There’s NO reason why we can’t win a National Championship One Day

[jsol_05]

Of course you count a man's total body of work at an institution. This is not the early 2000's, there is no such thing as a 4 or 5 year rebuilding program in the age of the transfer portal. A competent coach can literally rebuild his roster in a year. Players are freer to move from program to program in FBS football than any pro league. Excuses, excuses, that is the mantra for the Schiano supporters, never short of another excuse.

Man you took the words out of my mouth, you are who your record say you are. In this day and age you can flip a roster in 60 days it you can sell your idea to recruits ( Nebraska and Colorado). Both with recently hired coaches and their recruiting rankings are in the 20s, we are in the 50s. The fact that we haven’t been able to bring in a competent portal QB scares me. In 2023 if we don’t get it done it won’t be the OC fault it won’t be the DC fault. It will be the fault of the person where the buck stops. That is the way it should be. Credit when we win and the blame when when and if we lose. No excuses, either it is getting done or it isn’t getting done

 

[rutgersal]

We have had the same opportunity for over 40 years. Do we have the $$$ to compete, do we have the coaching to compete, do we have the recruiting to compete, those things need to be figured out b4 we can compete with the big boys

No we haven’t had the same opportunity over the last forty years.

- we haven’t had an OL Coach like Flats

- we haven’t had an OC who has had successful Big Ten Offenses
- were getting $70M next year from the Big Ten. Of course we’ll have the $$$ to compete

- we haven’t had a state of the art football facility on the drawing board previously. I expect a shovel in the ground by 2025 max.

- what you and others need to understand is that we’re in midst of building the program so that we can be a big boy some time soon. It’s not going to happen overnight, but it is going to happen. Right now, we’re working to bolster frontline talent and build quality depth.

 

[RUforlife]

No we haven’t had the same opportunity over the last forty years.

- we haven’t had an OL Coach like Flats

- we haven’t had an OC who has had successful Big Ten Offenses
- were getting $70M next year from the Big Ten. Of course we’ll have the $$$ to compete

- we haven’t had a state of the art football facility on the drawing board previously. I expect a shovel in the ground by 2025 max.

- what you and others need to understand is that we’re in midst of building the program so that we can be a big boy some time soon. It’s not going to happen overnight, but it is going to happen. Right now, we’re working to bolster frontline talent and build quality depth.

The recruiting has regressed since the departure of Fran Brown and that is an undisputable fact. Schiano has not proven that he is able to use the transfer portal to improve the roster, the failure to bring in a seasoned QB to compete for the starting job in 2023 is simply unforgivable. This Schiano love is so emotional and irrational that facts are simply ignored.

 

[mdk01]

The recruiting has regressed since the departure of Fran Brown and that is an undisputable fact. Schiano has not proven that he is able to use the transfer portal to improve the roster, the failure to bring in a seasoned QB to compete for the starting job in 2023 is simply unforgivable. This Schiano love is so emotional and irrational that facts are simply ignored.

So is the Schiano hate.

 

[rutgersal]

The recruiting has regressed since the departure of Fran Brown and that is an undisputable fact. Schiano has not proven that he is able to use the transfer portal to improve the roster, the failure to bring in a seasoned QB to compete for the starting job in 2023 is simply unforgivable. This Schiano love is so emotional and irrational that facts are simply ignored.

2023 and 2024 are going to be BS. I’m going to tell you that right now. 2025 is where the rubber meets the road. Doesn’t make sense to bring in a portal qb to have short term impact. We’re doing things for the long haul.

Since you don’t have premium you don’t have information regarding current positive recruiting developments. We are going to see a healthy uptick this year. QB Surace is just the start.

 

[RUforlife]

So is the Schiano hate.

Nobody hates Schiano, we just want to win, and some of us have doubts based on his record whether he is the one to deliver us a winning program. The problem the highly emotional Schiano lovers have is that they can't escape his past record all they can do is make wild and unfounded predictions of success into the future.

 

[LotusAggressor]

Pachecos accelerated development was due to the culture that Schiano established for the football program, which allowed him to hit the ground running, and make a significant impact towards his teams Super Bowl victory. The only reason his stats weren’t better is because the line stunk. Including playoff games, Pacheco had over 1K yards rushing, in his first NFL year, an outstanding result.

Schiano found and invited Burton to walk on, so he gets full credit. Burton redshirted in 2010 and played his first year in 2011, where he contributed towards a pinstripe bowl victory.

Overall, Schiano has found and develop a number of kids who ultimately became significant NFL Contributors. Most people who post here, know who they are.

Pacheco's development accelerated in KC. And none of this miraculous development as an outgrowth of the "superior" RU culture occurred on the OL or at QB, which is why Pacheco was never this player at RU. Watching KC's offense makes me wonder if RU's coaches and KC's coaches are in the same profession, or are even coaching the same sport.

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Would not count Tampa Bay against him. Bucs were a dumpster fire from 2008 through 2018, not making the playoffs. Lovie was worse than Greg.

Greg signed a 5 year contract with Tampa Bay but was released after just 2 years.
Besides his record the other reasons cited that Greg loses Tampa Bay Bucs with an autocratic style (fair or not).

Tampa Bay may have been bad but your W-L are part of your resume.

Again I think Greg will be a good coach for Rutgers (college) but a NC is pushing the limits.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[RUbacker]

No Pacheo got himself to the league. People were killing him his last yr here.

No. Schiano in his first year back said Pacheco was going to the league . We had some on here saying he would never get drafted let alone get a camp invite . He played on a bad team with very poor OL but those for an eye for talent knew he was talented. And yes Schiano was his coach .

 

[SHUSource]

Message Board Geniuses, here we come again

You nailed it.

 

[PSU_Nut]

I would argue that the current coach is the only coach who can bring a National Championship to Rutgers, because he’s recruited the caliber of player needed at the University of Miami and Ohio State, and Rutgers, though not in significant quantity at Rutgers. If Rutgers fans wanted a National Championship we’d have a National Championship because enough fans would be inspired to donate to make it happen. That and the Fieldhouse are the missing pieces of our National Championship Dream.

If he has all these skills and recruiting prowess how come in 14 years as a head coach he doesn't even have a single conference championship or even a major bowl win? What makes you so sure that despite being a sub .500 in 14 years as a head coach he is the only guy that could possibly win a national championship at Rutgers? There are 100s of coaches that have worked on championship programs it not some special super secret ability. How did working for Ohio State help Ash?

 

[LETSGORU91]

Pacheco played great, but his accelerated development is Greg’s credit? Definitely had nothing to do with having Mahomes forcing defenses to play more coverage/blitzes rather than run D. Nothing to do with Andy Reid as a master schemer who has developed the reputation as one of the most creative and effective offensive minds in nfl history, NOPE! all Greg… was Gus Edwards success in the NfL the result of Kyle Flood under that logic?

Clyde Edwards Helaire, a heralded, first round, back certainly flourished under Reid's master system and under Mahomes' shadow the past few years, right? Oh wait a second.

 

[yessir321]

Clyde Edwards Helaire, a heralded, first round, back certainly flourished under Reid's master system and under Mahomes' shadow the past few years, right? Oh wait a second.

He’s been a monster when healthy yes! If you actually paid attention you might realize he’s been hurt the last 1 and a half seasons. Take a look at what CEH did his rookie year and midway through year 2😉 Rookie year the dude had 1100 yards of offense in 13 games!

 

[LETSGORU91]

It IS possible in football once we build the new football operations center. There will be no reason for kids to go anywhere else.

Wait, we are getting a new football operations center? That's awesome! What the hell is it?

If he has all these skills and recruiting prowess how come in 14 years as a head coach he doesn't even have a single conference championship or even a major bowl win? What makes you so sure that despite being a sub .500 in 14 years as a head coach he is the only guy that could possibly win a national championship at Rutgers? There are 100s of coaches that have worked on championship programs it not some special super secret ability. How did working for Ohio State help Ash?

Quite simply, gameday coaching. Skills and recruiting are one thing. Executing X's and O's is another. And btw, its kind of annoying when people rest their laurels on the "sub-.500 overall record". Schiano inherited two atrocities of a team. First four years, the team was 12-34. Next seven years was 56-34. That's not too shabby, but people hate to break those years up a little to see what he accomplished the first go round. The dude deserves credit for what he has done.

 

[LETSGORU91]

He’s been a monster when healthy yes! If you actually paid attention you might realize he’s been hurt the last 1 and a half seasons. Take a look at what CEH did his rookie year and midway through year 2😉

I did pay some attention. I knew he has been injured, but for some reason thought he didn't do as well in his rookie year than he actually did. My bad.

 

[mdk01]

If he has all these skills and recruiting prowess how come in 14 years as a head coach he doesn't even have a single conference championship or even a major bowl win? What makes you so sure that despite being a sub .500 in 14 years as a head coach he is the only guy that could possibly win a national championship at Rutgers? There are 100s of coaches that have worked on championship programs it not some special super secret ability. How did working for Ohio State help Ash?

14 years, but not 14 consecutive years. Oops. And twice he inherited basket cases. First time was a team that would have been middle of the pack in the Ivy League. Nobody turns that around in a year. But by 2006 they made a mid-level bowl and he won a number of Coach of the Year awards. So in 2020 he walks in and inherits another basket case. Even with the transfer portal you don't turn that around in a year unless you get massive bucks and a fawning press like Sanders is getting at Colorado. There have been many adjectives used to describe the Star Ledger coverage of Rutgers, but "fawning" has never been one of them.

And up 'till now, NOBODY could win a national championship at Rutgers. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

 

[MGSA99]

Before we can win a Natty, how about a team from a northern state win a natty first? Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. For the past 20 years, the national champion has come from one of these states.

College football is no longer a national sport, it is a regional one, like NASCAR.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Quite simply, gameday coaching. Skills and recruiting are one thing. Executing X's and O's is another. And btw, its kind of annoying when people rest their laurels on the "sub-.500 overall record". Schiano inherited two atrocities of a team. First four years, the team was 12-34. Next seven years was 56-34. That's not too shabby, but people hate to break those years up a little to see what he accomplished the first go round. The dude deserves credit for what he has done.

You can say that but that record also coincides with the collapse of the Big East. You can also counter with the last two years he was 13-12. Those final two years the Big East was god awful. In 2010 Rutgers didn't play a single ranked opponents. In 2011 they only played #25 UC and #17 WVU once again another easy schedule. The Big East and schedules were so easy that even Flood could win 9 games.

 

[PSU_Nut]

14 years, but not 14 consecutive years. Oops. And twice he inherited basket cases. First time was a team that would have been middle of the pack in the Ivy League. Nobody turns that around in a year. But by 2006 they made a mid-level bowl and he won a number of Coach of the Year awards. So in 2020 he walks in and inherits another basket case. Even with the transfer portal you don't turn that around in a year unless you get massive bucks and a fawning press like Sanders is getting at Colorado. There have been many adjectives used to describe the Star Ledger coverage of Rutgers, but "fawning" has never been one of them.

And up 'till now, NOBODY could win a national championship at Rutgers. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

and what did he do after that 2006 season? He was pretty darn mediocre playing in a conference that fell apart. He was 38-26 in the next 5 years. That an average record of 8-5 playing a very weak schedule in a conference that was hanging on by a string that was much closer to being a G5 conference then a P5 conference. No one is saying he didn't turn around the program. He did a great job at that but he was never able to even put together another top 25 team after that magical season. Yet people are claiming he can win a national championship program when he couldn't even build a top 25 team.

 

[MADHAT1]

Now Wisconsin has the great coaching Cincinnati had. Making matters worse, Nebraska finally has great coaching again. Makes the road to winning the B1G a lot tougher, especially when our coaching pales in comparison. Not a knock on our coaching, but Fickel as and Rhule are on another level.

I think Greg can put the program on the road to being close to a playoff team, but once he gets there will not move the dial higher .
RU will need to invest in the best like Nebraska and Wisconsin are doing.
I feel right now Rutgers needs someone to make trhe program respectable again and Schiano is the type that can do that.
But have my doubts if he's the type that can make his program constant playoff material.
Also have my doubts if Rutgers would be willing to pay the type of salary to bring in a Rhule/Fickell type that is considered top of the line when HC's are discussed.
Or even pay top dollar to bring in an assistant that is considered capable of making a good program great, outbidding other programs for his services and putting up the funds to get him the best help.

Rutgers is paying Schiano big bucks, but in the HC profession, not big enough to interest the best.

 

[Zak57]

Before we can win a Natty, how about a team from a northern state win a natty first? Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. For the past 20 years, the national champion has come from one of these states.

College football is no longer a national sport, it is a regional one, like NASCAR.

Urban won one at OSU.

 

[jsol_05]

No we haven’t had the same opportunity over the last forty years.

- we haven’t had an OL Coach like Flats

- we haven’t had an OC who has had successful Big Ten Offenses
- were getting $70M next year from the Big Ten. Of course we’ll have the $$$ to compete

- we haven’t had a state of the art football facility on the drawing board previously. I expect a shovel in the ground by 2025 max.

- what you and others need to understand is that we’re in midst of building the program so that we can be a big boy some time soon. It’s not going to happen overnight, but it is going to happen. Right now, we’re working to bolster frontline talent and build quality depth.

No we haven’t had the same opportunity over the last forty years.

- we haven’t had an OL Coach like Flats

- we haven’t had an OC who has had successful Big Ten Offenses
- were getting $70M next year from the Big Ten. Of course we’ll have the $$$ to compete

- we haven’t had a state of the art football facility on the drawing board previously. I expect a shovel in the ground by 2025 max.

- what you and others need to understand is that we’re in midst of building the program so that we can be a big boy some time soon. It’s not going to happen overnight, but it is going to happen. Right now, we’re working to bolster frontline talent and build quality depth.

I have heard the same thing for the last 40 years, some time soon.

No. Schiano in his first year back said Pacheco was going to the league . We had some on here saying he would never get drafted let alone get a camp invite . He played on a bad team with very poor OL but those for an eye for talent knew he was talented. And yes Schiano was his coach .

Gs didn’t recruit him and he didn’t even have is beat collegiate season under GS Pacheo wa going to the league even if GS was his coach.

 

[jsol_05]

If he has all these skills and recruiting prowess how come in 14 years as a head coach he doesn't even have a single conference championship or even a major bowl win? What makes you so sure that despite being a sub .500 in 14 years as a head coach he is the only guy that could possibly win a national championship at Rutgers? There are 100s of coaches that have worked on championship programs it not some special super secret ability. How did working for Ohio State help Ash?

Man let’s be real if he was held in such high regard, he wouldn’t had to come back here and that is just the truth. No other program would give him and opportunity and no other program will allow him to string together 2 or 3 losing season and still have a job

 

[yessir321]

If he has all these skills and recruiting prowess how come in 14 years as a head coach he doesn't even have a single conference championship or even a major bowl win? What makes you so sure that despite being a sub .500 in 14 years as a head coach he is the only guy that could possibly win a national championship at Rutgers? There are 100s of coaches that have worked on championship programs it not some special super secret ability. How did working for Ohio State help Ash?

bro, you understand you're trying to be rational with RutgersAl right?

 

[rutgersal]

I have heard the same thing for the last 40 years, some time soon.

Gs didn’t recruit him and he didn’t even have is beat collegiate season under GS Pacheo wa going to the league even if GS was his coach.

For next season , we’ll be $70M richer. When have we ever been able to say that in the last 40 years? That is why we’ll be able to compete with anyone.

 

[yessir321]

Before we can win a Natty, how about a team from a northern state win a natty first? Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. For the past 20 years, the national champion has come from one of these states.

College football is no longer a national sport, it is a regional one, like NASCAR.

Ohio state says hello

 

[rutgersal]

and what did he do after that 2006 season? He was pretty darn mediocre playing in a conference that fell apart. He was 38-26 in the next 5 years. That an average record of 8-5 playing a very weak schedule in a conference that was hanging on by a string that was much closer to being a G5 conference then a P5 conference. No one is saying he didn't turn around the program. He did a great job at that but he was never able to even put together another top 25 team after that magical season. Yet people are claiming he can win a national championship program when he couldn't even build a top 25 team.

We were ranked #12 in 2006. That us certainly top 25.

 

[yessir321]

Urban won one at OSU.

As did tressel

 

[yessir321]

We were ranked #12 in 2006. That us certainly top 25.

And 17 years later it’s still your justification for ‘extending greg’.

Al, I genuinely hope one day you meet a special someone who you can love and loves you back the way you love Greg Schiano. No doubt you two would grow old together!

 

[PSU_Nut]

We were ranked #12 in 2006. That us certainly top 25.

I said after that one season referring to 2006. You know the outlier season followed by 4 years of mediocracy in a cupcake league. How many season outside of 2006 did Schaino put together a top 25 season?

 

[rutgersal]

I said after that one season referring to 2006. You know the outlier season followed by 4 years of mediocracy in a cupcake league. How many season outside of 2006 did Schaino put together a top 25 season?

Had Schiano remained, we probably would have put together another outlier season in 2012., which is the year we won a share of a Big East Championship. But he bolted for Tampa Bay.

 

[Zak57]

As did tressel

Well he qualified it within last 20 years. Tressel was just outside that.

 

[yessir321]

Well he qualified it within last 20 years. Tressel was just outside that.

Was the game in 02 or was it the 02 season? Either way they won another in 14’ so the op’s point is moot

 

[jsol_05]

2023 and 2024 are going to be BS. I’m going to tell you that right now. 2025 is where the rubber meets the road. Doesn’t make sense to bring in a portal qb to have short term impact. We’re doing things for the long haul.

Since you don’t have premium you don’t have information regarding current positive recruiting developments. We are going to see a healthy uptick this year. QB Surace is just the start.

So in 2025 you won’t be saying we have to give him 2 more year if he hasn’t gotten it done?

 

[jsol_05]

Wait, we are getting a new football operations center? That's awesome! What the hell is it?

Quite simply, gameday coaching. Skills and recruiting are one thing. Executing X's and O's is another. And btw, its kind of annoying when people rest their laurels on the "sub-.500 overall record". Schiano inherited two atrocities of a team. First four years, the team was 12-34. Next seven years was 56-34. That's not too shabby, but people hate to break those years up a little to see what he accomplished the first go round. The dude deserves credit for what he has done.

Ok give him credit for what he done but how about what he hasn’t done. Never won a conference championship, hasn’t been a good game day coach, hasn’t recruit well in the Big 10. Has never beaten State Penn of Michigan. Never build a wall around NJ. Never beat New Hampshire😀

 

[LETSGORU91]

Ok give him credit for what he done but how about what he hasn’t done. Never won a conference championship, hasn’t been a good game day coach, hasn’t recruit well in the Big 10. Has never beaten State Penn of Michigan. Never build a wall around NJ. Never beat New Hampshire.

I wasn't building a statue for him. But he resurrected a program left for dead, created some excitement for fans and the university, produced winning records and brought Rutgers to multiple bowl games. Name me one coach who comes close to that? I'm well aware of what he hasn't done, just like all those coaches before. And I did address his gameday decisions. Funny on New Hampshire. I'd counter with Louisville, #2 South Florida and a top 12 ranking.

 

[Knight Shift]

I wasn't building a statue for him. But he resurrected a program left for dead, created some excitement for fans and the university, produced winning records and brought Rutgers to multiple bowl games. Name me one coach who comes close to that? I'm well aware of what he hasn't done, just like all those coaches before. And I did address his gameday decisions. Funny on New Hampshire. I'd counter with Louisville, #2 South Florida and a top 12 ranking.

It's fair criticism that he never won the conference championship in the watered down Big East. It's sour grapes for Greg's supporters to not give Flood credit for winning a share of the conference championship in his first year as HC and attribute Flood's sharing the championship to Greg's recruits with no credit to FLood. Flood is also the only coach in 9 years of B1G play to have a winning season and defeating one of the B1G blue bloods in 2014. The 2014 series is evidence that RU can compete in the conference and make a bowl with a winning record.

I'm not pro-Greg, anti-Greg, pro-Flood or anti-Flood. I'm pro-Rutgers, and not ready to get behind any ridiculous proclamations such as those made in the OP and the title of this thread until the current coach/program shows that they can field a semi-functional offense. This has been lacking, and it is mildly concerning that the offense showed it's best year since Greg's return in 2020 and has basically regressed since his return.

 

[rutgersal]

So in 2025 you won’t be saying we have to give him 2 more year if he hasn’t gotten it done?

We give Schiano as long as it takes because we’ll never get anyone better. We’re essentially in the Big Ten because of Schiano. With a 70M Big Ten paycheck coming next year, we’ll have the resources we need to compete.

 

[rutgersal]

Wait, we are getting a new football operations center? That's awesome! What the hell is it?

Quite simply, gameday coaching. Skills and recruiting are one thing. Executing X's and O's is another. And btw, its kind of annoying when people rest their laurels on the "sub-.500 overall record". Schiano inherited two atrocities of a team. First four years, the team was 12-34. Next seven years was 56-34. That's not too shabby, but people hate to break those years up a little to see what he accomplished the first go round. The dude deserves credit for what he has done.

The football operations center is the center of a college football players life. This is where he eats, works out, watches film, attends meetings, gets medical treatment, and sometimes hangs out. Ours is lacking when compared with big ten competitors, so it must be replaced. Designs are being finalized and HOK was retained for this purpose. This is the last piece of the puzzle needed to assure Rutgers footballs success going forward.

 

[Knight Shift]

We give Schiano as long as it takes because we’ll never get anyone better. We’re essentially in the Big Ten because of Schiano. With a 70M Big Ten paycheck coming next year, we’ll have the resources we need to compete.

Just stop already. Enthusiasm is great. This post above is pure delusion.
He's gone in 2 years if he does not have a winning record. He may be gone next year if he puts up another 1-8 record in the B1G, and deservedly so.