Yes because of how badly the offense has been mismanaged
Will GS be on the Hot Seat a year from now?
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7 wins in the next 2 seasons and still the best shot at success??? Explain yourself
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Yes, his complete ignorance on the offensive side of the ball will be inexcusable. He’ll be coaching for his job in 2024
GS needs to show at least one 7 win season or 2 six win seasons before we consider an extension.
Yeah, recruits read and are swayed by this board. Give me a break. I someone was verbaled to RU and then decommits tonight because of my post then they probably weren't going to make it at RU.
What you are not understanding is that next year's schedule is particularly brutal, and right now there are only two guaranteed wins, Wagner and Temple, and maybe a third in Indiana.
Northwestern, VT, MSU are games we should have a chance in. The rest of the games, we will have virtually no chance in. PSU we play November 18th. So while we should be better on offense, it may not reflect in the win column. Right now, we look like a 2-4 win team to me, based on what we know today. Its going to take time to fix the offense. Thankfully, most of the needed talent is going to be on the roster by tomorrow. And we will also get a few more transfers to help out. But the kids are going to need time to develop. Nothing happens immediately around here.
First of all, you are overrating our schedule. VT has been falling apart for several years. Northwestern won 1 game last year. Rutgers plays a cupcake OOC schedule, and then we get to play a couple of bottom tier Big 10 programs. Second, Greg has had 3 years to work on fixing the offense, and we seem to be going backwards, not forward. He is on the hot seat with another losing year and gets fired in 2024 if we can’t put together a functional offense and a winning season.
Until we can demonstrate a functional offense, i wouldn't feel comfortable in games against Northwestern and VT. Building a program takes time, and everyone is all in. His seat won't even be warm after another losing season. That's for me to know, and you to find out.
"People in the know" are dependent on us regular fans, the kind you despise, to actually show up to these games. You can talk and talk and rationalize and rationalize, but us regular fans require wins to continue to support the team by buying season tickets and continuing to attend the games. The hoity-toity crapola might be good enough for the woke, wine and cheese crowd you hang with, but like I said, for us common slobs, its wins and losses baby, and you can take your "continuous improvement" crapola and shove it where the sun don't shine. And I mean that only in the nicest way Rutgers fan to Rutgers fan.
VT and Northwestern are two of the P5 teams that somehow managed to be worse than Rutgers this year and we get them at home. We better do more than "have a chance" in those games.
Wow. "Particularly brutal?" Any worse than this year? We should be able to win six games, not counting the Maryland game, which is here next year. Yes, we lost to Michigan State, but again next year's game is here. Fans are entitled to be disappointed if we don't qualify for a bowl next year. OTOH, I see *no* prospect that Schiano's job will be in jeopardy no matter what the record is unless there is some kind of scandal. He's going to be given five years minimum, and probably more.
Schiano is going to be the coach of this team five years from now. You guys getting your hopes up that he will be fired are only setting yourselves up for disappointment.
If the O sucks again next year and we win 4 or less, you can bet your behind his seat will be hot and there will be pressure, as there should, to make a change. 5-7 with a couple B10 wins and I think he's safe.
So you are telling me that essentially our median number of wins next year is 3-4? In year 4 of schiano? And that suggests progress?
Al, there’s a difference between being patient and being taken advantage of. If we don’t at least improve upon our win total from last year there is a serious problem.. the problem is Greg’s offensive philosophy, point blank. It says something Al that we’re at signing day and still have no OC…. I do agree that a 4-5 win team that plays most of its games similar to our Michigan state game would be encouraging, at the same token if we go back out and get shutout by the Minnesota’s and Maryland’s of the conference, at what point is enough enough?
At some point Al, you have to let go of Louisville and start judging this fairly. Again I emphasize, I think you are just a bit too married to the idea of schiano to look at this rationally
People said the same thing about this years schedule and it was one of our easiest in years. If he wins 4 games next year it's possible he is shown the door. Not rooting for it to happen but you can't bullshit a bullshitter either. Hobbs doesn't like him. Don't forget that.
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Theres next to zero chance hes shown the door after next season. After 2024 though if he takes another dump? 100%
Exactly what has he accomplished in 4 years in 4 straight losing records under the hypothetical? Let's stop the enabling of accepting mediocrity.
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I'm putting you in upset alert that he does get fired after year 5 of another losing season. The BS excuses have to end.
He righted the ship and got it floating again. But he actually did that by year two. So, with that- I give him the first two.
But, that is why I said, he can’t have another bad year. If me, if we go 4 wins and offense is this bad again, I move on from him.
He was able to turn the defense into a very good unit- if he can’t turn that corner on offense this year, he never will.
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I would move on too but reality is its not gonna happen. Hes getting minimum 5 years. But if the offense looks inept again in year 4, his seat will be inferno in 2024. You have to wonder if that ego maniac steps down after 2023 rather than risking being fired
Unless this next season is an outright disaster, like 1 or 2 wins, then I expect he'd get the 5th year.
But 4 wins, and an ugly offense definitely has him on the hot seat going into year 5.
4 wins a better looking offense, Gavin showing real promise, the the seat is luke warmish into year 5.
But 4 wins, and an ugly offense definitely has him on the hot seat going into year 5.
4 wins a better looking offense, Gavin showing real promise, the the seat is luke warmish into year 5.
Not to be persnickety here, but what do we mean by "the hot seat?" Short of scandal or the team visibly quitting on him, Schiano is safe for at least the next two years regardless of his record. But in terms of fan support, there will be a lot of doubt expressed about him if he doesn't show progress. At the very least, we shouldn't be getting trampled by teams like Maryland and Minnesota.
My grammar and phone typing were horrific in that post, but whatever. I respect your opinion, but we need to cut the enabling behavior as fans and the narrative that we are guaranteed 3 losses every year and get serious.
Bret Bielema's Illinois beat Penn State in year 1. I don't want hear about, but yeah, we beat Ilinois that year.
That same year RU lost to Penn State 28-0 and did not have a pulse. RU got throttled by Maryland too that same year.
On Maryland, RU should not be getting crushed by Maryland 2 years in a row. I don't want to hear about Taulia and talent. Lockley is an average coach. Maybe that says something about our coaching that we are getting throttled 2 years in a row by Maryland. And barely eeking out wins against Temple and a horrific Boston College in year 3 of the "rebuild." How many years and excuses do we need to see an iota of QB and WR development. 6, 8, 10? Why not 20 or 25 years because these things take time.
You know a lot of people on this site assume that every year we are going to win all of our OOC games and that simply has not been Greg's history. An unexpected loss to Temple or Virginia Tech this year or Akron or Virginia Tech in 2024 might hasten his departure.
He gets at least 5 years. The only way that he might get fired is if he goes 0-12 or 1-11 next year. The long term problem is that in the foreseeable future, the realistic ceiling for RU is 5, maybe 6 wins unless the coaching and player development markedly improve on offense.
No one is concerned that Nebraska and Colorado will probably end up with higher recruiting ranks with new coaches than us in 2023, his 4th year here, 11th out of 14 in the B1G above only Wisc, Purdue and Indiana.
Rankings never bothered me. I don't think much about them when they're higher or if they're lower. The portal has to be taken into account as well. I've given examples here many times of teams with lower recruit rankings that have been respectable or better. Find a way to win with what you have. We're a school that has to do more with less and that's just the way it is.
Unfortunately he won’t step down with with a compensation of $4 million per year. He will need to be fired and bought out ( partially w/ our new higher B1G payout ).
People are saying progress in Year 2. Didn’t happen in the second half of the season. Blown out in each of the last 4 losses. And we know how bad this season was. 4 wins or less next season and Greg will be a lame duck going into 2024.
With you 100%. I also see that Greg committed the program to Gavin. Not recruiting a QB in any year should be dismissal right then. So- either Gavin proves him right- which having a game changing QB will have us over 5 wins and we start to see it or Gavin does not become “it” and the offense sucks again. This is on Greg and why he needs to go if next year is not the year.
Colorado is an outlier that benefited from huge publicity and alumni who would fund significant NIL money. And when Schiano 2.0 effectively a 1st year coach (I don't count 2020) he was 9th in the B1G. And nobody who coaches Rutgers will break into the Top 5 unless there are monumental changes that involve more than the coach.
In the words of a former Giant Head Coach "he's pushed his chips to the middle of the table"
I will always be grateful to Coach Schiano for his passion and commitment to this program. Yet I think it's clear that this past season was a major step back. Tangible progress must be made this off-season and next season or I think Greg himself knows that there will be serious anxiety among Rutgers fans and donors.
Exactly this. Bielema came into Illinois which was in a similar state of disrepair and had a couple good wins in year 1 and has them more than respectable in year 2. I am tired of rebuilds take time mentality. With the portal you can turn the roster over in 1-2 years. Because of the portal this has more to do with coaching than talent.
Agree 100% on recruiting rankings.
Couldn't care less.
Don't know what they are currently or historically.
However, many do put a lot of stock into such things and lauded how quickly HC Schiano could instantly turn around recruiting.
Now with the rankings seemingly being on a downward trend(?), it will be interesting how many people come around and say "well actually they don't matter. 5 star Player X didn't work out for us. Remember random outlier 2 star Player Y who was good? See! We don't need high ranked recruits and recruiting rankings."
Disagree. There were reasons that have been discussed. The injuries to Noah and then Gavin were not foreseeable. But the lack of a quality back up is on Greg.
I'm going to hedge a bit here and say that Bielema's situation was more favorable. But still no excuses for all the blowouts this year. So, I guess I am hedging on my reply about to @RutgersSouthFL . I'll change my screen name to HedgeHog. I really do vacillate on my feelings about what to do here. I'm mister both sides!!
Just came across this. Some sustained respectability and success is what can help you climb up. You do more with less for a sustained amount of time and then you might get a little more eventually. I've mentioned in the past about WF being last or near last in the recruit rankings in the ACC. First top 50 class ever at 49. Clawson has been getting 7-8 wins most years since year 3 and 1 11 win out of the park season. The whole delayed mesh that they use was born out of necessity (mother of invention) just like the Air Raid was for Leach/Mumme many years ago.
Not sure which service is being used for the rankings. Again I don't really care about the rankings but if you do, you see you can improve on them with some sustained success. I think the portal factors into it is as well though. Like I've been saying, the top teams can't take everyone from the portal and the recruiting class. I'm not sure how you'd do it but some blended metric might give a better rank.
From the article:
Sonny Dykes continues to hit his first year at TCU out of the park. Capitalizing on the Frogs' undefeated regular season and the program's first College Football Playoff berth, TCU's current class (ranked No. 19) would be the best in program history.
Kansas State (No. 34) is on track to sign its highest-rated class since 2004.
Minnesota (No. 36) is in line to secure its best class since 2009.
-- Northwestern (No. 43) could ink its best class since 2001.
-- Wake Forest (No. 49) could sign the first top-50 class in program history.
Two-time defending Pac-12 champion Utah is on pace to sign the first top 25 class (No. 21) in program history.
-- Joey McGuire's first full class at Texas Tech (No. 25) could be the program's first in the top 25 since 2011.
Mike Elko, Duke (No. 50, up 11)
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