Rutgers under NCAA investigation...
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lol....now will the few remaining "Floodies" please finally understand why I kept saying, and have been saying for 3+ years now, that there was MORE to my stance against Flood than just the on-field issues and recruiting failures? I don't make shit up people. Never have, never will!
(don't worry plenty on these boards, including John and a couple other mods/contributors, can back me up...).
(don't worry plenty on these boards, including John and a couple other mods/contributors, can back me up...).
Didn't we know all this already? The drug tests were even discussed here? We self reported all this crap. Nothing comes of this.
@huskersalways it was weed.
@huskersalways it was weed.
looks like all level 2 violations-so maybe a few schollies and some vacated wins. Cant see anymore than this unless the drug testing procedure is more than meets the eye. Having coaches provide hookers and school's providing fake classes doesn't seem to get teams in trouble, so this should be a solid hand slap!
goes back to Schianos last year..and part of that year when Flood took over..allowing 16 players to play who failed drug tests is a problem....I think..maybe lose some ships..
bad time for this to come out for recruiting RU has 90 days to respond..this will drag onwards for a while till summer?
I dont think we self reported drug testing violations from 2011 ..did we?
bad time for this to come out for recruiting RU has 90 days to respond..this will drag onwards for a while till summer?
I dont think we self reported drug testing violations from 2011 ..did we?
I wanted him gone in 2014.
In some ways what he did was worse than Shea.
We should just agree to a bowl ban next year as I'm not seeing it anyway. The drug violations are very wrong and troubling.
In some ways what he did was worse than Shea.
We should just agree to a bowl ban next year as I'm not seeing it anyway. The drug violations are very wrong and troubling.
That doesn't mean much. Every schools has policies as to how many tests you can flunk prior to being suspended. If you think every other school out there doesn't have kids flunking drug tests, left-and-right, then I'm not sure what to tell you.
The problem with the drug tests is how Flood handled things.
It has nothing to do with current recruiting and will have very, very little, if any, affect whatsoever. IMHO we won't lose scholarships. Probably just vacate some wins and be banned from a bowl game in 2017.
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I remember talking w/ some RU positoids and they swore that we would never get NCAA violations and that all the worst was over two years ago. Guess not!!
Let me state up front that this is a legitimate news story. Having said that, anyone else believe the SL is going to flog this story to death over the next 6 months?
Perhaps RU made a mistake going to the B1G. They should have contacted the SEC, where if it ain't Level I it ain't a story.
Perhaps RU made a mistake going to the B1G. They should have contacted the SEC, where if it ain't Level I it ain't a story.
Sweeney was the root of this problem. I bet she still thinks she did something positive. "WE DID IT!"
She's a monster that sacrificed the best interests of her Alma Mater for her sh*itty political agenda.
5 schollies for 2 years? I would think that's a lot for non-level 1 violations.
From the story:
Sources say the entire Rutgers case has been given an initial Level II designation by the NCAA enforcement staff in its four-level violation structure.
Level 2 violations -- which are considered less serious than Level 1 -- are defined by the NCAA as "violations that provide or are intended to provide more than a minimal but less than a substantial or extensive recruiting, competitive or other advantage; includes more than a minimal but less than a substantial or extensive impermissible benefit; or involves conduct that may compromise the integrity of the NCAA collegiate model as set forth in the Constitution and bylaws.''
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Will they take into account that KF himself inherently provided an enormous competitive and recruiting disadvantage?
Sources say the entire Rutgers case has been given an initial Level II designation by the NCAA enforcement staff in its four-level violation structure.
Level 2 violations -- which are considered less serious than Level 1 -- are defined by the NCAA as "violations that provide or are intended to provide more than a minimal but less than a substantial or extensive recruiting, competitive or other advantage; includes more than a minimal but less than a substantial or extensive impermissible benefit; or involves conduct that may compromise the integrity of the NCAA collegiate model as set forth in the Constitution and bylaws.''
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Will they take into account that KF himself inherently provided an enormous competitive and recruiting disadvantage?
I think taking down the Flood statue, vacating his wins for those years, paying civil penalties then getting back the wins and thinking about putting the statue back up is a good punishment.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Twenty Seven! Twenty Seven! Twenty Seven! LOL
I think the school should be forced to remove Flood's statue from in front of the Hale Center.
In previous posts I have mentioned the decision by the AD and administration to go cheap in getting Schianos replacement. They are the ones responsible for this mess. I might add that this "going cheap" since we went big time, post Burns, has cost us way more ($$$ and reputation) than what the cost would have been to hire competent competitive football and basketball staffs. Big time sports is very complicated and competitive, you need competent well paid individuals running it. I don't know much about Coach Kill, but the fact that RU was willing to pay 600k+ for his services is a step in the right direction.
Not a big deal, like I said PSU has set the low bar for ethics.
UNC has set the low bar for academics. You should see no penalties or sanctions until UNC does for no show and no work classes.
However, this will hurt you in recruiting this year. That's not good. I'm sure other coaches are texting kids now saying you won't be eligible for a bowl. Unfortunately that's how this works. Probably should try to blame the Russians.
UNC has set the low bar for academics. You should see no penalties or sanctions until UNC does for no show and no work classes.
However, this will hurt you in recruiting this year. That's not good. I'm sure other coaches are texting kids now saying you won't be eligible for a bowl. Unfortunately that's how this works. Probably should try to blame the Russians.
Who are these remaining Floodies?? Out them!! The faceless enemy of Rutgersfan strikes again!!
In all seriousness, the "stupid" would be anyone who is surprised by this. The public reasons given for the termination of Kyle Flood were NCAA infractions. All of the alleged events except for one were public knowledge when they occurred (drug tests, hostesses, paper help/contacting professer). Of course there was going to be an NOA. I expect the school will respond and an ANOA will be issued lessening the severity of the charges. We took appropriate and far reaching action at the institutional level.
There is no way we will lose 5 scholarships. Remember, we are in the Big Ten now. So while we may be "small-time" in the eyes of the public, we are big time as far as conference is concerned. We will be dealt with lightly, probably in 2018.
And now we have a potential reason why Schiano and Rutgers had no interest in each other after Flood was fired.
Awards for posters who wanted Flood fired will be distributed next week and given in order, by year. Posters who wanted him fired in 2010 will receive their awards Monday. Posters who waited until 2011 will receive theirs Tuesday. And so on. Posters are only eligible to receive one award. No additional awards will be given to posters who repeated themselves week after week for years. Posters who continually reminded us that they wanted him fired in 20xx will be ineligible for any awards.
Good Lord, Flood's tenure was such a cataclysmic train wreck on so many levels it's hard to fully take it all in. It appears that about the only positive thing that resulted from his tenure was that he finally got fired. -Even with that, though, he continues to keep coming back to haunt Rutgers football like some unwelcome specter that can't be completely exorcised.
Though it will never happen, (unfortunately), I wouldn't fault the University at all in attempting to get back some of the money that's been shelled out to this inept joker. Just on the basis of absolute incompetence alone, by rights KF should owe RU some sort of rebate.
Though it will never happen, (unfortunately), I wouldn't fault the University at all in attempting to get back some of the money that's been shelled out to this inept joker. Just on the basis of absolute incompetence alone, by rights KF should owe RU some sort of rebate.
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Pretty much this. Admit you're guilty and get the book thrown at you. Drag your feet, admit nothing, and be generally uncooperative and you can keep cheating while still technically under investigation.
But this sham is nothing new. NCAA = the power schools, the power schools = NCAA. In real life, true self regulation is practically non-existent, let alone in the fantasyland of college sports..
Unfortunately, the NCAA serves it's powerful member schools quite well. Provide political cover to keep the money train rolling. If the have little or nots suffer a bit, so be it. They can take their ball and go home if they wish. Let RU eat cake.
