It's not mediocrity. I'd easily accept having Rutgers be a top 50 football team right now, which would still be sub-mediocre for a P5 team. 2022 Rutgers would lose to most of the G5 teams playing in bowls this year, and pretty much to all of the P5 ones.
Will GS be on the Hot Seat a year from now?
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It's not mediocrity. I'd easily accept having Rutgers be a top 50 football team right now, which would still be sub-mediocre for a P5 team. 2022 Rutgers would lose to most of the G5 teams playing in bowls this year, and pretty much to all of the P5 ones.
Regardless of who the qb was, it was pretty clear that the WRs that were on the team, in the health they had even coming into the season, were not going to cut it. The same is even more true in 2023 as of now, they need to make some significant additions at this spot in the portal.
You get paid to win, your schedule is your schedule. No excuses, it the Big 10 your schedule is always brutal. The Temple game scares the hell out of me.
I mean, this is overly simplistic.. if it turns out Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan St, Ohio St, Iowa, and Penn State are all top 15 teams or something next year then obviously you need to consider that context. But that's not what Al is doing here.. he's just making a shitload of excuses.
OK, but if Wisconsin, Iowa State, and Michigan State can improve that much, why can't we improve enough to be competitive with them? I know I keep harping on this, but blowout losses to Minnesota and Maryland show we need a *lot* of improvement.
In good news, Rutgers will finally no longer be obligated to pay Chris Ash as of March 1, 2023, so that's only just over 2 months away. Rutgers still owes Gleeson $1,050,000 for the 2023 season, ending on some unknown date, possibly February 28, 2024.
Any Schiano bump in ticket sales will certainly wither this offseason and will likely be totally gone next year if Rutgers doesn't do something to get the fans excited (like make a bowl game and/or be objectively much improved on the field in a way that seems to be building to something). If/once that happens, it costs more to retain Schiano than it does to replace him.
One has to think that there's still a path to success for Schiano at Rutgers, though that is narrowing a bit after this season and recruiting class. They're going to have to find a way to have better success in the portal and then on the field in 2023 or it's pretty much all over for this era.
I hate to admit it but I think you are correct. 5 years from now we will still be making excuse for why GS can’t get it done
You already know we will be served up to both USC and UCLA. With our luck both will be away games
If we did not have Sean Ryan on the field, it could have been really bad. He was a good get, but we needed and need a lot more guys like Sean Ryan.
Exactly. There will be no easing of our schedule. We are in the B1G to provide access to the NY market to the big boys in the conference, and that group just grew by two programs. We will always have a brutal B1G schedule.
Not really sure what you mean? How much other teams improve or get worse isn't really relevant to our progress. If all the teams on our schedule are good we will have a worse record than if all of the teams on our schedule are bad. This context should always be considered either way.
Yeah, we do.
If Greg (or any coach for that matter) can get RU to a consistent 7-5/8-4 team with 6-6 and 5-7 years mixed in 1/3 of the time and a 4-8 once every 8-10 years, that may be the ceiling in the B1G, especially with USC joining. Penn State was excellent this year, and they could not beat the tOSU or Michigan.
That is our reality. Just ask Indiana. 24 years of not having a winning regular season record until 2019. Two 8 win seasons since 1993. Big Ten member since 1953. Heck, they have been at it so long, Lee Corso was their coach there, and not a very good one. What makes people think RU, given their history, will turn into some perennial winner.
Or even Purdue (yes, in the West, but the divisions are supposedly going away)--how long did it take them to get to 8-4? Nine years after Hazell was hired. It took Brohm 5 years to get there. And he "only" went 8-5 this year.
Things are not always linear, though we’d like them to be. Wouldn’t be surprised to see us hovering from 4-8 to 6-6 over the next three years.
I’m saying that without a consistently functioning offense, we will not have a Winning record.
If this is the case, then what, specifically, will have changed over those three years to prevent us from doing the same for the NEXT three years?
He mismanaged the offense, but skillfully built the defense. Now our attention will turn to fixing his mistakes over the next three years.
We’re adding significantly more talent in offense, though the kids will need time to develop. Braithwaite in the slot is an instant impact type player. You’re will be the outside receiver, but will need to spend time in the weight room. This class brings in a significant amount of WR and OL talent. Last class brought in a significant amount of OL talent, our starting RB and our starting QB. We’re not where we want to be but we are making progress.
And if that is the case, it would not be acceptable. Hobbs would have to make a move. Schiano cannot use his favorite catch phrase excuses, we are young or still learning the culture, in the portal age. Because he has the ability to make the roster older and more experienced every year. The only metric that counts is winning.
We had the opportunity to add depth to the offense with experienced personnel but Schiano has so far whiffed on the OC hire. He does not have the ability to wait for the inexperienced recruits to develop. The new game is the portal and when you delay signing the most important recruit of the year, the offensive coordinator, you run the risk of being shut out of seriously upgrading your roster.
For us to win, we need to build the talent base on offense. This will take time due to the paucity of talent on that side of the ball. Without NIL support and a new football Fieldhouse, we will have to develop the 3* recruits we get. This will take time. We are making progress as we are adding significant talent on the offensive side of the ball.
What do you mean it would not be acceptable? What are you willing to do to help him achieve a better record?
Your leaving out the part where Maryland built the best football facility money can buy. This has helped them attract better players, namely the QB and the 5* WR, who didn’t play this year, but was a factor in previous years.
Big difference between 6-6 and 4-8. No way does he survive without earning a bowl by the play on the field in the next three years.
We are limited as to the caliber of portal recruit we can attract because there is no NIL support. So the portal kids we do get are filler at best. The roster will only be upgraded with the development of high school kids, who have higher ceilings.
What do you mean? I believe you are in finance, as was I. I view 4-8 and 6-6 seasons as failures or at a minimum sub par. What would you expect your clients or your boss to do if you strung together multiple subpar years?
have to be careful, lots of young and unsuccessful grads that don't understand what it means to have to produce or be shown the door
Because Greg schiano knows what it takes to build a winner and helped build a National Championship team at Miami, and was successful in his first stint here. Once we build the football Fieldhouse, we can talk about the records Schiano needs to achieve. For now, I don’t care about our record because we are building the program.
In case you are unaware, facilities do matter to a certain degree, but the relationship the coaching staff is able to foster with recruits trumps facilities every time. Fran Brown was able to recruit at Temple, look how many of his kids ended up in the pros and Temple has among the worst facilities in all of FBS football. Greg is a hero to someone like yourself, you can identify with his generation, he checks off all the boxes as to how you think a college head football should look and talk, but, unfortunately, he is not in the business of recruiting old white men.
You are chugging the juice Al. Very few kids in the portal are getting big paydays much less a payday. Kids are looking for a chance to improve visibility. There are tons of kids that performed at a lower level, or want to be back in the area, that would die for a chance to play in the B1G.
I have no problem developing kids. I would rather that be the way, but the recipe for success has changed.
stop
I get being pro something but you are, and have been, consistently delusional. Early on it was cute, in the way a parent looks at a kid trying to justify eating a cookie after brushing his teeth. As time went on it became 'roll the eyes and move past'. Now is just fking retarded.
get a grip
It’s all about the product. If I worked for Rutgers, I would quit, because I wouldn’t have the resources to achieve the expectations.
What you need to understand is that our value proposition isn’t as strong as our competitors. So the question you need to be asking, is what should we be doing to strengthen our value proposition?
Here are my suggestions:
1) Build the Football Fieldhouse
2) Increase NIL support
To achieve the results you want, you have to have the resources, otherwise, you have to adjust your expectations. This fanbase loves to run their mouth on the messageboard, but doesn’t want to pony up, and that’s what’s needed to improve the football teams performance. We need an alpha male to be WR1 and another to be TE1. This is what we’re missing.
Without increased support, this will be a slow build, because we’re relying on player development of the 3* recruits, which is going to take time.
You typed a lot of words to say nothing.
I didn’t know it was possible for someone to be so arrogant yet so clueless.
Oh, I see. I call BS on all of it.
Maybe we should make the entrance song for the game:
No, Locksley attracted better players. Hands down, he is a better recruiter than Greg. Not even close.
More excuses.
Chris Ash helped build a national championship team at Ohio State. How did that work out?
Success is in the eye of the beholder. What did the team do after 2006 in a watered down Big East. Not a heck of a lot, and never won the conference. Not impressive.
We are going to build the football Fieldhouse? I'll meet you out there with some 2X4s and a hammer and nails.
He attracted better players because he has a state of the art $250M Football Facility. We need one to compete.
Schiano’s first tenure lasted 11 years because he knew what he was doing. Ash’s tenure lasted 3 years because he didn’t. If people want to win sooner, they simply have to pony up. Otherwise this is a slow build.
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