Rutgers under NCAA investigation...
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Head coach probably not, but someone might take a chance with him as an assistant.
Might be at a FCS school at first .
Not only were failed drug tests not reported and players allowed to continue to play, but there were numerous instances where RU FB players were instructed to take drug tests and they REFUSED to submit to them. Floods response to this ? He did nothing about it and let them continue to play without submitting to the drug tests. That tells me that there would have been more failed drug tests from players who refused them.
This info came indirectly from a member of the staff and was common knowledge around the team.
Well aware; preferential treatment, too, not good for business.
How could the NCAA even take away wins if they reinstated Joe Paterno's 409 wins or whatever .. and UNC had NO CLASSES for 10 years in both fb and bball and won a national championship with those players ... I doubt this is more than a fine. But don't worry, NJ .com will write 10 articles in the next months for why we deserve the death penalty. Which will then be picked up by the NYT, the ESPN, and then we'll all have to hear about it from our uninformed friends. Thus is the process.
looks like Barchi and Hobbs knew this NCAA invest was still going on,even after they self reported it to NCAA.at time of Hobbs hire..this will linger onwards for 10 months ,if RU appeals it in next 90 days.It will be used against RU for recruiting in next 30 days and entire next class unless RU can get it resolved earlier with NCAA.
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This is old news, the NCAA is just getting caught up. Hopefully the punishment has already been served by firing everyone and prosecuting the former players.
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Are drug testing policies set by the NCAA or the schools? Randy Gregory is on record saying that he failed 2 drug tests at Nebraska and was told that he would get kicked out of school if he failed a third test. Don't think he was ever suspended in college. Not sure if it's true but I heard a Dallas Cowboys writer say that Nebraska stopped testing him because they knew he would fail.
Schools set their own policies. Way too difficult for the NCAA to handle this on their own with how many colleges?
So far this has not been the case, they hated Hermann and Flood as much as anyone:
you forget Carino..he is calling for Barchi's head
do not be fooled by the NJ press...they are the enemies
HUH?:confused: We hired a firm that deals in NCAA infractions. We're the one's who investigated the infractions and self reported. The NCAA took our findings and found no further investigation was needed and issued an NOA. The hiring of the firm was reported close to a year ago.
Maybe universities should start putting clawbacks into coaches contracts that will provide them with the ability to recoup a portion of their compensation if they are no longer with university and NCAA infractions are identified within a 5 year window.
"RecRUiting hostess violations"? Sounds like one of my fantasies! Though 2 degrees from RU and my 1st Masters from UNC I think I still have 4 years of eligibility left. May I give some hostesses, cheerleaders or dance team members (or female sports recRUits) my own version of the "Big Ten?"
Damn. I may have to voluntarily ban myself from hookers and blow for a year for having ever defended Flood. Never thought he was the coach to make this program competitive in the Big Ten. But I had no idea how rotten things got inside the program. :confused:
Didn't four Notre Dame players get caught with weed early this past season, and played the same week? I spoke to a huge ND fan, his exact words "they'll run several articles, then sweep it under a rug."
When they investigated NC, they just kept on finding more violations......I guess they can't ruin one of their "brands" with severe sanctions.
I have always believed that many people around the country hate NJ and New York. I think this in part is why North Carolina can get a slap on the wrist for players raping coeds and the creation of a systemic system of fake classes.
It this had happened at RU, we would be playing in the Patriot League next year.
It this had happened at RU, we would be playing in the Patriot League next year.
Your response is spot on as long as you ignore the stories about what happened at "Slick Jim's" previous position.
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I was never a Flood fan, but I as well was quite naïve when it came to the depths of buffoonery running amok off the field. I knew it was bad, but this is getting quite absurd. The name Kyle Flood will not be remembered kindly.
He knew who he could manage when they were on campus. The worst was on his watch when 2 NFL starters smoked a joint
The report says the 11-12 academic year. Which violations are from November?
The problem was as I recall, money. Maybe that goes back to your earlier point over Barchi. But who knew what, when?
Doubt it...though he may have something in common with Jim Tressel...a show cause order
Everyone says money is the problem, but obviously it is not the problem. Rutgers ultimately fired Flood and Hermann, and money was not a problem. When Rice, Pernetti, and Jordan were fired, money wasn't a problem. The money is always there to fire any coach or AD. Money is not the problem. The problem is putting together the case for firing them. That's where Hermann failed when she wanted to fire Flood.
Well, when JH and Flood/Jordan were fired we already were in the B1G. Rice and Pernetti we were international media.
I would agree she needed to the make the case. I just wonder what info she had, and if she was rebuffed, on what basis. It was not as cut and dry as Rice was with the video. I do wonder if we will hear more of those discussions.
What I posted in the "awkward" thread:
"After listening to a couple SiriusXM shows with KF, I have a more favorable impression of him. Not to the extent that I want him to coach here again or to say that he should not have been canned, but he does have what I would call good "football operations" knowledge. You get a different, and not altogether accurate side of a coach when you see that coach doing the public speaking that is part of the HC job..the pressers, fundraising speeches, game of the week commentary. In this forum and in his post-HC part of his life, he has little to hold him back."
I think this thread is a good place to add the Captain Obvious point that while he was knowledgeable about football, he wasn't so good at the administrative/managerial side of the HC job. When you don't do that side of the job well, you take Sirius XM gigs or do confessionals on Between The Lines waiting during your "time-out" for an AD, a college president, big money boosters and trustees to give you absolution and a five-year contract. I'll bet the house that if Flood gets another college coaching job, he will take that online NCAA compliance training course on day one.
"After listening to a couple SiriusXM shows with KF, I have a more favorable impression of him. Not to the extent that I want him to coach here again or to say that he should not have been canned, but he does have what I would call good "football operations" knowledge. You get a different, and not altogether accurate side of a coach when you see that coach doing the public speaking that is part of the HC job..the pressers, fundraising speeches, game of the week commentary. In this forum and in his post-HC part of his life, he has little to hold him back."
I think this thread is a good place to add the Captain Obvious point that while he was knowledgeable about football, he wasn't so good at the administrative/managerial side of the HC job. When you don't do that side of the job well, you take Sirius XM gigs or do confessionals on Between The Lines waiting during your "time-out" for an AD, a college president, big money boosters and trustees to give you absolution and a five-year contract. I'll bet the house that if Flood gets another college coaching job, he will take that online NCAA compliance training course on day one.
it does not say but November 2011 was indicated as the FROM date so yes thats under GS and Pernetti's watch
When Rice and Pernetti were fired, we were already invited to the B1G. But even if we weren't, you are still talking about a small portion of the athletic department budget. We're talking about executive level managers here. If Pernetti couldn't put together a rationale for his wanting to fire Rice and come up with the contract buyout, and if Hermann couldn't come up with a rationale for her wanting to fire Flood and come up with the contract buyout, then they have no business being in executive level management positions.
disagree..yes there is always money..but RU has always been cheap and doesnt allow the $$$ to be spent until AFTER the fact and everything blows up in their face. We have seen this time and time again through history about doing things on the cheap only to cost us later. I am all for blaming Pernetti for alot of things but he definitely was hamstrung but above...as was Julie and she had the added problem of TP people not wanted to give money and putting certain demands on Flood's removal. Do you really think Julie could go to Barchi and say we need to fire a coach that took us to the Pinstripe Bowl...he couldnt be bothered with that and told her raise the money yourself..and yes she failed with that. Tim was under the direction that he couldnt fire Fred Hill, he wanted to believe me and he did and still cost RU $1 million
Don't think level 2 infractions rate a show cause.His coaching might rate a take pause before hiring [roll]
I agree generally, but I think we all know how RU works with this stuff. Flood was not the first coach to have severe off the field issues to seemingly skate until things leaked.
In the case of Pernetti we know he did not insist Barchi watch the video when he first got it- there I agree, he has huge blame. If Hermann knew about Flood and had evidence she is is just as guilty. But I'm not sure it was established that she knew in December 14, and also, we do know that donors were imposing conditions.
Given Barchi is here to stay we may never know what the Barchi-Hermann conversations reached but I would really like to know because had we fired Flood then this program might be in a decent shape.
Maybe, but he is specifically named. Given his record on the field, how desperate would any school have to be to hire him?
Of course Julie was told to come up with the money. She has a $70 million budget. She should be able to find $1 million, or make a stronger case as to why the money should come from somewhere else. Likewise with Pernetti firing Fred Hill without creating the bogus baseball game scandal. The money was there, but giving Hill his full buyout probably meant Pernetti wouldn't qualify for his bonus (the same reason he didn't spend the money to fire Rice).
Gregory was suspended twice at NU for failed tests. The part about not testing him any more has never really been clarified one way or another but stuff like that was one reason Pelini was fired. Note that Pelini's team had 7 players suspended last weekend for failed test. I believe that when an FCS team is in the playoffs the NCAA randomly tests them teams. I'm sure Bo hadn't tested one(Leroy Alexander)of the players who was suspended because he had been suspended for an entire season for failed tests at NU, then kicked off the team for failed tests. He miraculously surfaced at Youngstown St. Hmmmmm:flushed:
