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not even going that far

but here is one for you that did effect me personally...had to limit number of people at funeral but you can have mass memorials across the country, is it justified because a cop murdered a black man but yet all the other lives lost in the past few months, some of them only had a handful of people to mourn them, we were lucky that we were able to have pretty much most family and small group of friends at my moms funeral but some others didnt.

how can they justify this...well they can because it fits their needs.

people need to open their eyes and question things, it doesnt mean you calling coronavirus a hoax but just realize that they are flying by their seat of their pants and trying to control and instill fear in you when it suits them

We didn't even have a service for my mom, who died in mid-April, which sucks, but we were all in complete agreement that that was, by far, the safest thing to do and it's also what she requested - the last thing she wanted was for anyone to get sick just to come to a funeral (we did a zoom gathering with about 25 people which was nice). At least most (nowhere near all, though, but way more than we saw the "liberty" protesters wearing) of the protesters I've seen are wearing masks, especially in the smaller towns/cities, and there have been many reminders that they should wear masks when they can't maintain social distancing. I'd prefer not seeing any public crowds due to the increased infection risks, however. I also have no clue what your issue with "fear" is - people should be afraid of engaging in risky behaviors that are much more likely to kill them or their neighbors - to me it's simply education about the potentially deadly risks.
 
Do we know the bio chemical process as to how the virus causes people to become sick?
 
You really have no idea what this thread is about do you? It was started to try to have a largely scientific, fact-based discussion of the coronavirus for people on the football board, while keeping politics to a minimum (having no politics in a thread on a pandemic involving very important political decisions wasn't realistic, but I kept 95% of my political posts on the CE board,as did others presumably), in an attempt to keep the thread from devolving into a typical CE-style emotional shouting match filled with namecalling, which would have resulted in it being moved to that board, where it would have died, like happened to almost all of the other COVID threads.

Early on the usual suspects tried to pollute this thread with that nonsense to get it moved to the CE board and it was even temporarily locked here, but I appealed to Richie to unlock it and he did and it remained a pretty useful, informative thread for longer than I thought it would. However, with the demise of the CE board, I imagine this thread might spiral downward into petty squabbling (from people on both sides of the aisle) and be locked or worse and that would be disappointing. I hope that doesn't happen and would ask you to consider posting constructively in this thread, as you often bring good insights and info. Thanks.

I've already said my piece on the CE board - it was a mess, but it was our mess, and I'm sad to see it go, as I have a strong libertarian streak where I think people ought to be able to say what they think and dislike strong moderation/censorship. However, I completely understand the business decision to do so as it had gotten pretty bad.
I appreciate all the info you have provided but isn’t it overdue to update the thread title like you do for weather threads? Title is very outdated at this point.
 
I appreciate all the info you have provided but isn’t it overdue to update the thread title like you do for weather threads? Title is very outdated at this point.

Could be - I just figured this wasn't a constantly changing event, like a snowstorm where a title change makes more sense, so updating it didn't seem that important. It's really just a general COVID thread now...
 
I don't think it was just people on the right criticizing her. Many people wanted to do home improvement projects since they were being told by our politicians they had to stay home. I didn't hear of any other state allowing a store to be open but then restricting what part of the store could be patronized and this goes back to my earlier comments about what science says rules like this would help "flatten the curve".

During this entire event, the only place I've spent money is Shop Rite, Lowes Home Improvement and liquor stores until the restaurants started opening up for takeout. I think Murphy went a little overboard with some of his rules but even he didn't try to limit what I could buy at Lowes.
It would limit the # of people in Lowes.

Painting your home is not essential.

The science and the logic both add up.

Now imo they should have opened things up much earlier and just made masks mandatory. In some stores where they typically get much less traffic then in say a home depot, most small businesses for example, they would have been much less of a transmission point, so I think there are science based arguments for a less restrictive closing, but there are science based arguments for no paint at Lowes or Walmart vs Kohl's.
 
Florida is definitely seeing an strong uptick in new cases, this week looks like it will be their highest ever.

Now their testing is surely much higher then earlier in the pandemic but their dashboard is 2 weeks behind in reporting on this.

Deaths do continue to remain pretty flat to this point(can't judge from their dashboard on this as they are very slow to assign deaths to dates thus giving the indication of an ever trending downward slope), and still significantly less then NJ's, especially per capita.
 
Could be - I just figured this wasn't a constantly changing event, like a snowstorm where a title change makes more sense, so updating it didn't seem that important. It's really just a general COVID thread now...
It’s your thread so I will butt out now but it’s very misleading at this point.
 
Texas also trending upwards, in cases, % positive rate, and hospitilizations.

After being below 6% positive rate since May 5th, with a good chunk of those days below 5%, they have now strung together 4 straight days above 6%.

Like Florida though, the #'s in terms of deaths are pretty flat perhaps trending downward and to this point remain significantly less then NJ's.
 
There were definitely people at their wit's end because of the shut down, and these recent large gatherings of people in these protests/riots will certainly strengthen the resolve of those who say these restrictions need to end.
And they should immediately. Passed the soccer fields just west of Conduit Ave . on the Belt Parkway 6:30 pm tonite... Probably 1500 people standing , sitting and lying down next to one another. Meanwhile 3 separate soccer games where being played by the “ rug rat “ generation . So much for protecting each other . We are still not getting the truth from anyone. Can’t listen anymore and most shouldn’t . Wear a mask but hit the streets, go back to work... From the perspective of many others. Virus is becoming less potent.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing what was in between the ......'s but on it's face it looks dumb.

What it said in the blanks was that racism is a health problem to black community so protesting needs to be done and is just as important.as maintaing social distancing.

What they ment to say was the uptick in dead grandmothers we will see in a few weeks is the cost but protesting and is worth it.
 
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I don't know about misleading but definitely dated.
Explosive US/NY/NJ growth is definitely misleading. Cases in NJ and NY are way down. My daughters hospital is down to less than 8 cases and they were one of the early hot spots. They actually need non Covid patients now since the hospital is practically empty. My daughter is NICU so they are normal.
 
Explosive US/NY/NJ growth is definitely misleading. Cases in NJ and NY are way down. My daughters hospital is down to less than 8 cases and they were one of the early hot spots. They actually need non Covid patients now since the hospital is practically empty. My daughter is NICU so they are normal.
I posted on this board before in another thread so sorry if this a repeat but a few weeks ago I had what turned to be a hernia issue. I was sent from urgent care to the emergency ward at Pennsylvania Hospital. Walked into an completely empty room. Was in and out in about an hour mostly to get blood tests results, I was seen right away. The nurse and ER doctor said the entire hospital was barely at 50% capacity.
 
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Explosive US/NY/NJ growth is definitely misleading. Cases in NJ and NY are way down. My daughters hospital is down to less than 8 cases and they were one of the early hot spots. They actually need non Covid patients now since the hospital is practically empty. My daughter is NICU so they are normal.
My wife is the same working in NICU.
Hospitals need more normal business and communities need hospitals. But their business has been restricted for too long.
 
Thanks for this thread on the RU football board. I don’t hear enough about the virus everywhere else I go. Please also start a thread on racial injustice.
I apologize, the mods put my thread where it belongs, I just wanted to report something positive about this mess.
Pts w/ corona are getting convalescent plasma, tocilizumab and if approved by the CMO, remdesivir, since it is in very short supply. We strenuously avoid intubation unless absolutely necessary since survival rates are low after intubation. We try Bipap and permissive hypoxia first as long as possible. We also use more IV steroids whereas we were told not to use them at all in the beginning. They help with the cytokine storms and improve rates of survival. I will NOT get into what does not work because that will open up a can of political worms. I hope I have not offended anyone. I am going to chicken out in telling you which hospital, we get a lot of STFU emails from the administration about this pandemic.
 
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Explosive US/NY/NJ growth is definitely misleading. Cases in NJ and NY are way down. My daughters hospital is down to less than 8 cases and they were one of the early hot spots. They actually need non Covid patients now since the hospital is practically empty. My daughter is NICU so they are normal.

Updated it - the debate in my head was whether to just keep the same name for consistency's sake or not. Hope folks like the new title. For my own info, the old title was "COVID-19: explosive US/NY/NJ growth; still testing/supplies issues; need more social distancing."
 
I apologize, the mods put my thread where it belongs, I just wanted to report something positive about this mess.
Pts w/ corona are getting convalescent plasma, tocilizumab and if approved by the CMO, remdesivir, since it is in very short supply. We strenuously avoid intubation unless absolutely necessary since survival rates are low after intubation. We try Bipap and permissive hypoxia first as long as possible. We also use more IV steroids whereas we were told not to use them at all in the beginning. They help with the cytokine storms and improve rates of survival. I will NOT get into what does not work because that will open up a can of political worms. I hope I have not offended anyone. I am going to chicken out in telling you which hospital, we get a lot of STFU emails from the administration about this pandemic.
Thanks for your report. It's always good to hear from the medical professionals since you never know if you're getting reliable information from "official" sources.

I wonder if you're seeing better results now that you've been treating patients for a few months, having better success keeping people from deteriorating to the point of needing a ventilator? I read about all the changes to treatment protocols (such as permissive hypoxemia, proning, more liberal use of steroids, vitamin C, etc) and some have claimed great success, is that what you are seeing?

I wish you'd reconsider your position on talking about what doesn't work, I'm assuming HCQ is the big one, I've seen doctors on twitter talking about no longer using it whereas early on they were giving it to many hospitalized patients.

Disappointing to hear that hospital admins are trying to restrict information flow, though not really surprising.
 
BTW... might be time for people to go get tested.. I went to my county's covid website, made an appointment over the web. It is county by county.. I checked 2 counties and both required some form of ID (like a DL, that shows you are a resident).

They asked if I had symptoms.. I have one.. a sporadic cough.. a productive cough which is unusual for me. Usually, my occasional cough is of a dry-itchy-tickle kind of thing. I take BP regularly and have a pulseox fingertip gadget.. obtained just for this crisis.. and it took a long time coming.. so I am fairly confident I do not have it... but maybe I did?

here's the middlesex county site
 
I apologize, the mods put my thread where it belongs, I just wanted to report something positive about this mess.
Pts w/ corona are getting convalescent plasma, tocilizumab and if approved by the CMO, remdesivir, since it is in very short supply. We strenuously avoid intubation unless absolutely necessary since survival rates are low after intubation. We try Bipap and permissive hypoxia first as long as possible. We also use more IV steroids whereas we were told not to use them at all in the beginning. They help with the cytokine storms and improve rates of survival. I will NOT get into what does not work because that will open up a can of political worms. I hope I have not offended anyone.

Thanks for posting and for your dedicated service on the front lines of this pandemic. Any more detailed insights on convalescent plasma? Been incredibly excited about it since they announced the program back in March (lots of posts in this thread). It should just work, like it has for other infectious diseases, but COVID has been a tough nut to crack. Tons of very positive anecdotal stories and observational studies, but still waiting for controlled/randomized trials.

Having said that, two tantalizing nuggets from two of the studies. In the Mt. Sinai matched control retrospective study, mortality was reduced in non-intubated patients with a hazard ratio (mortality reduction) of 81% (range of 28-95%, though, since the sample size was small); see below. There was no mortality benefit in intubated patients (there had been in a few much smaller observational studies).

Overall, we observed improved survival for the plasma group (log187 rank test: p=0.039) (Figure 2). In a covariates-adjusted Cox model, convalescent plasma 188 transfusion was significantly associated with improved survival in non-intubated patients (hazard 189 ratios: 0.19 (95% CI: 0.05 ~0.72); p=0.015), but not in intubated patients (1.24 (0.33~4.67).

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.20.20102236v1.full.pdf


The second nugget was that in the 5000 person retrospective analysis from the ongoing Mayo Clinic study they shared some data on 7-day mortality and to me the most striking data was that of the 3,316 patients admitted to the ICU, 456 mortalities were observed (16.7% after adjustments) vs. the typical mortality rate for ICU patients of 57% - that's a 71% reduction in morality rate for COVID patients in the ICU, but they didn't really "claim" that in the study, since it wasn't built into the design, presumably.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.12.20099879v1.full.pdf

Even a 20-30% mortality reduction, if demonstrated in controlled trials, would be big, while obviously a 60+% mortality reduction would be a gamechanger. I actually communicated with the Mayo Clinic study lead and his comment was that they're "optimistic" and "working ferverishly" on putting together a paper with more definitive outcomes data for the ongoing trial that's now at 20,000 patients infused.
 
Texas also trending upwards, in cases, % positive rate, and hospitilizations.

After being below 6% positive rate since May 5th, with a good chunk of those days below 5%, they have now strung together 4 straight days above 6%.

Like Florida though, the #'s in terms of deaths are pretty flat perhaps trending downward and to this point remain significantly less then NJ's.

Yeah Texas seems to be trending the wrong way, they need to be careful.
 
Thanks for your report. It's always good to hear from the medical professionals since you never know if you're getting reliable information from "official" sources.

I wonder if you're seeing better results now that you've been treating patients for a few months, having better success keeping people from deteriorating to the point of needing a ventilator? I read about all the changes to treatment protocols (such as permissive hypoxemia, proning, more liberal use of steroids, vitamin C, etc) and some have claimed great success, is that what you are seeing?

I wish you'd reconsider your position on talking about what doesn't work, I'm assuming HCQ is the big one, I've seen doctors on twitter talking about no longer using it whereas early on they were giving it to many hospitalized patients.

Disappointing to hear that hospital admins are trying to restrict information flow, though not really surprising.

You hit the nail right on its head, and we are using better treatments, and avoiding failed treatments(intubations and politicians, cough) and as RU numbers said, convalescent plasma seems to be working, but that took time to get of course. A Covid patient became very hypoxic, in the past we would have intubated him-like most regular pts ( thereby assuring his death) but instead we proned him, gave him a shot of IV steroids, zinc, Vitamin C,D , plasma , put him on hi-flow oxygen via nasal canulla, below his vent-mask ,allowed some slight hypoxia and he survived.
 
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No surprise at all. Time to turn the page on this awful chapter in medical history. The Lancet study was a horrible scientific mess, in retrospect, but as I've said multiple times, it wasn't really needed to conclude that HCQ was ineffective for hospitalized patients and this randomized, standard-of-care-controlled study should put an end to the arguing, although after the Lancet mess, let's make sure there's nothing odd about the study, which is far less likely, since randomized, controlled blinded studies are far harder to screw up, especially since they use independent data monitoring boards.

We never ever should have been treating 60-80% of hospitalized COVID patients with a completely unproven treatment that wasn't showing efficacy in most observational studies and it's one more reason politicians shouldn't be recommending medical treatments. Having said that, however, it would've been nice to have results from a more definitive trial like this 6 weeks ago - it's also disappointing that we had to wait for a UK study for this info, when we have some of the best clinical research people in the world here in the US.

https://www.recoverytrial.net/news/...oquine-in-hospitalised-patients-with-covid-19

‘We have concluded that there is no beneficial effect of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalised with COVID-19. We have therefore decided to stop enrolling participants to the hydroxychloroquine arm of the RECOVERY Trial with immediate effect. We are now releasing the preliminary results as they have important implications for patient care and public health.

‘A total of 1542 patients were randomised to hydroxychloroquine and compared with 3132 patients randomised to usual care alone. There was no significant difference in the primary endpoint of 28-day mortality (25.7% hydroxychloroquine vs. 23.5% usual care; hazard ratio 1.11 [95% confidence interval 0.98-1.26]; p=0.10). There was also no evidence of beneficial effects on hospital stay duration or other outcomes.

‘These data convincingly rule out any meaningful mortality benefit of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalised with COVID-19. Full results will be made available as soon as possible.

Peter Horby, Professor of Emerging Infectious Diseases and Global Health in the Nuffield Department of Medicine, University of Oxford, and Chief Investigator for the trial, said:

‘Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have received a lot of attention and have been used very widely to treat COVID patients despite the absence of any good evidence. The RECOVERY Trial has shown that hydroxychloroquine is not an effective treatment in patients hospitalised with COVID-19. Although it is disappointing that this treatment has been shown to be ineffective, it does allow us to focus care and research on more promising drugs.’

Martin Landray, Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology at the Nuffield Department of Population Health, University of Oxford, and Deputy Chief Investigator, said ‘There has been huge speculation and uncertainty about the role of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19, but an absence of reliable information from large randomised trials. Today’s preliminary results from the RECOVERY Trial are quite clear – hydroxychloroquine does not reduce the risk of death among hospitalised patients with this new disease. This result should change medical practice worldwide and demonstrates the importance of large, randomised trials to inform decisions about both the efficacy and the safety of treatments.’

You hit the nail right on its head, and we are using better treatments, and avoiding failed treatments(intubations and politicians, cough) and as RU numbers said, convalescent plasma seems to be working, but that took time to get of course. A Covid patient became very hypoxic, in the past we would have intubated him-like most regular pts ( thereby assuring his death) but instead we proned him, gave him a shot of IV steroids, zinc, Vitamin C,D , plasma , put him on hi-flow oxygen via nasal canulla, below his vent-mask ,allowed some slight hypoxia and he survived.

Great to hear about plasma from someone seeing it in use. And as per my post above, which I doubt you've seen (seems like you're new to this thread - and a welcome addition), anyone still prescribing HCQ to hospitalized COVID patients, after the Recovery trial results (and even before then, IMO), really needs to sit down and do some reading...
 
Not good, we were hoping Covid does not do well in heat like the flu
I've always thought there would be minor seasonality (excerpt from a post in March below; post linked is kind of interesting to me at least, lol) with, for the reasons below, but not major seasonality for one major reason: it's new to the planet and has somewhere between 54-82% of the population to infect, even if not all get symptoms (assuming no pre-existing immunity, which may not be the case if you've heard about the T-cell cross-reactivity some researchers have seen in unexposed patients), depending on the R0 transmission rate, whereas the flu typically only produces symptoms in about 10% of the population and at the end of the season most vulnerable people have gotten it as opposed to now, with CV2, huge numbers of vulnerable targets still remain.

"One more thing. We also don't know yet if this will be seasonal, like the flu and die down in spring - one would think it should be, given virus sensitivity to heat/UV and increased humidity reducing transmission rates (more effective mucus and less "travel"/resuspension in air of viruses when it's humid) and less people being confined from the cold. However, SARS petered out before spring and MERS started in September in Saudi Arabia, so we don't know the seasonal behavior of those coronaviruses. In addition, it's becoming more likely that this virus will be around for awhile."

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...rventions-and-more.191275/page-7#post-4442323
 
No one knows what is going to happen with this novel virus, its crazy and has exposed the weaknesses in our medical system to something like this. We will learn from this , lets stop pointing fingers already (my finger hurts) and work together to respond better next time, because it has happened before and will happen again. The virus took advantage in all the cracks in our armor, not blaming anyone. This winter could be 100% fine or it could ravage our nursing homes. The virus hurt us, now we are taming it to an extent, the next step is precaution/common sense until a vaccine and FDA approved cure comes out, which will be sooner rather than later since the entire world is working on it.
 
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No one knows what is going to happen with this novel virus, its crazy and has exposed the weaknesses in our medical system to something like this. We will learn from this as a nation, lets stop pointing fingers already (my finger hurts) and work together to respond better next time, because it has happened before and will happen again. The virus took advantage in all the cracks in our armor, not blaming anyone. This winter could be 100% fine or it could ravage our nursing homes. The virus hurt us, now we are taming it to an extent, the next step is precaution/common sense until a vaccine and FDA approved cure comes out.
All true, but I'm not worried about next time, yet - we're barely into the 2nd quarter this time and there are many lessons we could still apply that we didn't apply or didn't apply very well during the first wave and I'd like to see us do way better the rest of the way.

I'd like to keep transmissions and deaths way, way down, but that requires aggressive testing, tracing, isolating and social distancing with masks while we reopen our economy in a phased way - other countries have done this with minimal lockdowns and we could too.

And if we get pleasantly surprised with the virus weakening or much greater natural immunity in the population or an early cure/vaccine, great, but if those things don't come fruition, I'd rather invest in what's needed to keep case and death rates very low while we're waiting.
 
To me there are so many variables in this disease and as you guys have discussed and like even all the experts out there to me have been guessing at the numbers all along. I have been back to work for two weeks now and have seen or know of 12 of my patients that have had Covid 19. 4 of them were never tested but had the antibody testing recently. I know one of them in their late 70’s who had zero symptoms and yet had stronger antibody response than their significant other who did have symptoms. I have a younger patient whose butt this really kicked for 2 weeks but that patient was asthmatic. I know their significant other never got tested. The good news is some of them have already donated Plasma and let’s hope that treatment and possibly future vaccine continue to work and be developed. I just believe we will never know the true numbers both in cases and of course the number of actual deaths because I know for a fact hospital were basically putting Covid for almost every death whether or not it was!!!!
 
All true, but I'm not worried about next time, yet - we're barely into the 2nd quarter this time and there are many lessons we could still apply that we didn't apply or didn't apply very well during the first wave and I'd like to see us do way better the rest of the way.

I'd like to keep transmissions and deaths way, way down, but that requires aggressive testing, tracing, isolating and social distancing with masks while we reopen our economy in a phased way - other countries have done this with minimal lockdowns and we could too.

And if we get pleasantly surprised with the virus weakening or much greater natural immunity in the population or an early cure/vaccine, great, but if those things don't come fruition, I'd rather invest in what's needed to keep case and death rates very low while we're waiting.
RU numbers I love all the information and your scientific knowledge is awesome as I know we both graduated at the same time not just here but of course on the other sports boards. Hate the way people attack other people on all these boards as they are a voice for all of us to voice our opinions!!
With that being said when do you ever sleep lol!!
 
All true, but I'm not worried about next time, yet - we're barely into the 2nd quarter this time and there are many lessons we could still apply that we didn't apply or didn't apply very well during the first wave and I'd like to see us do way better the rest of the way.

I'd like to keep transmissions and deaths way, way down, but that requires aggressive testing, tracing, isolating and social distancing with masks while we reopen our economy in a phased way - other countries have done this with minimal lockdowns and we could too.

And if we get pleasantly surprised with the virus weakening or much greater natural immunity in the population or an early cure/vaccine, great, but if those things don't come fruition, I'd rather invest in what's needed to keep case and death rates very low while we're waiting.
One more thing I know New York City has required everyone to wear masks outside ALL THE TIME and maybe that’s why their numbers have gone below NJ these last few days but it’s VERY DIFFICULT to wear a mask outdoors in this heat.
I have also noticed just in my neighborhood more gatherings where people are not wearing masks or social distancing so let’s see what happens now with the numbers and also of course with all the millions of people protesting across the country
 
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