If so...how much will one disastrous class hurt vs keeping flood. I actually really lie thus class. Not great but solid. Renw, Russo, Mack, Sneed, and the linebacker group (esp Battle) are all desperately needed. I have to admit this gives me pause.
Will our class really disintegrate if flood is canned?
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it'll probably disintegrate somewhat without a firing also (assuming the recruits we have, have better commitable offers). A losing season with no bowl generally has that effect...
Keep in mind that the only reason Flood has the job was to keep together Greg's class before he left. There is no guarantee the commits stay anyway. Let's be entirely honest...if you are committed to this class, and have half a brain, do you seriously think Kyle Flood is going to be the coach at Rutgers in 2017? If Flood is the reason that they are coming here, they are going to be seriously disappointed when he gets fired after next season, which is his best case scenario. No Carroo next year...Laviano will still be here...God help us
Who cares. So what does that mean you can never have a coaching turnover? Nonsense.
I think we learned our lesson about keeping a coach for the sake of a class. That's why TP (who has the worst 2 hires in Rutgers history) hired flood. To keep the class together. Well that class is true seniors now. How's that working out?
I think we learned our lesson about keeping a coach for the sake of a class. That's why TP (who has the worst 2 hires in Rutgers history) hired flood. To keep the class together. Well that class is true seniors now. How's that working out?
Ummmmmm. A new Coach will come in and finally be able to recruit some ( just some) of the Top NJ Recruits.
If it does, it does. -With luck, some of the kids will stick, but that's up to them.
Hopefully we learned our lesson regarding hiring a coach simply to preserve a recruiting class.
Hopefully we learned our lesson regarding hiring a coach simply to preserve a recruiting class.
this is not a great class so fire the bum. heck, even if he stays we will lose some of this class so lets drop the hammer and save the program.
I say this respectfully, but a lot of those kids don't exactly have better offers to jump to. We may lose a few but it won't be this max exodus people say it will be. If anything, a new coach might come in and agree to a mutual splitting of ways with some recruits.
We worried about a class ranked 61 and there are 65 P5 programs.
Man we have set our sights low.
Well we do need players. And it's the 43rd ranked class. It's really not that bad. Solid three stars up and down.
Agree . But we need someone who can NJ talent home. It is obvious Flood has been an epic failure in landing Top 10 NJ Recruit. Zero for Forty over the last 4 years in Top 10 New Jersey Recruits. Heck, even Terry Shea did better with NJ recruits.
Who cares? Its ranking was never great, has dropped, and will slide more before signing day. Bet on it. That being said we WILL NOT "lose the class," however, as happens at most schools, we will lose kids.
Rivals -43rd
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Rivals -43rd
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This class will drop as more teams continue to fill up, for the most part we're the best offer most of these kids have so i'll get nervous if bigger programs start sniffing around
It doesn't matter. Flood needs to go period. Let the new coach worry about the recruiting class. That's his job.
Interesting all of a sudden a bunch of three star recruits (plus one 4 star) with multiple offer are no good? let's not rationalize this there will be disruption when a change is made. Much depends on the timing and who comes in when, and what their reputation and background is. A change needs to be made, you manage it and the timing as best you can, but in the end a bunch of circumstances will dictate what happens and there will be turmoil and disruption.
Interesting all of a sudden a bunch of three star recruits (plus one 4 star) with multiple offer are no good? let's not rationalize this there will be disruption when a change is made. Much depends on the timing and who comes in when, and what their reputation and background is. A change needs to be made, you manage it and the timing as best you can, but in the end a bunch of circumstances will dictate what happens and there will be turmoil and disruption.
so what, and some will stay. Besides a few top recruits overall its very bland. I am more concerned with the future than saving one class
Hard to believe some people have even a small thought that keeping Flood might make sense. SMH.
It's solid if not spectacular...how many committed to the school...how many openings left at other schools.
Retaining a recruiting class is a bad premise for retaining a coach. It's the exact premise that got us in this mess. When Coach Flood was hired, there was no other serious program that would have hired him as their head man. He was not a distinguished and up-and-coming assistant. Other ADs just shake their head at Rutgers Athletics -- heck we even hired two ADs who didn't have AD credentials/backgrounds. You just don't become an AD overnight.
A lot of these kids are committing to the school, and also the player friendships they already forged.
Many of these kids committed because they want to play in NJ... either because home state or to be closer to family.
A lot of these kids committed because of McDaniels, who hypothetically could be retained, because he does have a bright future ahead as a young guy.
Lastly, a bunch don't have other good offers. Playing in B1G with great academics in nyc job market is still going to pull kids.
A dynamic recruiter could seal most of them, and hopefully flip even more. As just an example, I wouldn't be shocked if a guy like Schiano could lead this to top 30 ranked class. Lot of talent in NJ this year.
Many of these kids committed because they want to play in NJ... either because home state or to be closer to family.
A lot of these kids committed because of McDaniels, who hypothetically could be retained, because he does have a bright future ahead as a young guy.
Lastly, a bunch don't have other good offers. Playing in B1G with great academics in nyc job market is still going to pull kids.
A dynamic recruiter could seal most of them, and hopefully flip even more. As just an example, I wouldn't be shocked if a guy like Schiano could lead this to top 30 ranked class. Lot of talent in NJ this year.
Although a factor, the current recruiting class (which has some really good kids in it) is not the key factor in the coaching situation. There is a recruiting class every year. If we hire somebody dynamic early on, we'll be in fine shape.
The key factor is what can we get with what we can afford. How much better off might we be in a year or two if more money is there? And don't just think HC. We have two kids as coordinators right now because we can't afford more.
Flood hurt himself severely with his behaviour this year and that's a shame. If he had been running a completely above board operation, and some of the players hadn't been idiots, he'd probably be OK even with a bad season. But that is past.
The problem of course, is that it's a cat and mouse game: We can get the guy if we can get the money if we can get the guy.
What will happen? It's Rutgers so always hard to know. I think JH is a plus and Barchi, not so much (which is not a statement on his being president, just that he's not a gung-ho sports guy). My guess is that something will occur that will have us all wasting copious amounts of time on this board from January through to September.
John O could be the big winner!
The key factor is what can we get with what we can afford. How much better off might we be in a year or two if more money is there? And don't just think HC. We have two kids as coordinators right now because we can't afford more.
Flood hurt himself severely with his behaviour this year and that's a shame. If he had been running a completely above board operation, and some of the players hadn't been idiots, he'd probably be OK even with a bad season. But that is past.
The problem of course, is that it's a cat and mouse game: We can get the guy if we can get the money if we can get the guy.
What will happen? It's Rutgers so always hard to know. I think JH is a plus and Barchi, not so much (which is not a statement on his being president, just that he's not a gung-ho sports guy). My guess is that something will occur that will have us all wasting copious amounts of time on this board from January through to September.
John O could be the big winner!
There are no more than 5 LEGIT B10 quality players in this class.
Of the rest, some might be hidden gems and other's will never sniff the 2 deep.
Second, this is Fludd we're talking about. The odds that all of the kids currently committed actually enroll here are less than my chances of putting this IPad down cause Kate Upton is ringing my doorbell in her Victoria's Secret Angel wings.
Of the rest, some might be hidden gems and other's will never sniff the 2 deep.
Second, this is Fludd we're talking about. The odds that all of the kids currently committed actually enroll here are less than my chances of putting this IPad down cause Kate Upton is ringing my doorbell in her Victoria's Secret Angel wings.
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I am still waiting for the DreamTeam to commit like we were promised
You otta look at the entire commit list. Bottom line, once again, a serious lack of P5 offers (and no bs excuses as to "why" please). Been saying it for 3 years now and you're seeing it on the field as we are getting worse, due to a serious lack of quality depth, right now.
We would probably more compettive with
Magic, Larry, MJ, Ewing and Stockton than the team we run out there now.
And in his current state, Chuck Daly could still out coach Fludd
The year we lost all the recruits supposely because Flood might be gone was BS. I have tracked recruiting for so many teams for years and have never saw the defection that Rutgers had. Numerous teams that lost their coach never lost that many recruits. Teams that had terrible seasons never lost the recruits like us. I suspect they were told to give a verbal but they can change their mind without any problems or the recruits knew something that was never mentioned on the board.
The definition has changed. It began with it alluding to all the top 15!sh NJ kids who were ABSOLUTELY staying home, however, was soon cganged to just reflect "all those committing to this class."
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