiw). I’m fairly sure a coach who has produced 3 top 10 defenses and another top 20 defense here coaches defensive fundamentals.
Boards and 3 point shooting is how they beat people. They looked legit to me.
A “whopper of an if” is a huge exaggeration but yeah he’s not a good shooter. In general we’ll be better than the 2/13 we had in this game.
I think we could have flipped to zone. Had nobody that could keep up with Seers speed but at same time you do that it hurts our fast break. Needed to stop the penetrate & dish.
Our outside shooting has to get better.
Think it's more like guys arent getting enough looks with DH & AB getting most of shots. 2 or 3 shots are not going to get you in a groove
the D needs to stay disciplined if you got Seers driving and beats 1st guy and cross court big slides over you need someone up top to slide down and cover backside. Need to rotate better
Flip to zone to get him on floor and looks. In the dinasauer B1G he mat flourish.
Ogbole just needs to board and make the shors around the basket. Hes 270lbs built like a brickhouse there should be nobody to stop him within 5ft. Needs to slow it down and use his body more effectively
The B1G isn’t that anymore. It’s just as athletic as other conferences now.
I don’t mind being slower than Alabama. Very good, athletic team. But it’s a concern that Hayes and Martini couldn’t get good looks against ND.
The game seems too fast for these two in particular, on both ends.
I’m talking about yesterday. He got hit a lot with no calls. Literally got run over on one play and got nothing
Fair, he did only draw 3 yesterday, below average and he was involved a lot. Definitely thought he should have drawn the foul you mention.
Following up to say that according to Politi, Cliff laughed when they asked who he'd be a fan of after playing/school, and said com'on I'm a Rutgers Alum.
Apparently got his degree delivered while in Vegas. Some things are bigger than a single season of sports. I'm rooting for Cliff anytime he isn't playing against us.
You make them practice it at the beginning and end of every practice and you don't let them do anything else until they demonstrate they are routinely making a responsible percentage. You know, the same way high school coaches have been doing it for 80 years.
Are you at practice? I have no reason to believe they aren’t practicing free throws at whatever the normal rate is for a college basketball team. The main reason a bunch of Pike’s teams have struggled shooting free throws is the same reason they’ve struggled at 3-point shooting: bad shooters.
Amen ! By this point in their hoops careers, either they can shoot or they can’t.
I don't believe that. Anybody can be consistantly good at free throws. NBA players who couldh't hit the backboard in college become 75% free throw shooters in the pros. Why? Because the coaching staffs make it clear that if they can't consistantly make their free throws, they won't play.
Do you have examples? Also, were those examples (if you have them) coached by Pike or are you now implying that college coaches in general don’t know how to tell guys to practice free throw shooting?
Giannis is shooting 60% from the line just year. Is he too stupid to practice?
Pick any random year and look at the college basketball rebounding leaders. Then pick out each player on the leaderboard that wound up having a pro career. Then look at their free throw percentages in college vs the pros - almost all of them will be 10% higher in the pros. Why? Because they had to be or they wouldn't play, so they practiced it. The only ones who won't be are the mega stars (Giannis) - because they are going to play even if they can't make free throws.
I'll do you one better ... can you find three players in the pros that had a better free throw percentage in college?
I think you are pretty far afield here because you were originally saying that Pike is bad for not "enforcing free throws" which is something that "any highschool coach does". Now you are telling me, in fact, that no college coaches are "enforcing free throws" since all of these players (who mostly went to elite programs with elite college coaches) are improving when they get to the pros. You're basically arguing the opposite of your original point.
I looked up the top 10 rebounders from 2022 and got through like the first 8 of them and they had played like 10 NBA games total so that method did not work particuarily well.
I would not expect many players to get worse over time at free throws (why would this happen, good coaching or not?).
For example, Andre Drummond shot 29.5% from the line at UConn when he played for noted crappy coach Jim Calhoun. He went on to improve this to a sparkling 48.3% in his NBA career. Is your position that this was Calhoun's fault?
Also
Shaq 57.5% college, 52.7% pro
Mason Plumlee 58.3% college, 57.3% pro
Ben Simmons 67% college, 59% pro
Shaq 57.5% college, 52.7% pro
Mason Plumlee 58.3% college, 57.3% pro
Ben Simmons 67% college, 59% pro
Just looking at the top guys last season with the highest FTA and their college FT% (excluding guys without college stats like Giannis, Lebron, etc)
Player: NBA% / College%
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander: 87.4% / 81.7%
Demar DeRozan: 85.3% / 64.6%
Paolo Banchero: 72.5% / 72.9%
Anthony Davis: 80.6% / 71.9%
Damian Lillard: 92.0% / 86.7%
Anthony Edwads: 83.6% / 77.2%
Jalen Brunson: 84.7% / 82.0%
Jayson Tatum: 83.3% / 84.9%
Zion Williamson: 70.2% / 64.0%
Jimmy Butler: 85.8% / 75.3%
Most improved from college to the pros, though some didn't. Interestingly, all but like 3 of these guys only spent a single year in college and have spent multiple years in the pros. More practice/game reps over time with FTs will generally lead to better outcomes.
