The religion should be banned. If you still follow the teachings you are no better than the abusers you harbored.
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I'm "judging" you based on the stupid shit you write here, ya friggin' moron.
God damn... In addition to being pedophile apologists, some of you guys are aggressively stupid.
But you don't agree, you deflect. You want to defend PSU by stating that a much worse offense happened in the church. For the record, the fact that this occurred in the Catholic Church is reprehensible, but I have not seen ONE person defend it on this board. You want to say that people only post about it happening at PSU, well, perhaps, and I'm just spitballing here, that is because it is a college football board. The issue raised here is for the cover up and the fact that a small percentage of your fanbase see the program and Joe Paterno as the TRUE victims here.
It is my sincerest hope that there is a special place in hell for those that would commit these acts, but also that that be extended to those that knew and covered up. At Penn State, in the Church; anywhere in the world. I give NO ONE a pass on this behavior.
But there is not one iota of logic to your argument, there is only deflection. "Yes, I know, but look over there, THAT is much worse." Sell it somewhere else, we ain't buying.
I think many hear use the deflection argument when something goes wrong here at RU. So logically that point is not so good.
But, I didn't, so I'm good. LOL.
Truthfully, if deflection is used in an argument it is a substantially flawed position; it lends to the "symptoms" and not the problem.
The Freeh report was a bought-and-paid for sham. It's been torn apart by many more reputable sources than my anonymous posts on a message board, and it will continue to be as all of these lawsuits play out in the courts. However, if the one positive that came out of it is that Penn State updated its policies and procedures to help prevent instances like Sandusky in the future, that's a great thing.
To answer your question more directly, the people who bought and paid for Freeh's "investigation" were the 2011 PSU Board of Trustees. As Freeh's client, of course they implemented his suggestions. And regardless, your claim was that nothing has changed at PSU, which is miles from the truth.
I never stated nothing has changed so I assume you have me confused with another poster but no big deal. Since you believe the report was a "bought and paid for sham" I would assume you are implying that the board of trustees wanted the report to be damaging. Why would the board of trustees want a negative report? I'm honestly asking.
The former governor and many individual members of the board of trustees at the time had a lot to gain by pinning this as an "athletic" scandal and one bungled by a few administrators, rather than a systemic failure by the state of Pennsylvania, from the governor's office to the state and local police and agencies like the DPW and adoption authorities, as well as The Second Mile. Many members of the BoT at that time also benefited individually by deflecting attention to athletics rather than their own connections to Corbett/TSM. There's plenty of information on all of the ties on the internet if you care to seek it out, though I'm aware this is easy to dismiss as a conspiracy theory. And who knows, maybe those of us who think some people are being railroaded here totally off base; I'd love to find out through all of the trials currently playing out.
What's interesting to note in that regard, a few posters here keep saying Penn State alums want to just move on from the scandal and forget it ever happened. In fact, quite the opposite is true. It was the BOT preaching the "Move On" narrative, and it still does to a point (though many of those trustees have since resigned or been voted out of their roles), whereas many Penn Staters continue to seek the whole truth behind what was an immense failure to recognize a serial pedophile was committing these crimes for years. Personally, I'm not afraid of the truth. But I do want the entire truth, not what was fed to me through leaked and exaggerated Grand Jury reports, tons of misinformation that continues to be parroted by the media, and all of the stalling being done by the NCAA, Freeh and PSU.
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Joe had dozens of microphones and cameras at his home for a week. he could've had any amount of time on any network news show. He passed. Those who have answers continue to delay their day in court. How are we to get the "truth" when those who seem to have it refuse to disclose anything?
And again, a conspiracy involving the university president, football coach and AD is preposterous, but one involving the Governor, State Police, Legislature, Lawyers, News Media and a charitable venture is completely plausible. PSU logic at work
What was Paterno going to say in the weeks after the scandal? I doubt he would have been aware of everything going on behind the scenes. He could have told his side of the story, but unfortunately his press conference immediately after the story broke was canceled by the university (BOT trying to control the narrative here is certainly interesting, considering it let the narrative spin out of control on ESPN, CNN and every other news channel in the country). And I'm sure he was being advised by his family and lawyers not to say much given the atmosphere at the time. One thing we do know was documented was he wasn't completely trustworthy of how Penn State would handle the entire situation, as he reportedly told McQueary to lawyer up himself and to "not trust Old Main."
Simply put, regardless of what you'd like to believe, and you're certainly entitled to your opinion, I answered the other poster's question as far as why the Board of Trustees might have wanted the Freeh report to pin most of the responsibility on a few people, including the head football coach. At least you called the idea that Curley, Spanier, Schultz and Paterno covered up Sandusky's crimes for the benefit of a football program a conspiracy, because it is indeed that. Let's all hope we learn more and more details as all of these trials play out.
I post ocassionally on premium boards on the other sites. Way too many wackos on BWI.
I post here because I'm from NJ and enjoy conversing here. I can talk Penn State all day with my friends - anonymous internet posters don't intrigue me - but I like the back and forth with fans of other teams.
I post here because I'm from NJ and enjoy conversing here. I can talk Penn State all day with my friends - anonymous internet posters don't intrigue me - but I like the back and forth with fans of other teams.
U obviously can't read be what I wrote clearly states that's I'm not defending paterno or any of that, was just merely curious.
Don't u think it will be kinda sad when 10 years from now some of u will still be harping on about penn state/child rape just be ur looking for a target?
Correct me if I'm wrong MadHat but didn't you previously brag about being banned from the BWI board because you posted some offensive stuff "that had to be said"..
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Yes I did and still proud of going over there years ago to state my opposition to their claim of no cover up happened
Posted pictures and posted articles about the cover-up there because of all the cult traffic that was coming on this site with claims of innocence .
Guess you feel Penn St fans have every right to say what they want here, but RU fans can't say anything that offends the cult when posting on BWI.
BWI bans at the drop of a hat and this Hat got a quick ban.
Scarlet Nation allows Penn St ( and trolls from other rivals boards) fans to talk trash here , unlike BWI that bans you if you post anything showing the cover up was real and their HC at the time was part of it.
If I offend you by not taking Nit BS, that's something I'm prepared to live with .
Reppin Jerz is a name that reminds me of recruits that go somewhere else and claim they are representing Jersey while playing out of state. That's something I live with every-time I see you post here as a RU fan.
Whether you're a RU fan or not I can't say, but you do represent Penn St very well when that school is the issue.
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Yes I did and still proud of going over there years ago to state my opposition to their claim of no cover up happened
Posted pictures and posted articles about the cover-up there because of all the cult traffic that was coming on this site with claims of innocence .
Guess you feel Penn St fans have every right to say what they want here, but RU fans can't say anything that offends the cult when posting on BWI.
BWI bans at the drop of a hat and this Hat got a quick ban.
Scarlet Nation allows Penn St ( and trolls from other rivals boards) fans to talk trash here , unlike BWI that bans you if you post anything showing the cover up was real and their HC at the time was part of it.
If I offend you by not taking Nit BS, that's something I'm prepared to live with .
Reppin Jerz is a name that reminds me of recruits that go somewhere else and claim they are representing Jersey while playing out of state. That's something I live with every-time I see you post here as a RU fan.
Whether you're a RU fan or not I can't say, but you do represent Penn St very well when that school is the issue.
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MadHat i apologize that my user handle gives you anxiety...and I'm glad you can understand that someone can possibly grow up a PSU fan and have a lot of admiration for that football program but also cheer for Rutgers football and want to see it do
Big things as someone who grew up and lives in NJ...I must admit tho, I don't see many PSU fans coming over here talking trash...but I can understand when fans come
Over here to defend the program against the Sandusky accusations, it's like being called a racist becuase your great great great great grandparents owned slaves...other people's sins shouldn't reflect on an entire community...i think personally that the pedo jokes and commentary that is thrown at current PSU fans is insensitive and lacks respect for the actual victims but that is an arguement that can't be won on this board I realize that.
Big things as someone who grew up and lives in NJ...I must admit tho, I don't see many PSU fans coming over here talking trash...but I can understand when fans come
Over here to defend the program against the Sandusky accusations, it's like being called a racist becuase your great great great great grandparents owned slaves...other people's sins shouldn't reflect on an entire community...i think personally that the pedo jokes and commentary that is thrown at current PSU fans is insensitive and lacks respect for the actual victims but that is an arguement that can't be won on this board I realize that.
It's not really this board as a whole it's really about 6 posters, always the same ones making the same arguments. Madhat can't keep his mouth shut when it comes to bashing penn state. There's always crazies in every fan base and he just hates everything about psu and just uses the Sandusky incident as a reason to continue to bash.
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10 years from now, the fact that the most vile scandal in ncaa history happened at your school will not be lessened or softened in any way...nor the fact that your old worshiped coach likely knew entirely too much...
It's funny (not really funny) the only two fan bases that continually bring up the Sandusky scandal and the fact the sanctions didn't have their intended impact on the football program are RU fans (maybe 6 on this board as your say?) and the 6 total Pitt fans. And from the many many conversations I've had, it seems mainly based around the underlying feeling that the sanctions were intended to put both programs finally ahead of PSU in recruiting and on field success, and the fact that the worst record PSU had during all of the sanction years was 6-6 and PSU continued to recruit at a fairly high level doesn't sit well with many. I myself felt the sanctions (punishing the wrong people aside)would have a catastrophic impact on recruiting and likewise on field success for years to come, but as much as he didn't live up to the hype, it can't be understated how much Christian Hackenberg's committing to the program and remaining committed after the sanctions were handed down, boosted recruiting and kept the competition level at a reasonable level with the rest of the league for the most part. I understand the animosity towards paterno by RU and Pitt fan bases, but I also understand the reasoning that these three fan bases feel so differently about the man and that gap will never be bridged.
U see ur just being a doublchebag here. Ur wording this to sound all kinds of high and mighty when ur own school year after year embarrasses itself on the field and off. Why aren't you yelling more about your own secondary breaking into homes and stealing? Why aren't you talking up the importance of college athletes to actually go to class and not intimidate professors? Bc that's no fun and u just want to yell about penn state
Why don't u walk outside away from the safe haven of an anonymous online message board and start spreading the word of penn state cover up on street corners or at the office. Why don't you see what the reaction is... Here's a little clue, the rest of the world has moved on but a few select cultists from RU and Pitt like to bring up Sandusky every time penn state gets brought up just so they can bash.
It's ok though, 10 years from now when RU still hasn't beaten penn state on the field go ahead and tell, most people will think to themselves 'seriously, the guy needs to move on with his life'
The only two fan bases that keep bringing it up are from Pitt and Rutgers?...and because we are jealous?...or hope for a recruiting advantage?
The sad thing is that the fan base that should have been the most vigorous and most aggressive in demanding changes in the football program
instead attacked the BOT for facing the fact that three of the most powerful people on campus, "after talking to Joe", decided to hide the fact that a pedophile was roaming the campus and had used the football program to gain access to his victims. Instead we had PSU fans like Howie tell us no rape occurred, or that Paterno met his obligation by telling an administrator. What a crock of shit! Paterno should have called the police or instructed McQueery to call the police. Period. May he rot in hell and may all you Penn State apologists join him. This was the rape of chidren.
No one defended the ones that (stupidly) committed criminal acts. In fact, they were first removed from the team and then the school.
Imagine if, when he found out, Paterno removed Sandusky from the school?? As for spreading the word on the street? I remember a guy at PSU (might have been a prof) standing silently at Paterno's statue with a sign that expressed his disappointment, and he was accosted by the Cult.
And, your base, should be the loudest in this issue. Should be, but won't. And I know it is a small part of your fan base, but the normal people refuse to attempt to silence the few that feel that PSU football was the REAL victim here. You straighten out your mess, we'll take care of ours. Like when players break the law here, they are not permitted to STAY.
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Truth stings, doesn't it jackass...? You will ALWAYS be known as the school that harbored a pedophile and his enabler...you know the old fool that ran your program...Saint Joe I think you called him? Like SMU and the death penalty, you and the worst scandal possible is your lot to deal with!
Wait, I thought that Reppin Jerz (according to him) is part of the RU fan base, but he doesn't sound that way here? Hmmm. Once again:
Reppin_Jerz = Reppin Pedophilia
OK I see how this works. PSU will get better over the next few years but Rutgers won't? We weren't that good last year either relative to our teams performance the past 10 years or so and if you hadn't noticed our coaching staff was a joke hence a change was made. But PSU will automatically improve the next few years and Rutgers won't. OK, there's no bias there on your end. And what makes last year's PSU team "historically mediocre"? Let me guess....the loss to Temple? Last year's PSU team was really no worse than it's 2012-2014 teams or some of those teams with losing records in the early 2000's. I mean what's the difference in losing to probably one of Temple's best teams ever vs. losing to Ohio of the MAC or Toledo? I'm not saying PSU won't get better over the next year or two but it won't be in isolation. Maryland and Rutgers just hired new coaches and will likely be coached up much better. At least we will be.
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To answer your questions in order (even though they are rhetorical) yes only those two fan bases...I never said anything about jealousy, I implied there was disappointment the sanctions didn't have the impact that many thought it would...and yes I read many threads on here that said PSU would no longer be able to recruit the top players because parents wouldn't let their kids go to a school with that stigma and reputation.
The problem with all of this is child abuse is a major society issue, it's not just a penn state issue. Penn state as an institution is at the forefront now of raising awareness for child abuse. I don't see the Rutgers community standing up against it, only bashing PSU fans for supporting a school that is much more than a football program, ITS REALLY ONLY SELF SERVING, the fans doing it aren't doing it with the victims in mind.
Do many of you realize the millions the paterno family gave/gives to Academics at PSU, probably more than all RU Alumni give on an annual basis, so there is one big reason Joe is honored at PSU, not just a football coach but a philanthropist. While RU football drains academic funding with subsidies, Paterno endowed future PSU academics even after his death.
I only say this to educate not to defend any actions or inactions. There is nothing right about any of the the scandal and most PSU supporters will admit there were many things that were handled poorly.
Changes in the football program? U obviously don't follow this case Bc since the freeh report was released they recommended 120 steps to be taken to change the program, so far 119 of the 120 have been done
Ur completely wrong man 100% false what u just wrote
Dude there's nothing that stings and what's hysterical is ppl on here are jumping on me about being an apologist and rot in hell and all that.
PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE IN MY RESPONSES I EVER ONCE DEFENDED JOE PATERNO.
I didn't, I personally believe that he should have done more although I do believe he was not fully aware of the whole situation as Mcqueary himself has changed his story no short of 5 times. I believe that disrespecting the dead particularly when that dead person positively affected the lives of thousands of people is bad form and reserved for bottom dwellers but that's 100% your choice if you want to do so.
But don't start yelling at me about Joe Paterno when I do not defend him and I have moved on with my life beyond the scandal just like the rest of the population and the victims. It's the RU/Pitt cult that gets pissed that they can't recruit against us who yells and screams still, no where else
Here is what you drones will never quite understand:
Yes Sandusky was a monster we will all agree except for a few of your most mindless zombies.
The issue isn't Joe, Spanier, or even Sandusky specfiically. The issue is that State Penn's CULTURE of "the football program is sacred" is what allowed that monster to molest children for decades. And that is why State Penn the SCHOOL needed to be punished SEVERELY.
And as for your notion that "oh you just wanted to see State Penn burn so your own program would get better"....BULLSHIT. And stop whining about the wrong people being punished. It isn't about punishing people it was about reprogramming your sick school to get your goddamn priorities straight.
I wanted to see your program BURN because you deserved it. And dammit it if not I'm positive that if it was us that it happened to , the program would have been shut down, no questions asked.
Yes Sandusky was a monster we will all agree except for a few of your most mindless zombies.
The issue isn't Joe, Spanier, or even Sandusky specfiically. The issue is that State Penn's CULTURE of "the football program is sacred" is what allowed that monster to molest children for decades. And that is why State Penn the SCHOOL needed to be punished SEVERELY.
And as for your notion that "oh you just wanted to see State Penn burn so your own program would get better"....BULLSHIT. And stop whining about the wrong people being punished. It isn't about punishing people it was about reprogramming your sick school to get your goddamn priorities straight.
I wanted to see your program BURN because you deserved it. And dammit it if not I'm positive that if it was us that it happened to , the program would have been shut down, no questions asked.
Patrick, your use of "drones" makes sense, I was looking for your normal Meme...I'm not sure there was any "decades" of abuse, at least from what I've read in the media, was maybe over a 5 year period? Not that it makes it any better...in any case the School as you say WAS punished, so why can't we move on from that point of contention as a rival fan base? This isn't like UNC where they will never be punished for an obvious NCAA violation. Punishment was handed down And served from a purely sports point of view.
totally different situation but what kind of sanctions should RU football be given for having a head coach intimidate professors and meet in secrecy to try to get thug players academically eligible? A head coach who himself noted it was common practice to have interactions on grades with professors. Isn't that promotions a culture where the football program comes before anything?
oh please.
The "punishment" did not fit the crime, and it did absolutely nothing to punish the State Penn culture which, other than Sandusky, was the main culprit.
and please don't bring up Flood or any other "situation" at Rutgers. Its like comparing a pop gun to a nuclear explosion.
So this is where we disagree. In no way does the actions (or non actions) of 5 people represent the pen state community as a whole. That's like saying that the whole Catholic Church has a culture problem or the Boy Scouts have a culture problem, it's just stupid to make that jump
What Paterno gave or did not give to Penn St is immaterial and his won / loss record as the Penn St HC isn't the problem either.
The Problem is : Penn St allowed a child molester to remain free to molest other children and Penn St refused to make sure that molester never did it again after Sandusky was caught .
Joe Paterno played a major role in the cover-up that allowed the Penn St Coach Emeritus to continue molesting children and no amount of good deed spin on your part can change that.
By the way: Penn St is in the forefront of raising child abuse awareness because they were forced to pay a $60 Million fine that would be given to an endowment to support child abuse prevention programs.
That fine was challenged in order to control where the fine would go. Instead of endowing a national child abuse prevention program, the NCAA was taken to court so the $60 million could only be used for child abuse prevention programs in Pennsylvania .
It wasn't the goodness of Penn St's heart that made them start helping child abuse prevention,
it was being forced to start doing that and finding a way to make it look like they were truly concerned about Child abuse .
Penn St wasn't in the forefront of raising awareness for child abuse before the sanctions, in fact they were enabling child abuse and got caught .
Getting caught protecting a child molester is why Penn St now is involved in child abuse prevention and getting involved wasn't what Penn St planned to do when they allowed Sandusky to roam free on the Penn St campus .
It isn't just those 5 people, it's all the cult members denying there was a cover up and claiming Paterno wasn't part of it.
Those cult members are the face of the Penn St community in every rivals board they post on .
There are some great Penn St fans that deserve respect and they are not part of the Penn St community that deserves to be vilified like cult members do.
Those that defend anyone or group that covers up child abuse deserve to be vilified as well,
including anyone that tries to protect those trying to defend the scum that covered up child abuse anywhere it happened
May I ask you the last time someone came over here and denied paterno's involvement? I read your board and that hasn't been said in years. Any logical pen state fan will tell you that of course Paterno was involved, hell its public knowledge that he reported to his superiors what McQueary had told him. What I can't stand is how some of you have decided to lump together every penn state fan to the 2 or 3 they may have made some emotionally charged inaccurate statements about Paterno and in all likelihood those same posters are not PSU grads.
Stop just assuming every psu fan is an ass clown who defends Paterno day and night, it's not the case at all. 99% of our fanbase has moved on and are focused on Franklin and co and the rebuild. What's annoying is that some of ya'll ONLY want to talk about the Sandusky scandal and there's no further discussion on your end about anything to do with that school besides the Sandusky scandal.
Get over yourself or literally walk outside from your parents basement and start talking to people on the streets and see how high on the list of priorities the penn state Sandusky scandal is to the general population. U'll find that outside of this message board, nobody still dwells on it. People have more important things going on in their life than to worry about the penn state scandal from 5 years ago. I'm sorry some of ur lives are so bleak that this is all you have to yell about to find happiness
So you yell initially bc you say penn state has a culture problem and needed to punish the program and make changes. Then u proceed to yell about the steps they DID make saying they were forced.
At the end of the day there's a pattern here and that pattern is you just like to yell about penn state. If Rutgers could actually beat penn state on the field, u wouldn't shut up about it for a year, ur just looking for reasons to yell about psu and currently with the state of recruiting mixed with on field results, there's literally nothing u can yell about besides Sandusky, I'll try to twist this and say you don't like child abuse so that's why u yell, but if that was the case you would be talking about other organizations all the time that have to deal with this but u don't. Just penn state... Lol
Our current state of recruiting at the moment is just fine. Some of you Penn State people like to make this about the jealousy of Rutgers or Pitt fans. Funny, you guys should know about jealousy. Throughout recent history PSU fans have always been one of the loudest to shout down the likes of Miami and Florida State and Ohio State for being "thugs" and PSU fans traditionally thumb their noses at schools like West Virginia, Georgia and Tennessee (as recently as the Shoop defection) for their perceived lower academic standards. Because you thumped your chests for decades about the "success with honor" crap, and that's just what it as, chest thumping, schools with similar or even more success than PSU also weren't shedding a tear for you guys when this all went down. Get over yourselves...not everyone is jealous of Penn State football. Some people can actually separate what went on there from the football and see it for the vile disgusting mess it was.
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