If Rutgers Football has another non-winning season (5 wins or less), will GS be on the hotseat at the end of the 2023?
Will GS be on the Hot Seat a year from now?
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GS will not be on the hot seat in the next 5 years, if ever, according to many of his loyal supports on this site. There would be no Rutgers football without GS, accept that fact or be labeled a troll. He is untouchable, the mold for the casting of the bronze statue is being created as we speak.
Voted "No" because I think even with that year, he won't be because of external reasons (buy out cost specifically).
Should he be going into 2024 after said 2023? Yes.
But I think realistically he won't be.
Earliest for a hot seat and firing would be 2025.
Then we are only on the hook for 2 years of salary.
Should he be going into 2024 after said 2023? Yes.
But I think realistically he won't be.
Earliest for a hot seat and firing would be 2025.
Then we are only on the hook for 2 years of salary.
Better question (and probably separate thread) is does HC Schiano get an extension after 2023? Or at least start talks.
He would only have 4 years left after 2023. Isn't the story " Coaches can't recruit with only 3 or 4 year contracts. Then they can't guarantee a recruit you'll be here their entire career" (or something like that).
He would only have 4 years left after 2023. Isn't the story " Coaches can't recruit with only 3 or 4 year contracts. Then they can't guarantee a recruit you'll be here their entire career" (or something like that).
The answer is yes imo. He won’t get beyond 5 straight years of below .500 regular season records.
I’ve given the precedents across the P5 and it’s not likely any different in the G5 for that matter.
Less than a handful of coaches have made it to year 5 with 4 straight below .500 years. I couldn’t find any that made it to year 6 with 5 straight losing seasons. We paid Ash 8.5M when we fired him and we’d be paying GS 12M or so if after next year and 9M or so if after year 5. We’ll be getting more money from the B10 as well.
I’ve given the precedents across the P5 and it’s not likely any different in the G5 for that matter.
Less than a handful of coaches have made it to year 5 with 4 straight below .500 years. I couldn’t find any that made it to year 6 with 5 straight losing seasons. We paid Ash 8.5M when we fired him and we’d be paying GS 12M or so if after next year and 9M or so if after year 5. We’ll be getting more money from the B10 as well.
I do think a bad year has him on the hot seat. He has accomplished what he was really brought in to do- but now, he has to start winning and exciting the fanbase.
If they’re smart the answer is no. Chip Kelly went to near the end of his contract at UCLA befor he finally had a year worthy of extension. I don’t remember Harbaugh’s details but he wasn’t much better contract wise until his breakthrough. I see it happen on the FCS level where coaches are “fired” by simply letting their contracts run their course. That demonstrates no extensions were given.
In this age where a team can be remade quickly through the portal it’s even less necessary to have that whole need it for recruiting BS. But ADs are generally suckers so I wouldn’t be surprised by it. There’s no reason for a coach to have 4 years constantly on their contract in this age. Players leave on a drop of a hat and so do coaches, it’s not a good idea to be holding more years than needed especially for school with less resources. It’s just another form of heads I win tails you lose.
5 wins and he is more than safe. Really have to look at the schedule. Even this year, the consensus was 4 wins. This isn’t the ACC or the B1G West.
He can possibly survive through year 4 which is next year with a below .500 regular season. He could get fired too. It’s year 5 that would be hot if year 4 is below .500 in the regular season.
No coach has made year 6 with 5 straight losing regular seasons.
Let’s hope we don’t have to find out if RU will keep him with 5 wins the next 2 years.
We can’t keep paying 4 mill for 4 to 5 wins a year. Those win numbers won’t attract recruits
Bielema just got an extension and bump from 4.3M to 6M. They had a good season but I wouldn’t have done it. Give him a big bonus if you want but I wouldn’t look to increase the fixed costs of the contract just off 1 year. I’d want to see more.
...true that highlighted above.. Not sure any coach would survive 6 straight years of less than .a 500 record.
Big question is 2 years from now if the removal of divisions occurs, that may beneficially impact scheduling...
Not 6 straight years of losing regular seasons, 5. Even 4 straight regular losing season is a very low survival rate. Only 3 coaches I found that made it to year 5 in that scenario. Cutcliffe, Wilson and Frost.
Based on the $70 million + B1G payout to Rutgers in 2024 , Yes.
I will be shocked if we get to 5 wins. Probably 4 which puts him on a hot seat/ the Search begins.
My glass is half full. I like to think we will win 5-7 every year playing 3 Top 10 teams every year. If the schedule gets easier that number goes up. As the rebuild gets stronger that number goes up. Right now I’m thinking 5-7 wins again next year like last year and coulda, woulda shoulda this year. Hoping for closer to 7 than 5 these next 3 years.
Schiano 1.0 survived 4 straight losing seasons. So will schiano 2.0.
Anti Schiano Trolls gonna be sad next year
You’re reaching back quite far for that. I was looking into about the last 10-12 years. Times are different in the last decade let alone the last 15-20 years. Shea did too if you want to go that far but then the number of surviving coaches goes from 3 to 5, it’s still not a big number. He could survive a 4th straight losing season but I wouldn’t bet on it. No one goes beyond 5 straight losing regular seasons. So as to the poll, the answer is yes he’d be on a hot seat going into year 5 if year 4 ended up being like the poll is stating.
You are not properly assessing the context of Rutgers situation, which is incomparable to others.
- Rutgers situation is unique
- we start out with 3 definite losses with OSU, UM, and PSU, plus a fourth as we usually play a difficult team from the West like Iowa or Wisconsin
- we don’t have the same resources as the aforementioned, especially facilities, which puts us in an adverse situation with regards to recruiting
- there is no NIL support to recruit the best transfers so quality of transfers we are able to attract, is limited
- the Football Fieldhouse, which is needed to better recruit, and is written into his contract, is still being designed
- the 8 year contract was provided because it was known that this would be a difficult job, to get Rutgers competitive
- Schiano’s first tenure lasted 11 years, so he has significant goodwill among the people that matter
- progress has been shown on the defensive side of the ball
- offense is in the process of being fixed. It will be a multi year effort to do so, especially developing offensive linemen and wide receivers, especially WR1, the bulk of which will come from high school players, who have higher ceilings
- Gavin Wimsatt and Sam Brown are two foundation pieces for the offense
- Schiano has the support of the AD, who understands this is a difficult situation
- Schiano has the support of the big money donors, who understand this is a difficult situation
- Schiano had the support of the Governor, who understands this is a difficult situation
- Rutgers isn’t a football program attached to the university. It is a university that has a football program
- there is no win mandate because all the stakeholders understand how difficult it is, and any assertion has no basis
- Schiano will methodically build the football program and graduate the kids, which is the expectation
- Johnathan Holloway played football at Stanford, and understands how difficult it is to win at this level
Even if everything you say is 100% true, if the fans aren't buying it and don't show up to the games they will make a change. Watch, attendance is going to start nose diving if he can't get to at least .500 within the next two years. He can't survive 25-30k actual butts in seats for multiple years.
Team will be improved this year but may not have a winning record. I’m not worried about attendance because that will improve as we improve the football program. Priority 1 is fixing the offense, which will be facilitated by new playmakers. Need to improve competitiveness, and as long as we can show continuous improvement, he will be fine.
If he starts with 6 straight losing seasons, he should and will be fired. I don’t expect that to happen as he should hit .500 at least once in the next 3
If we’re playing exciting football in year 6, and attendance is fine, and we finish 5-7, he is not getting canned, sorry to tell you. If people want to win sooner, people need to pony up for NIL, like I did.
Everyone likes to think there’s some uniqueness to their own situation but that’s usually not the case. The standard here won’t be any different than around college football in general or schools like Kansas or Vandy or Duke or IU or whatever lower status school. Also 7-10 year contracts are fairly ubiquitous now and that’s not something unique to GS or the RU situation, just the stupidity of ADs in general. I’ll be shocked if he gets more than 5 years if not one of them is at least a 6 win regular season. 4 straight losing regular seasons is even iffy but I can see him making it through that but not 5 straight.
Our situation is uniquely challenging. Kansas, Duke, and Vandy, don’t have the scheduling difficulty that we do. Maryland just spent $250M on the best football facility money can buy, and they have lapped us in football thanks to out recruiting us. You don’t make up a 37-0 deficit overnight. This will take time, especially because we are building with mostly 3* kids and will have to rely on player development, which doesn’t happen overnight. It took 9 years of neglect to get us into this situation. It is going to take time to rectify it.
People that matter know this is not an easy situation. Continuous progress is the mandate.
Laugh but the topic is coming sooner than many are ready to believe.
After 2024 (2 season away), HC Schiano will have only 3 years left on his contract.
I would almost guarantee the old "HC can't recruit with only 3 years of contract. Need to guarantee HS recruits HC Schiano will be around their entire career" is brought up.
So it's either going to be no contract extension or contract extension (and raise?) sooner than later.
8 year contract really means it's a 5 year contract before decisions need to be made.
Six straight losing seasons is not exciting football.
But like I posted , I don’t expect that to happen .
Al, I’m sorry to tell you, but if we don’t start playing ‘competitive football’ until another 3 seasons from now it will be because their is a new coach at the helm implementing his system…
My honest opinion is next year is similar to year 3 Ash. No not in the level of coaching, in the level of hot seat. Let’s say we remain a 4-5 win team next year. I hope to god the offense improves however I don’t know how much is realistic at this point in the portal and us still not having an OC. Granted, I think that buys Greg the start of 2024 but the team will have to show some offensive prowess early that season as the expectation. That’s going to be a tough task in 2024 as we are playing VT and PSU both in September. I’ll go on record now as saying I think it’s midway through 2024 he gets canned.
Now I will also go on record and say nothing would make me happier than to be wrong. I simply have no faith in this new version of schiano who this past season gave a whole lot of excuses in a way I’ve never seen a HC at a program do.
Unfortunately Al, I believe you are too married to schiano to really ever give up hope even when there is none (not saying that’s the case now but you are the only person saying if he goes 5-7 year 6 he’s still fine)
OP is an a****** posting this bs the day before NLOI DAY. Is that you Steve Politi????
I think you could get a good coach for 4 millions. However, GS is proving your statement to be correct 😂😂
I also think it depends a lot on what the offense looks like next year. If we go 5-7 but are consistently putting up points and showing signs that point to a successful 2024, I think that eases some of the pressure.
I don’t know how Greg wouldn’t be on the hot seat after next year if the offense remains similar to what we saw this year. At some point there has to be some tangible improvement offensively. Gleason was hand picked by Greg remember
I don’t know how Greg wouldn’t be on the hot seat after next year if the offense remains similar to what we saw this year. At some point there has to be some tangible improvement offensively. Gleason was hand picked by Greg remember
Better question…will GS have an offensive coordinator a year from now….
No, nor should he be.
Rutgers's stakeholders need to understand better the machinery of their own program. He could win a combined 7 games over the next two seasons, and still be the best shot the program has for any taste of sustained, long-term success -- and not because I think he's much of a gameday play caller.
Rutgers's stakeholders need to understand better the machinery of their own program. He could win a combined 7 games over the next two seasons, and still be the best shot the program has for any taste of sustained, long-term success -- and not because I think he's much of a gameday play caller.
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