Watching the Happy Valley film

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

How do you punish a school for lack of control without punishing the program that the administrators put on a pedestal? So, in your mind, NOTHING should have happened because those in charge didn't do enough.

In my mind, anyone proved to have done anything illegal should be convicted and charged to the fullest extent of the law. That's what we do here in America, isn't it? As it relates to athletics, no NCAA rules were violated, which means no punishment is appropriate. In fact, the NCAA's current guidelines tell coaches to do EXACTLY what Joe Paterno did.

How about this, when their trials end, if they are found guilty of any sort of malfeasance, we institute the Death Penalty to the program?

No, thanks. Ignoring the fact that many of the charges have already been thrown out, and that the cases will likely never see trial because the state's case is so weak, see my comment above about U.S. law versus NCAA policies, and how they apply here.

That said, how about if the Paterno family's lawsuit against PSU and the NCAA ends with a formal apology and the latter parties admitting Joe Paterno handled the situation appropriately and the Freeh report was a sham, will you institute a Death Penalty to Scarlet Nation?

You don't have to agree with any of this, but praising the lifting of the sanctions puts PSU football first and the victims second. That's how you got into trouble in the first place.

Actually, it means I value due process and the proper people being punished via the proper methods. Jumping to conclusions and rushing to judgment is how the NCAA got into trouble in the first place.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Or the NCAA's leadership didn't have the courage of their conviction and rather than fight for what was right, allowed themselves to be bullied by a very strong opposition and having other battles
that were draining them financially enough to allow Penn St to walk away from their sactions.
Guess the general emotion of the cult now is:

The NCAA can afford to remain in litigation for all of eternity. It lost because it deserved to lose, and I expect that trend will continue.

 

[PSUPALY]

How do you punish a school for lack of control without punishing the program that the administrators put on a pedestal? So, in your mind, NOTHING should have happened because those in charge didn't do enough.

How about this, when their trials end, if they are found guilty of any sort of malfeasance, we institute the Death Penalty to the program? You shouldn't get a pass, and you should be more outraged that your school leaders put you in that position. I'm sure Sandusky was a really good coach, I'm also sure that Paterno could have gotten a very good replacement when he knew Sandusky was a sick man. For those that say, Sandusky wasn't even coaching at the time; I can only say there was probably good reason to keep an eye on him. To defend oneself, sometimes people tell tales.

You don't have to agree with any of this, but praising the lifting of the sanctions puts PSU football first and the victims second. That's how you got into trouble in the first place.

How do you punish a school for lack of control without punishing the program that the administrators put on a pedestal? clearly, you punish the football team...lol

How about this, when their trials end, if they are found guilty of any sort of malfeasance, we institute the Death Penalty to the program? if the admin indeed covered this up.....I gotta ask ya....what the heck does that have to do with the football team?


you should be more outraged that your school leaders put you in that position. ummm, we would be....but can they be found guilty of something first?

I'm sure Sandusky was a really good coach. yeah...nobody cares about Jerry....he's in jail where he belongs.


but praising the lifting of the sanctions. praising?...I was correcting you, that's all.

 

[miker183]

In my mind, anyone proved to have done anything illegal should be convicted and charged to the fullest extent of the law. That's what we do here in America, isn't it? As it relates to athletics, no NCAA rules were violated, which means no punishment is appropriate. In fact, the NCAA's current guidelines tell coaches to do EXACTLY what Joe Paterno did.



No, thanks. Ignoring the fact that many of the charges have already been thrown out, and that the cases will likely never see trial because the state's case is so weak, see my comment above about U.S. law versus NCAA policies, and how they apply here. If the Paterno lawsuit against PSU and the NCAA ends with a formal apology and the latter parties admitted Joe Paterno handled the situation appropriately, will you institute a Death Penalty to Scarlet Nation?



Actually, it means I value due process and the proper people being punished via the proper methods. Jumping to conclusions and rushing to judgment is how the NCAA got into trouble in the first place.

If you think we can restore Joe's sainthood because he told his BOSS, 100% wrong. You hear about something of that nature, yes, you tell your boss and then you follow up to see what was done. If nothing was done, THEN you have a decision to make. Funny thing about the rule of law these days, we no longer consider common decency. A decent human being would've have got Sandusky removed from campus, and as a friend, would have sought some help for him. And instead, JoePa did neither.

Any more comments you can keep to the BWI board, pretty sure no one here agrees with your line of thinking.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

If you think we can restore Joe's sainthood because he told his BOSS, 100% wrong.

When did I call anyone a saint? This discussion was in regards to what punishments would be appropriate given the crimes, if proven.

A decent human being would've have got Sandusky removed from campus, and as a friend, would have sought some help for him. And instead, JoePa did neither.

I know in your fantasy world Joe Paterno knew everything, including that I stole an extra chocolate chip cookie from the dining hall a few times, but in reality he could not run everything and be everywhere all the time. He can't banish someone from campus who was given emeritus status by the president and provost. Also, he was not friends with Sandusky.

Any more comments you can keep to the BWI board, pretty sure no one here agrees with your line of thinking.

I don't post at, and rarely even read, BWI, but thanks for the direction, buddy. Also, you seem to agree with at least some of my thinking, since you yourself said above that the Sandusky scandal is not a stain on the football program.

 

[PSUPALY]

edited image out because it might be considered making light of what Penn St covered up.but it's in your reply and I think you just don't want to admit seeing it.
That's alright , I feel bad posting it in such a manner because of Sandusky's victims that wouldn't have been if the Penn St leadership ( including its HC) took steps to make sure a child molester was arrested instead of taking steps to protect their football program at all costs.

yeah, i really can't see the image....i have an updated google chrome browser, not sure why...just shows a little green image icon......but geez, now i'm scared to see what you actually posted.....but hey, no joke can go too far, eh?.....but i know, i know...you care about the kids.....sure pal.


I feel bad posting it in such a manner because of Sandusky's victims........ ehhh, no you don't....you love it, in fact....hence inappropriate images of who knows what

 

[MADHAT1]

yeah, i really can't see the image....i have an updated google chrome browser, not sure why...just shows a little green image icon......but geez, now i'm scared to see what you actually posted.....but hey, no joke can go too far, eh?.....but i know, i know...you care about the kids.....sure pal.


I feel bad posting it in such a manner because of Sandusky's victims........ ehhh, no you don't....you love it, in fact....hence inappropriate images of who knows what

Mistakes are made and corrected.That's why I deleted what I did and admitted I deleted something I posted that was inappropriate considering the issue

But that's something cult members don't understand, honesty about actions taken or not taken and/or admitting you or the program you follow done something wrong is something Penn St fans should never do and the enablers protectors will never admit Penn St protected its FB program over the welfare of a child .
When the Penn St leadership told Coach Emeritus not to bring children on campus any more ( after he was caught molesting a child) and not turned in to face punishment for what he done, shows just how sick those who deny what really happened are.
No matter how you and the other enablers try to spin it, Penn St deserved the sanctions and it was a miscarriage of justice when those actions were taken away.

Spin the action I did when I realized I was doing something wrong all you like, just like you spin Penn St did nothing wrong .
The truth means nothing to those like you, protecting the Penn St FB program is all you care about.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Mistakes are made and corrected.That's why I deleted what I did and admitted I deleted something I posted that was inappropriate considering the issue

But that's something cult members don't understand, honesty about actions taken or not taken and/or admitting you or the program you follow done something wrong is something Penn St fans should never do and the enablers protectors will never admit Penn St protected its FB program over the welfare of a child .
When the Penn St leadership told Coach Emeritus not to bring children on campus any more ( after he was caught molesting a child) and not turned in to face punishment for what he done, shows just how sick those who deny what really happened are.
No matter how you and the other enablers try to spin it, Penn St deserved the sanctions and it was a miscarriage of justice when those actions were taken away.

Spin the action I did when I realized I was doing something wrong all you like, just like you spin Penn St did nothing wrong .
The truth means nothing to those like you, protecting the Penn St FB program is all you care about.

You continue to be off on your timeline of events.

In 1998, an accusation was made against Jerry Sandusky and a law enforcement investigation determined no charges should be filed, largely based on the analysis of an "expert" who concluded Sandusky was not a pedophile. He then retired in 1999, and Joe Paterno's recommendation that Sandusky not be allowed to bring kids on campus was largely ignored by the admistration, further proof that Paterno was not the all-powerful being many of you wish to believe. Regardless, the idea that these things happened after Penn State knew he was "caught molesting a child" at that time is simply incorrect.

 

[MADHAT1]

You continue to be off on your timeline of events.

In 1998, an accusation was made against Jerry Sandusky and a law enforcement investigation determined no charges should be filed, largely based on the analysis of an "expert" who concluded Sandusky was not a pedophile. He then retired in 1999, and Joe Paterno's recommendation that Sandusky not be allowed to bring kids on campus was largely ignored by the admistration, further proof that Paterno was not the all-powerful being many of you wish to believe. Regardless, the idea that these things happened after Penn State knew he was "caught molesting a child" at that time is simply incorrect.

Penn State's McQueary: I told PSU officials about sexual activity between Sandusky, boy | McClatchy DC
Nine or 10 days later, McQueary said Curley called him. He arranged to meet with Curley and Schultz in the Bryce Jordan Center. McQueary testified that he told Curley and Schultz that he saw something “extremely sexual” and “over the line.”

He said he described to Curley and Schultz what he’d seen — the position of Sandusky with his arms wrapped around the boy, the slapping sounds, the fact that both were naked. He said he did not use the terms “sodomy” or “anal intercourse.”

He said Curley and Schultz indicated they thought the situation was serious and would look into it. He was asked why he didn't call police, and said he thought that he was doing so in reporting to Schultz, who oversaw university police, among other departments.

“I thought I was talking to the head of the police, to be frank with you,” he said. “In my mind it was like speaking to a (district attorney). It was someone who police reported to and would know what to do with it.”

No one else ever came to talk to him about the shower incident until 2010, he said.

Four or five days after his conversation with Curley and Schultz, he said Curley called him and said they’d looked into the situation. Curley said told him they’d contacted The Second Mile and told them Sandusky wasn’t allowed to bring children onto campus.


Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/crime/article24720766.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Penn State's McQueary: I told PSU officials about sexual activity between Sandusky, boy | McClatchy DC
Nine or 10 days later, McQueary said Curley called him. He arranged to meet with Curley and Schultz in the Bryce Jordan Center. McQueary testified that he told Curley and Schultz that he saw something “extremely sexual” and “over the line.”

He said he described to Curley and Schultz what he’d seen — the position of Sandusky with his arms wrapped around the boy, the slapping sounds, the fact that both were naked. He said he did not use the terms “sodomy” or “anal intercourse.”

He said Curley and Schultz indicated they thought the situation was serious and would look into it. He was asked why he didn't call police, and said he thought that he was doing so in reporting to Schultz, who oversaw university police, among other departments.

“I thought I was talking to the head of the police, to be frank with you,” he said. “In my mind it was like speaking to a (district attorney). It was someone who police reported to and would know what to do with it.”

No one else ever came to talk to him about the shower incident until 2010, he said.

Four or five days after his conversation with Curley and Schultz, he said Curley called him and said they’d looked into the situation. Curley said told him they’d contacted The Second Mile and told them Sandusky wasn’t allowed to bring children onto campus.


Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/crime/article24720766.html#storylink=cpy

Ah, we were referring to different instances.

 

[MADHAT1]

Ah, we were referring to different instances.

But you must admit, two separate incidents of Penn St having to tell Sandusky not to bring children on campus, after molestation accusations, is a sign they do believe something is going on and don't want it happening on campus.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Penn State only told him not to bring kids on campus once, in 2001. Paterno recommended he not bring them in 1999, presumably because of the liability issues with Sandusky no longer being an employee, but those wishes were not honored.

 

[Howie'81]

Yes, because the NCAA shouldn't be allowed to penalize an athletic program for engaging in a criminal conspiracy.

First of all, it's been totally debunked that there was any conspiracy in the athletic program. Try to keep up with the news. Second, the NCAA does not have the role of prosecuting criminal activity. They were outside their own guidelines, not to mention out of their depth.

 

[Howie'81]

Okay, let's try this. Charges against Sandusky, were indeed, criminal, and as such, the NCAA had no grounds to do anything.

The fact that it was not addressed by a whole HOST of Sandusky's superiors for fear that it might tarnish the name of PSU football was a cover up, or what's that other phrase . . . . oh, yeah, LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL.

The fact that the NCAA reduced sanctions means that Emmert has no b@lls. I don't know that he would want us posting that here.

Not accurate. Cover up has been fully debunked, at least as it pertains to the athletic program.

 

[RU4Real]

First of all, it's been totally debunked that there was any conspiracy in the athletic program. Try to keep up with the news. Second, the NCAA does not have the role of prosecuting criminal activity. They were outside their own guidelines, not to mention out of their depth.

It hasn't been "debunked" at all.

You said yourself that Joe instructed Sandusky, way back in 90 something, to not bring kids to campus.

Why would he do that?

Because Joe Knew.

And yet... PSU still gave the guy an office and unlimited run of the campus after his, um, "retirement".

They all knew. The covered it up.

End of story.

 

[Howie'81]

Your words: "This is not a stain on PSU football, other than Sandusky, there was no direct involvement..." This is why the sanctions were correctly erased.

One can be glad that unjust penalties were eradicated and still feel sympathy for Sandusky's victims. This is not an either/or proposition.

Correct. Sadly Cheesesteak, some people can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

[Howie'81]

How do you punish a school for lack of control without punishing the program that the administrators put on a pedestal? So, in your mind, NOTHING should have happened because those in charge didn't do enough.

How about this, when their trials end, if they are found guilty of any sort of malfeasance, we institute the Death Penalty to the program? You shouldn't get a pass, and you should be more outraged that your school leaders put you in that position. I'm sure Sandusky was a really good coach, I'm also sure that Paterno could have gotten a very good replacement when he knew Sandusky was a sick man. For those that say, Sandusky wasn't even coaching at the time; I can only say there was probably good reason to keep an eye on him. To defend oneself, sometimes people tell tales.

You don't have to agree with any of this, but praising the lifting of the sanctions puts PSU football first and the victims second. That's how you got into trouble in the first place.

The major charges against Spanier, Schultz, and Curly, have already been dropped.

 

[Howie'81]

How do you punish a school for lack of control without punishing the program that the administrators put on a pedestal? So, in your mind, NOTHING should have happened because those in charge didn't do enough.

How about this, when their trials end, if they are found guilty of any sort of malfeasance, we institute the Death Penalty to the program? You shouldn't get a pass, and you should be more outraged that your school leaders put you in that position. I'm sure Sandusky was a really good coach, I'm also sure that Paterno could have gotten a very good replacement when he knew Sandusky was a sick man. For those that say, Sandusky wasn't even coaching at the time; I can only say there was probably good reason to keep an eye on him. To defend oneself, sometimes people tell tales.

You don't have to agree with any of this, but praising the lifting of the sanctions puts PSU football first and the victims second. That's how you got into trouble in the first place.

It's not their job to "keep an eye on" Sandusky when he was exonerated by the authorities of any wrongdoing. Nobody "knew" Sandusky was a sick man. Your premises are all wet.

 

[Howie'81]

Or the NCAA's leadership didn't have the courage of their conviction and rather than fight for what was right, allowed themselves to be bullied by a very strong opposition and having other battles
that were draining them financially enough to allow Penn St to walk away from their sactions.
Guess the general emotion of the cult now is:
edited emotion out because it might be considered making a joke out of Penn St covering up for their Child Molesting Coach Emeritus

Or the simpler answer: The NCAA was in the wrong.

 

[DJ Spanky]

If you think we can restore Joe's sainthood because he told his BOSS, 100% wrong. You hear about something of that nature, yes, you tell your boss and then you follow up to see what was done. If nothing was done, THEN you have a decision to make. Funny thing about the rule of law these days, we no longer consider common decency. A decent human being would've have got Sandusky removed from campus, and as a friend, would have sought some help for him. And instead, JoePa did neither.

I think that puts it the most succinctly I've seen. </thread>

 

[Howie'81]

It hasn't been "debunked" at all.

You said yourself that Joe instructed Sandusky, way back in 90 something, to not bring kids to campus.

Why would he do that?

Because Joe Knew.

And yet... PSU still gave the guy an office and unlimited run of the campus after his, um, "retirement".

They all knew. The covered it up.

End of story.

You're just another biased PSU hater, that deep down doesn't give a crap about the truth. So Joe knew in the 90's, but investigative authorities gave Sandusky a pass. Got it. As for coverups, we have a lead prosecutor and a court saying there was no cover up by the athletic program. But carry on.

 

[Howie'81]

In my mind, anyone proved to have done anything illegal should be convicted and charged to the fullest extent of the law. That's what we do here in America, isn't it? As it relates to athletics, no NCAA rules were violated, which means no punishment is appropriate. In fact, the NCAA's current guidelines tell coaches to do EXACTLY what Joe Paterno did.



No, thanks. Ignoring the fact that many of the charges have already been thrown out, and that the cases will likely never see trial because the state's case is so weak, see my comment above about U.S. law versus NCAA policies, and how they apply here.

That said, how about if the Paterno family's lawsuit against PSU and the NCAA ends with a formal apology and the latter parties admitting Joe Paterno handled the situation appropriately and the Freeh report was a sham, will you institute a Death Penalty to Scarlet Nation?



Actually, it means I value due process and the proper people being punished via the proper methods. Jumping to conclusions and rushing to judgment is how the NCAA got into trouble in the first place.

Dead on Cheesesteak.

 

[RU4Real]

You're just another biased PSU hater, that deep down doesn't give a crap about the truth. So Joe knew in the 90's, but investigative authorities gave Sandusky a pass. Got it. As for coverups, we have a lead prosecutor and a court saying there was no cover up by the athletic program. But carry on.

So then why did Joe tell Sandusky he couldn't bring kids on campus anymore?

 

[PSUPALY]

So then why did Joe tell Sandusky he couldn't bring kids on campus anymore?

in 99 when Sandusky was negotiating his retirement package. Joe was worried about liability.

edit: i'm not sure if that meant the entire campus....think Joe was worried about the football facilities, kids getting hurt w/the equipment....but honestly, i'm guessing. it was hand written note that Joe mentioned this, so a little vague.

 

[Rutgers85]

So then why did Joe tell Sandusky he couldn't bring kids on campus anymore?

Because Joe didn't like him. Don't you know anything? The e-mails cleared this all up. Besides, dear old non-creepy Jerry didn't get a fair trial so he must be innocent. Thus, since he is innocent, Joe did nothing wrong. Case closed. You Rutgers people have to move on. It's so clear nothing happened.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Ruh-roh, you've got Howie's dander up!

 

[MADHAT1]

Fact:
In 1998 after Sandusky was investigated for child molestation he was told not to bring anymore children on campus.
Not during retirement package negotiations in 1999.
The DA didn’t indict Sandusky because of lack of evidence , even tough the pervert admitted showering with a child after the child’s mother turned him in
once she found out Sandusky showered with her child.
Detective Ronald Schreffler of the PSU Campus Police checked out what happened, but the head of Penn St’s campus police controlled the investigation and told that state investigator to shut the investigation down after the local DA wasn’t going to prosecute Sandusky based on what Penn St’s campus police handed him .
So instead of making sure all the facts were obtained , then deciding to stop or ask the DA for more time to make sure they didn’t miss anything the head of Penn St’s Campus Police Department shut the investigation down, even though a second potential victim was identified in 1998 .

Both Ralph Ralston a member of the local police force , not PSU’s campus police department, and Gerald Lauro the investigator with the state welfare department were helping Detective Schreffler but in minor roles under his supervision. Ralston had stated his role was to make sure
the campus police had access to the child because the family lived in his department's jurisdiction
Lauro said he only met with Schreffler twice before it was shut down

Maybe if the Campus Police wasn’t in charge of the investigation, what came out about what happened in 1998 during Sandusky’s trial would have been found back them and Sandusky would have been arrested because the child Sandusky showered with back in 1998 gave a full accounting of what really happened and the child welfare investigator didn’t find out when he interviewed the child back in 1998 before the investigation was stopped

Penn St waited till it wouldn’t look like that investigation was the reason Sandusky retired , but looking closely at what happened in 1998, you can see why Paterno didn’t want Sandusky part of his staff and for the sake of the Nit football program’s image in 1999 Sandusky was told to retire and then given the honor of Coach Emeritus to make sure there wasn’t a connection made with the accusation of Child molestation in 1998 and no one would suspect he was forced out because of that.

 

[PSUguy410]

May I just ask a simple question? I just don't understand how some of you keep yelling that you constantly bring up the Sandusky affair because u disagree with child abuse (we can all agree on that).

But why is it then that the Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, etc. never gets discussed? I'm not trying to change the subject or defend Paterno or any of that, I'm just simply asking because many of you always have to chime in any time penn state gets brought up but NEVER discuss any of the other THOUSANDS of child abuse cases that occur every year. I'm all for raising awareness and helping victims of abuse, please sign me up! But why may I ask is it only the Penn State Victims that u care about since they're all you ever talk about? What about all the other kids out there?

 

[RU4Real]

May I just ask a simple question? I just don't understand how some of you keep yelling that you constantly bring up the Sandusky affair because u disagree with child abuse (we can all agree on that).

But why is it then that the Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, etc. never gets discussed? I'm not trying to change the subject or defend Paterno or any of that, I'm just simply asking because many of you always have to chime in any time penn state gets brought up but NEVER discuss any of the other THOUSANDS of child abuse cases that occur every year. I'm all for raising awareness and helping victims of abuse, please sign me up! But why may I ask is it only the Penn State Victims that u care about since they're all you ever talk about? What about all the other kids out there?

Because the Catholic Church (to use one of your examples) has been dragged through literally tens of thousands of hours / pages of media coverage and is referenced on a regular basis. The Catholic Church as an organization has acknowledged its role and taken steps to ensure that future incidents are either prevented or appropriately dealt with.

This contrasts sharply with Penn State, to wit, most PSU fans who come around here do so to insist that Joe The Great and Powerful knew nothing, did nothing wrong and was horribly mistreated when in reality was an innocent victim.

 

[DJ Spanky]

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Because the Catholic Church (to use one of your examples) has been dragged through literally tens of thousands of hours / pages of media coverage and is referenced on a regular basis. The Catholic Church as an organization has acknowledged its role and taken steps to ensure that future incidents are either prevented or appropriately dealt with.

This contrasts sharply with Penn State, to wit, most PSU fans who come around here do so to insist that Joe The Great and Powerful knew nothing, did nothing wrong and was horribly mistreated when in reality was an innocent victim.

You couldn't be more wrong. In fact, Penn State had implemented all but one of the 119 recommendations made in the Freeh report by July 2013, ranging from restructuring the governance of the Board of Trustrees to expanding the Office of Human Resources and expanding legal and risk reporting protocols. Hiring procedures and background checks are more intense, it's harder to go places on campus without the proper ID, our athletic department had an "integrity monitor" for a long time, etc.

 

[PSUPALY]

Because the Catholic Church (to use one of your examples) has been dragged through literally tens of thousands of hours / pages of media coverage and is referenced on a regular basis.

On this board, I think we're approaching this figure shortly...lol

 

[PSUguy410]

Because the Catholic Church (to use one of your examples) has been dragged through literally tens of thousands of hours / pages of media coverage and is referenced on a regular basis. The Catholic Church as an organization has acknowledged its role and taken steps to ensure that future incidents are either prevented or appropriately dealt with.

This contrasts sharply with Penn State, to wit, most PSU fans who come around here do so to insist that Joe The Great and Powerful knew nothing, did nothing wrong and was horribly mistreated when in reality was an innocent victim.

R u out of ur mind? Legit are you that bat poopie warped that you believe what u just wrote? The second to last Pope just resigned from office before death for only the second time EVER primarily because of concerns about how he covered up over FIFTY priests and Bishops who were raping boys around the world! Literally THOUSANDS of kids effected, with Sandusky it was just 12.

Ur so incredibly warped in ur view it's laughable, it doesn't even resemble a coherent thought. What I think is really happening is pen state is an easy target so some of the members on this board (certainly not all) continue to beat the same dead horse over and over again because it's easy. Literally it's always the same posters (4Real, Madhat, GSGS, Screw, and a couple others) who have to hijack every thread about your big "Rival" and offer the exact same arguments over and over again

 

[RU4Real]

R u out of ur mind? Legit are you that bat poopie warped that you believe what u just wrote? The second to last Pope just resigned from office before death for only the second time EVER primarily because of concerns about how he covered up over FIFTY priests and Bishops who were raping boys around the world! Literally THOUSANDS of kids effected, with Sandusky it was just 12.

Ur so incredibly warped in ur view it's laughable, it doesn't even resemble a coherent thought. What I think is really happening is pen state is an easy target so some of the members on this board (certainly not all) continue to beat the same dead horse over and over again because it's easy. Literally it's always the same posters (4Real, Madhat, GSGS, Screw, and a couple others) who have to hijack every thread about your big "Rival" and offer the exact same arguments over and over again

Yeah, I think you're missing a lot, here.

But nice job calling me names for no reason - the fewer PSU fans around here, the better. Enjoy your banning.

 

[PSUguy410]

Might I also suggest since there's such a concern in the Rutgers community about child abuse that there's constantly a real time Amber Alert thread pinned to the top of the page? I mean it's just incredible how much hypocrisy some of you have with this whole concerned about child abuse but yet only ever talk about it in relation to Penn State

 

[PSUguy410]

Yeah, I think you're missing a lot, here.

But nice job calling me names for no reason - the fewer PSU fans around here, the better. Enjoy your banning.

So basically when someone calls u out for being completely wrong u just say 'ban them and make them go away". It is what it is, some of you just want to hate and that's ok, it'll make it that much more fun when PSU continues to beat RU every year

 

[Rutgers85]

You couldn't be more wrong. In fact, Penn State had implemented all but one of the 119 recommendations made in the Freeh report by July 2013, ranging from restructuring the governance of the Board of Trustrees to expanding the Office of Human Resources and expanding legal and risk reporting protocols. Hiring procedures and background checks are more intense, it's harder to go places on campus without the proper ID, our athletic department had an "integrity monitor" for a long time, etc.

I'm confused. If the Fresh report was as bogus as you all c!aim, why would you follow his recommendations?

 

[RU4Real]

So basically when someone calls u out for being completely wrong u just say 'ban them and make them go away". It is what it is, some of you just want to hate and that's ok, it'll make it that much more fun when PSU continues to beat RU every year

No, not "someone". Just pathetic PSU apologists.

 

[PSUguy410]

No, not "someone". Just pathetic PSU apologists.

Oh ur one of those people who judges others when u don't know a thing about them on an anonymous message board... Cool life

 

[wicker]

Catholics are appalled by the behavior of our priests. We do not carry cardboard cutouts of the bishop, we do not go to message boards hollering "He told the Monsignor". We are embarrassed by the actions of those we trust and do not seek to justify what has been done. There is little of that in the PSU cases