The second investigation. Is anyone else bracing themselves?

[SkilletHead2]

Are there really people out there who think the University would convene an investigation with the sole purpose of being able to fire Flood for cause in order to save money? To make something up out of whole cloth?

If so, I've got two words for you: Tom Brady. You don't think lawyers are available to Flood? Good heavens. For every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction.

There is an investigation going on because there were allegations that the University thought ought to be investigated. Full stop. I have no idea or inside info about any of this, but I do know how universities run. Maybe nothing comes of the investigation; maybe something does. But the investigation's cost will probably net out close to the buyout, and it brings more bad press to the uni because it exists. The junior league Machiavelli's need some Prozac.

And btw, I knew what was happening on the meeting and the grade before it all came out, so somebody was leaking.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Relax guys most of what I said was tongue-in-cheek. It's just funny that it may just all "fall out" this way, IMHO, that's all. That being said it could play out very nicely, for all parties not named "Flood," as such.

 

[northeastNebraska]

When is the investigation supposed to be wrapped up?

 

[ClassOf02]

When is the investigation supposed to be wrapped up?

Hell of a question. If I were a betting man, I'd say mid-late afternoon the Friday after Thanksgiving.

 

[Scarlet Craig]

I know it may prove useful in the event it allows us to fire Flood for cause, but is anyone else worried it might bring along another round of reputational damage? Call me paranoid (or just a beaten down Rutgers fan, same thing), but I'm sort of expecting something pretty bad.

My first question, what reputation?

 

[ruman]

Only concerned if they don't fire him

 

[ruman]

Actually, I think Flood will be back next year..... The investigation will uncover nothing.

No investigation was needed to find that he's a horrendous coach

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Hell of a question. If I were a betting man, I'd say mid-late afternoon the Friday after Thanksgiving.

Monday after...sssshhhh

And when Fludd is terminated, does he get to keep his University e-mail address for 30 days?

 

[Scarlet16E]

It would not surprise me if the investigation comes up with no new news. It provides Barchi something to wave to the press to show that there are no lurking issues that have not already been dealt with.

I expect Flood to be fired as well, but simply based on performance.

 

[ClassOf02]

Monday after...sssshhhh

And when Fludd is terminated, does he get to keep his University e-mail address for 30 days?

Does it matter? We all know he prefers gmail.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Expect bad news. There would have been no investigation unless there was a lot of smoke. It will bring some bad news to RU but much more to KF

Then Kyle is really clueless, because he walks around saying he doesn't think he's coaching for his job, and he has the backing of all in charge. He must be delusional.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Then Kyle is really clueless, because he walks around saying he doesn't think he's coaching for his job, and he has the backing of all in charge. He must be delusional.

Gotta defend the guy here, yikes: what else would you expect him to say and/or how else would you expect him to act? I think the majority of us would do the same (almost) until the bitter end.

 

[rucoe89]

What are they waiting for? The next century? Thinking that they're timing the release for right after the Maryland game to put the finishing touch on this season

Oh I gots this! Its easy! $$$$ + $$$$$

Once that is addressed the dominoes fall. If not addressed, well then, warm up those keyboards cap locks to type those symbols above the numbers on the keyboard.

 

[RUsilencer]

What will come out will be TOXIC. However it wont be really anything you haven't already heard or read before. Just a lot more of it.

Let's just say that Barchi and Flood wont be on each others Christmas card list soon. Right now the University is preparing its damage control which will include a bus for Flood to be thrown under.

 

[NotInRHouse]

If there is so much toxic stuff out there, they should have fired him in SEPTEMBER.

Can RU once, for the love of god, fire a coach RIGHT WHEN YOU DETERMINE HE BROKE THE RULES not after a white shoe firm has to spend thousands to tell you throwing basketballs at heads and getting professors to change grades is bad?

That, or just fire a coach for sucking? This is now the third clown in a major sport that should have been canned but we need to wait for a scandal to break.

Thank god for Schiano and CViv really whatever their faults at least they gave some stability because lord knows who we would have hired and fired in the dumbest way possible in all those years..

 

[RUsilencer]

If there is so much toxic stuff out there, they should have fired him in SEPTEMBER.

Can RU once, for the love of god, fire a coach RIGHT WHEN YOU DETERMINE HE BROKE THE RULES not after a white shoe firm has to spend thousands to tell you throwing basketballs at heads and getting professors to change grades is bad?

That, or just fire a coach for sucking? This is now the third clown in a major sport that should have been canned but we need to wait for a scandal to break.

Thank god for Schiano and CViv really whatever their faults at least they gave some stability because lord knows who we would have hired and fired in the dumbest way possible in all those years..

Barchi wanted him fired in September. Supposedly Floods attorney threatened him with a multi million dollar defamation lawsuit. Barchi blinked. However he didn't close his eyes completely and ordered the investigation specifically into football. Barchi knew he would find what he needed for cause and to prevent a suit. He will execute on it by Dec 1.

 

[bori_blanco]

Curious, if fired what are we looking at ($$) as far as his buyout-staff's?

How much are we looking at to bring in a new coach & staff?

Who's picking up the tab?

Some have estimated the cost @ between 8-10 million to make this all happen, who's the lucky Donor cutting the check?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

If there is so much toxic stuff out there, they should have fired him in SEPTEMBER.

.

Maybe because the university didn't exactly know about the rest of it, or the facts, and wanted to be 100% sure of things, hence the "investigation" to find out? Kinda makes sense to me.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

And in spite of it all some of us continue to attend on Saturdays..:confused:

 

[NotInRHouse]

Silencer and Nuts

I get that but there is where RU's counsel should have stepped in and said we have enough. Would have loved to been in the room when Flood threatened to sue for defamation over a report full of his emails...the first rule of good lawyering is don't blink....

 

[ho26rus]

Question jnvestigate him or investigate whether the Rutgers drug policy was adhered to.
I say Rutgers because the NCAA has no drug policy other than peds/ steroids
They only insist you have one and enforce what you write.
Flood cannot unilaterally be guilty as all failed drug tests go both to him and the AD. If its a problem they would both be complicit

Then investigating Terrys claims of failed tests. All that is indicated is that for the first two failed tests you would have had to sit one game for each, and something more for the third. So inasmuch as he would never see the field, thus not in violation, and their is no NCAA provision what exactly does anyone expect to find

It was due three weeks ago . If there was a problem it would have found its way thru the Rutgers-Politi pipeline by now

 

[ho26rus]

Question jnvestigate him or investigate whether the Rutgers drug policy was adhered to.
I say Rutgers because the NCAA has no drug policy other than peds/ steroids
They only insist you have one and enforce what you write.
Flood cannot unilaterally be guilty as all failed drug tests go both to him and the AD. If its a problem they would both be complicit

Then investigating Terrys claims of failed tests. All that is indicated is that for the first two failed tests you would have had to sit one game for each, and something more for the third. So inasmuch as he would never see the field, thus not in violation, and their is no NCAA provision what exactly does anyone expect to find

It was due three weeks ago . If there was a problem it would have found its way thru the Rutgers-Politi pipeline by now

 

[RUsilencer]

Question jnvestigate him or investigate whether the Rutgers drug policy was adhered to.
I say Rutgers because the NCAA has no drug policy other than peds/ steroids
They only insist you have one and enforce what you write.
Flood cannot unilaterally be guilty as all failed drug tests go both to him and the AD. If its a problem they would both be complicit

Then investigating Terrys claims of failed tests. All that is indicated is that for the first two failed tests you would have had to sit one game for each, and something more for the third. So inasmuch as he would never see the field, thus not in violation, and their is no NCAA provision what exactly does anyone expect to find

It was due three weeks ago . If there was a problem it would have found its way thru the Rutgers-Politi pipeline by now

You think RU doesnt get to sanitize the report before it goes public?

 

[Trekology]

Can RU once, for the love of god, fire a coach RIGHT WHEN YOU DETERMINE HE BROKE THE RULES not after a white shoe firm has to spend thousands to tell you throwing basketballs at heads and getting professors to change grades is bad?

The report in September noted that Rutgers couldn't prove that Flood was informed of school's policy for coaches contacting instructors. Basically, he was able to play the "Aw shucks, I didn't know that was wrong" card. This seems to fit in with what RUsilencer said.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Silencer and Nuts

I get that but there is where RU's counsel should have stepped in and said we have enough. Would have loved to been in the room when Flood threatened to sue for defamation over a report full of his emails...the first rule of good lawyering is don't blink....

...and i get that, I do.

 

[e5fdny]

And in spite of it all some of us continue to attend on Saturdays..:confused:

And will continue to do so.

I was there for the way before, the during and hopefully a long time after. Like a lot of us.

 

[SanFranRutgers]

The report in September noted that Rutgers couldn't prove that Flood was informed of school's policy for coaches contacting instructors. Basically, he was able to play the "Aw shucks, I didn't know that was wrong" card. This seems to fit in with what RUsilencer said.

Doesn't matter. Contract states he will not dishonor the university, is required to abide by and adhere to all university codes of conduct, etc. Ignorance of those codes isn't a defense in a termination dispute.

 

[KingHigh]

RU should announce that it is banning itself from a bowl this year as punishment. Be like the big boys.

 

[krup]

Monday after...sssshhhh

And when Fludd is terminated, does he get to keep his University e-mail address for 30 days?

I would say Class of 02 is right. Politicians must have good data on when news gets the least exposure and late Friday afternoon is when they leak anything embarrassing.
Whether its new bad news or just to avoid the rehash of the email story, announce Flood's dismissal on the afternoon of Black Friday and the story is gone before most people even notice it.

 

[WhiteBus]

Curious, if fired what are we looking at ($$) as far as his buyout-staff's?

How much are we looking at to bring in a new coach & staff?

Who's picking up the tab?

Some have estimated the cost @ between 8-10 million to make this all happen, who's the lucky Donor cutting the check?

I don't think anyone but KF has a guaranteed contract. Most assistants are on one year contracts so when the head coach is let go there is no buyout for the staff. And KF buyout is already covered by Towers. So changing up for Rutgers isn't that expensive.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Doesn't matter. Contract states he will not dishonor the university, is required to abide by and adhere to all university codes of conduct, etc. Ignorance of those codes isn't a defense in a termination dispute.

yes, the old adage of "ignorance is no excuse" may be true & enter in
but - It is not quite so cut & dried - & there are many other aspects that may complicate / take precedence this situation -

(1.) - in the RU Human Resource Employee policies & procedures there may be specific procedures regarding employee training (and you have to follow your own rules) & and there may be statements regarding the degree to which an untrained employee can be punished for a first or second time code of conduct violation ...there may be also be specific guideline regarding an employee who has not yet completed training - This may all be dumb bureaucratic / personnel policy gobbledygook - but if it is the policy - that is what has to be followed.

(2.) - to take further punitive action, Rutgers probably needs to have uncovered something that was truly not really already knowable back in September (not just more details) - genuinely new transgressions - and truly egregious, or placed a player or players in harm's way, or was out right criminal.
If it is just significantly more detail and / or simply more consideration of the specific factors for which Flood was suspended for 3 games.... it will be next to impossible for RU to go back & take another bite of the pie - sure, it can be attempted, but it is a very weak case - - and in the end, Flood will get most of his settlement.

The time to have acted swiftly & decisively was back in September - when it the whole stupid 'meeting in a remote location, selecting nondescript attire specifically to avoid being identified, and overtly seeking to communicate with the instructor with out being detected' was first addressed - that was a willful and premeditated violation of ethics - and even if Flood had not been trained on the minutia of the policies in this area - he clearly understood the essence and the intent. That would have been the point to have cut the cord.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

I don't think anyone but KF has a guaranteed contract. Most assistants are on one year contracts so when the head coach is let go there is no buyout for the staff. And KF buyout is already covered by Towers. So changing up for Rutgers isn't that expensive.

I seem to recall that, at some point there were assistants who had 24 month contracts - but am not sure where to look that up - and even if they did, I would not know where there are now in their contract. Think this was a topic of discussion about 2 years ago when it was thought that a big change might happen and cost of buy-outs was being considered. Do recall that it was said that the RU obligation to the assistants ends when they find a new job - so the exposure is somewhat self-limiting.

 

[mdh2003]

Gotta defend the guy here...

Floodie

 

[Knight Shift]

If they find a lack of oversight by the AD on drug testing or other compliance issues, will Rutgers drop the hammer on the AD or someone else in the department? Past history says yes. Look at what happened to Pernetti and Mulcahy.

 

[rutgersguy1]

I seem to recall that, at some point there were assistants who had 24 month contracts - but am not sure where to look that up - and even if they did, I would not know where there are now in their contract. Think this was a topic of discussion about 2 years ago when it was thought that a big change might happen and cost of buy-outs was being considered. Do recall that it was said that the RU obligation to the assistants ends when they find a new job - so the exposure is somewhat self-limiting.

I think old convention was that assistants usually operated on 1 year contracts but I think that's started to change a bit the last handful of years and you do see more 2 year contracts. I can't tell you where we are on that. I do think though that if these guys land other jobs, which you think most will because they want to continue their careers, that RU would be only responsible for the difference in pay.

 

[PaKnight]

I think old convention was that assistants usually operated on 1 year contracts but I think that's started to change a bit the last handful of years and you do see more 2 year contracts. I can't tell you where we are on that. I do think though that if these guys land other jobs, which you think most will because they want to continue their careers, that RU would be only responsible for the difference in pay.

I think McDaniels got a two year deal. I would guess the total would be in the neighborhood of $1M, maybe a little more.

 

[JMORC2003]

Wow, this is getting good. Between this thread and the Leaks thread, I can't wait to see how it all unfolds. I'm not privy to very much of the inside scoop, but if what you guys are teasing is true (looking at you Nuts and Silencer), we're in for a very interesting off season.

 

[RUskoolie]

I don't ever want to here anyone ever say again that our coach is a good guy if the stuff in this report actually comes out. 11 years of work by Greg flushed down the toilet in 3.5 by this guy.

 

[bori_blanco]

I don't think anyone but KF has a guaranteed contract. Most assistants are on one year contracts so when the head coach is let go there is no buyout for the staff. And KF buyout is already covered by Towers. So changing up for Rutgers isn't that expensive.

There are 2 year contracts for several coaches..

 

[ScarletNut]

Firing the AD also would be bad news for the football program. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that she has a short list of candidates, vetted and ready to offer as soon as KF is let go. Without an AD, what reasonable coach would come and who is qualified enough to hire a capable HC? I don't believe anyone on the BOG or Barchi is knowledgeable enough to do that job. Our recruits would decommit, no P5 quality recruits would come and our program would truly be set back for years. For our sake and sanity, let's hope JH isn't thrown out with KF.