Special BOG meeting called for Friday

[cRURah]

Well, I guess 2 things.

I stopped short of saying I disagreed with that part of what CRuRah said. My issue was that he was putting additional speculative stuff on top of what we know about what happened. He was assuming Flood asked if the player could do "extra credit work." That infers that the coach was seeking special treatment for the athlete. Nowhere has that been supported. Based on what was reported, Flood only asked if the student could do "anything to improve his grade". That could simply be the same as asking if the grade was final, or if there was regularly prescribed coursework that could still be submitted. cRuRah also inferred the coach knew the grade was an F. Although it has since been divulged that the grade was an F, it hasn't been reported that Flood knew that (and if it was an F, and Barnwell needed a B to stay eligible, one has to wonder what Flood was trying to accomplish). I realize all of this is giving Flood a wide benefit of the doubt, but considering how he has conducted himself as our coach, hasn't he earned that from the fans? My underlying point is that I don't understand why fans and supporters seem to be the first to infer negatives that have not been reported anywhere based on pure speculation. Then we wonder why the nj.com shitheads do the same. Flood is no Bobby Petrino (who many of the agenda Flood haters wanted to see hired here) --
he has never shown any proclivity to want to skirt the rules. So why believe the worst of the man?

I did not contend he didn't screw up. I thought about it, but I stopped short of saying that. In reality, we don't even know at this point that he did screw up. There is an exception in the policy if the contact is not "initiated by the coach." We have not seen any evidence as to who initiated the contact. That said, based on the investigation, I think we must assume at this point that Flood initiated the contact, and did "screw up" and violate the policy. That said, based on his initial reaction that this was commonplace, I am wondering if this is a policy that was ever followed at RU, or if this was just something the faculty decided to start enforcing at this juncture for political reasons. I find it more than a little coincidental that Flood says this type of conduct was commonplace, and the fact that the part-time lecturers/faculty union have ongoing contract negotiations that have extended past a June deadline and decide to make an issue on the eve of the college football season.

You are indeed giving coach a very wide berth. I maintain my opinion that he should have known better. I truly hope the findings are minimal and his contact with an instructor regarding a student's grade was a one time occurrence. If the investigation reports more serious findings that would be another black eye for the university I love.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

You are indeed giving coach a very wide berth. I maintain my opinion that he should have known better. I truly hope the findings are minimal and his contact with an instructor regarding a student's grade was a one time occurrence. If the investigation reports more serious findings that would be another black eye for the university I love.

On that, we most certainly agree.

 

[coldsprings]

Honest question, because it is exactly what I am arguing in this thread. Why does it "seem" that way to you?

You are right, I'm just speculating based on 40 years in academia. I doubt if a full-blown weeks long investigation would go on for merely inquiring before grades were submitted. Inquiring after grades were submitted brings things to another level. At most universities grade changes, after grades are submitted, are only permitted for calculation errors by the instructor or because an incomplete grade was given. Such rules are to maintain academic integrity.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

You are right, I'm just speculating based on 40 years in academia. I doubt if a full-blown weeks long investigation would go on for merely inquiring before grades were submitted. Inquiring after grades were submitted brings things to another level. At most universities grade changes, after grades are submitted, are only permitted for calculation errors by the instructor or because an incomplete grade was given. Such rules are to maintain academic integrity.

In your opinion, would Flood know that the grades were in? That seems to be a key issue here. Because if the grades were final, and Flood knows the implication of that, then by asking, he is really asking "is there anything we can work out here." On the other hand, if Flood would not know the grades were submitted, or would not know what that means as far as additional work, the whole thing could be very innocent.

For me, this whole thing really stinks to high heck. I don't see why the professor wouldn't just respond with "No, the grade is final." It is plain as day, to me at least, that given the timing either the professor or the union had an agenda to make trouble.

 

[coldsprings]

In your opinion, would Flood know that the grades were in? That seems to be a key issue here. Because if the grades were final, and Flood knows the implication of that, then by asking, he is really asking "is there anything we can work out here." On the other hand, if Flood would not know the grades were submitted, or would not know what that means as far as additional work, the whole thing could be very innocent.

For me, this whole thing really stinks to high heck. I don't see why the professor wouldn't just respond with "No, the grade is final." It is plain as day, to me at least, that given the timing either the professor or the union had an agenda to make trouble.

I agree with your analysis. Since an apparently serious investigation was launched, my guess is that Flood knew that the final grade was in.

And yes, you are correct, most professors, in that case, would have simply told Flood the grade is final and perhaps reminded him why rules about grade changes exist. Some professors are prickly and Flood may have run into one. I say may because it could be that the professor mentioned the incident to someone else who outed Flood or the academic coordinator outed Flood.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

A poster on another forum indicates that this "emergency" BOG meeting was scheduled to address something other than Flood and the FB program: the crime problem on and around the NB campus.

 

[Abro1975]

Hermann will be announcing Flood's 3 year extension at 2/million /year immediately following the BOG meeting, w Greg Brown in attendance .

 

[Knight_Light]

You are right, I'm just speculating based on 40 years in academia. I doubt if a full-blown weeks long investigation would go on for merely inquiring before grades were submitted. Inquiring after grades were submitted brings things to another level. At most universities grade changes, after grades are submitted, are only permitted for calculation errors by the instructor or because an incomplete grade was given. Such rules are to maintain academic integrity.

Stated before that the investigation is most likely taking longer since Flood seems to have used his non-RU official email account for this communication and now RU, who doesn't/wouldn't have access to Flood's personal non-RU email account, has to do the searching on the other end with potential hundreds of other profs/instructors that have had Flood's RU Football players in to see if they received similar communications from non-RU email accounts from Flood.

If Flood used his official RU email for this and possibly other communications, RU could have been done with their search/investigation in maybe a day or 2.