soon they'll have them as prizes in slot machines...you can win an N95 mask, a surgical mask, goggles, gloves, or...nothing.
COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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Can’t remember if already posted, but good trial results for an antiviral
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86413
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86413
i know the current focus is on hospitalizations and deaths, but it seems like there are a lot of potentially long-lasting detrimental effects on recovered patients. anectodotally, my cousin has been out of the hospital for weeks and he's still finding it hard to walk a mile at a slow pace. so, while herd immunity sounds great, there may be a much longer term, more expensive impact to patient health, and thus, the nation if we just let the virus run it's course.
That article is filled with misinformation, especially the claim at the end that Sweden would likely reach herd immunity within a month. That's simply a fantasy, given that the only data on prevalence from a few weeks ago is that Stockholm had ~11% infected, based on blood donor antibody testing. And the reports that 1/3 had been infected were retracted, as per the article below.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidn...ontroversial-coronavirus-report/#2cf14ff74349
Realistically, given that Stockholm is much more densely populated than the rest of Sweden, it's likely that the overall infection rate is around 2-4%, so they have a long, long way to go to reach herd immunity (50-80% depending on the true transmission rate, which is still somewhat uncertain). Also, with regard to cases and deaths per capita, Sweden is doing horribly worse than its similarly situated neighbors (who have similar overall density), as per my post from a few weeks ago, below, and it's even gotten worse since then with Sweden now having 7-9X the per capita death rates as Norway and Finland. And at 361 deaths/1MM, they're not far behind the worst cases of Italy-Spain-UK-France, which have in the 420-580 range.
There have been no documented cases of "reinfection" that I know of. The ones that were reported in South Korea were found to be due to false positive PCR testing in patients from viral fragments, not active infections. If you know of documented cases of reinfection that would be huge news.
Think @wisr01 and @rutgersguy1 answered your question - so far mutations have been slow and unimportant so far for CV2...
What you want specific names? I just told you, uncle has tested twice for it. Friend who died got infected and tested positive, got better, fever went away, even talked about donating plasma, then got infected again and died.
I very much apologize if this has been posted. It was shared by, of all people (although she's a scientist), Lin-Manuel Miranda's wife, Vanessa Nadal. You can go to her Twitter feed to see any comments on it. @VAMNit
https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them
And a 2nd one she posted that gets to things at the molecular level.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01315-7
https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them
And a 2nd one she posted that gets to things at the molecular level.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01315-7
The NE US states are all hiring armies of tracers, since they're taking a regional approach, as previously announced. Mike Bloomberg is leading (and funding) the effort in NY and I assume the approach is being shared with those other states (NY, NJ, DE, PA, CT, RI, MA); I know NJ is also hiring a bunch of tracers too. The CDC has published guidance on how to do tracing, but the Federal Government's approach, so far, has been to leave work like this to the states.
http://longisland.news12.com/story/...berg-detail-new-yorks-contact-tracing-efforts
https://www.phillyvoice.com/coronavirus-new-jersey-covid-19-contact-tracing-testing-phil-murphy/
I don't want anything, but if this is true and can be documented, it's huge news and would need to be shared with the medical community. As in South Korea and other similar examples like this, it's also possible there are testing issues involved.
Being reinfected is fake news. If you really do have information confirming people being reinfected, I suggest you contact the appropriate people because the entire world is waiting for that information.
All I know is that there is a lot we don't know about this virus. Anecdotal data of people getting sick, getting better and then getting sick again are plenty. Just talk to any doctor or nurse on the front lines. Now could it be that they simply had a relapse? Dunno. But is a two month gap considered a relapse?
This is why I asked the question to the experts in my previous post regarding the cold virus.
Most for now think it’s a problem with the test vs such quick reinfection or reactivation. They think the amount could be fragments or that went down low enough to not be detected symptoms go away but then had a resurgence and cause issues again. It can linger in the digestive tract/fecal matter longer up to a month or so even when swabs from the respiratory tract are coming back negative.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-are-some-people-testing-positive-for-covid-19-again
Same was confirmed in Krammer's paper evaluating antibodies in plasma donors, where viral fragments remained in recovered patients for up to 28 days (but they don't think these were active viruses). Discussed at length in the post below...
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...social-distancing.191275/page-97#post-4543546
Per worldometers, the Diamond Princess still has 48 active cases plus another 4 still in serious/critical condition. Bad data?
I agree. That's why I am wondering if it is possible for the virus to linger in our system but then reactivates when our immune system weakens. I am not sure it's a black and white scenario of you either do or don't have it. But more like having it but our t-cells, NK cells, et al keeping it in check. This constant battle going on between our immune system and the virus is in play, just like the cold virus, which is a relative of cov2. In essence, testing results depends on who's winning.
Most of the documented problems with testing is for false negatives. Testing positive twice doesn't jive with that. Also, people who get better aren't exactly being tested to confirm negative. So, kinda hard to look for that positive, negative, positive documented proof you are looking for. However, people who got sick, got better, then got sick again are plenty - with considerable time lapse in between. Again talk to front line nurses and doctors (I have, and actually constantly do) and they'll confirm this "anecdotal" information.
Dividers between equipment in Hong Kong...assume you'll see that in gyms here too. Still seem kinda close even with the dividers.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/15/photo-how-hong-kong-gym-reopened-with-safety-measures.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/15/photo-how-hong-kong-gym-reopened-with-safety-measures.html
Define reinfection. So someone who got sick, got better and then gets sick again isn't reinfection? Relapse then? But how long - the longest that I am aware of is 2 months in between.
And yet none of the hospitalization numbers are available on the Florida dashboard that your link is identifying as "Best data source". Which begs the question of where they're getting the numbers.
Also, for everyone celebrating Florida's great accomplishment, I took the liberty of ingesting their day-to-day inpatient census numbers from your link and produced this graph, which frankly fails to suggest that they're #winning.
Looking at it, I am not sure where their current hospital count is coming from, but that seems to be what one would need, and especially compared with capacity, to see how they are doing. Even more important would be to have information on where those hospitalizations are occurring. There are some areas of Florida where there are more strict measures in effect than in others.
Based on your graph, it looks to me like the hospitalization numbers for the state overall (i.e., new daily hospitalizations) have been steady; they aren't increasing or decreasing in general. If their system has sufficient capacity to sustain that, then there seems to be a valid argument that they can at least wait and see how the present circumstances play out.
Just stop. What you are saying is ridiculous. As RU numbers said if what you are saying happened you would be on channel 7 news tonight and that information would literally change the world. So please don’t post it in an RU board. Call someone.
Ridiculous? I was the first person here who mentioned remdesivir, moderna's mrna vaccine and I vallidated guru7's post regarding leronlimab, and now it's getting press and traction.
You think I'm just making up crap regarding people got sick a second time? F U MAN.
Your theory could very well be correct (a lot we don't know about the virus), but what PROOF do you have that these people were reinfected? Saying someone got sick, felt better, got sick again with no context doesn't prove reinfection.
I 100% do. I was kidding about going to the news. If what you are suggesting actually happened the doctors that treat the people you mentioned would have already reported it and it would be headline news. I not saying bad things didn’t happen to the people you know. What I am saying is they did not have the virus, been cleared of it and then got it again. That did not happen.
Yes, you've added a lot of value to this thread. I think Brad (and myself and others) is just worrying about people getting the wrong idea and while I believe you are relaying what you've heard, I have serious doubts that your sources know the details well enough to say there is actual reinfection going on, where the virus truly disappeared and antibodies were present and then the virus was confirmed to reinfect someone.
The South Korea and other cases where they thought it was reinfection were simply lab artifacts due to false positives from the viral PCR test not being able to distinguish inactive nucleic acid fragments from the previous viral infection from actual live viruses (post linked below on this). This was similar to the observation I posted earlier from the Krammer paper.
It is quite possible that the virus can remain an active infection for over a month, which is more likely the case here and there could've been a false negative test somewhere in there too, as that can also be an issue with the PCR test as we've heard a lot more about, especially for people early in their infections, when viral titers can be below the detection limit of the usual PCR test - which was revealed to be a major problem with the fast Abbott tests the other day. Reinfection is theoretically possible in rare cases for those who don't develop enough antibodies, but it hasn't been documented yet.
Bottom line is the PCR test simply isn't very good. We need far better viral tests, probably antigen tests, that can be done instantly in very high sensitivity (so no false negatives) - only with such tests will we ever likely have large crowds for public events again (at least until we have a vaccine or a great cure), as instant testing (or at least day of testing) could at least ensure nobody with an active infection is attending.
I would recommend reading the entire thread chain as it includes this:
Looking forward to the results. Note that May 6 was last patient in, not last patient out, so it could be another week or so before all patients complete the study.
In edit, it looks like they've already submitted a manuscript.
@RU2055 - story on the "prolonged tail" of suffering/symptoms many have had. Sounds horrible and it's not rare. Another reason why people who dismiss this saying, most people recover quickly, are simply not being accurate.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...fH4Y-yFHibRo7LX1PFTeqLjcdVPkPmChkdqorETk9z7bc
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...fH4Y-yFHibRo7LX1PFTeqLjcdVPkPmChkdqorETk9z7bc
I'm currently not working due to low patient volume as an outpatient physical therapist, but in speaking with my coworker earlier this week, we are starting to see in the outpatient setting, a few previously COVID+ people who have been discharged from either short term inpatient rehab or an acute care hospital for rehab for extreme deconditioning. We have to do a lot of documentation with vitals, more than the traditional pulmonary rehab/general deconditioning clients.
Yes both are true. The study is 14 days so the May 6th entrants will be followed until the 20th. They had enough data to write the report on the 6th and it was submitted on the 9th for review.
Never said it was anything other than untested, especially in early treatment. However I leave you this...
Twitter is now blocking this website
https://www.covid-19research.ca/home
That is the site for a HCQ early treatment study in Canada affiliated with Boulware. Blocking a clinical trial home page for enrollment using HCQ? I find it disgusting. I guess a HCQ clinical trial for early use does not align with the narrative.
This section is for those who cannot comprehend simple language.
Try tweeting https://www.covid-19research.ca/home
You get this message and cannot link that site in a tweet.
Thank God for the ignore feature.
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