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Who is going to enforce it? You act like masks are the sole reason other countries are doing better which is a bunch of horse crap.
You truly have no clue with regard to the effectiveness of masks. I've posted 4-5 articles on masks over the past several weeks clearly showing the fundamental science (the hamster study and the actual viral droplet filtration study with the original SARS and various mask types, including cloth) and discussing the epidemiology and probabilistic math involved and have shown the very convincing bottom line results from countries like Japan and Hong Kong and others that have heavily relied on masks (more than South Korea, China, Taiwan and others that also employed masks but also had fantastic testing/tracing/isolating systems). My guess is you never read any of them. I'm convinced we could cut transmissions to near zero if we all practiced distancing where practical and mask-wearing where distancing is impractical (mass transit, some stores, social/entertainment events, etc.).
 
Asian people have been wearing masks for years. Not because of virus spread but because of air pollution. They didn't need a mandate. They have been wearing them on their own for a long time. 99 of the top 100 worst polluted regions are in Asia. They did a lot of things better during this crisis.

Japan has 100+ years of mask-wearing behind it, starting with miners and then during the 1918 pandemic and more recently SARS/MERS, plus some are concerned with pollution. More importantly, though, is probably the value of the collective good in most of these East Asian countries, which makes for much greater mask compliance than in the US and Europe. They don't have a bunch of people whining about freedom of speech, which is in no way hindered by wearing a mask.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/world/asia/japan-coronavirus-masks.html

https://time.com/5799964/coronavirus-face-mask-asia-us/
 
Have read in the newspaper and on line that Gen Zers tend to think it is not that big a deal; flu on steroids as one put it. That would be teenagers and people in their early 20's, the time when you kinda think you are immortal anyway who are socializing and flouting restrictions.

Meanwhile, according to the JHU Covid site--we identified some 40,000 new US cases of The Virus since last night; 300 Covid19 deaths and some 6,000 declared recovered over that span, and we tested some 587,000. The numbers are the numbers.
 
Haven't been checking, but prior to today, Brazil and Mexico have been 1-2 in daily deaths. Would not be surprised if those #'s are underreported.
How many from Mexico are crossing into US southern states seeking treatment?
 
Most of the local ones I've seen have been in parking lots of parks and malls. People are spread out (some even stay in parked cars) and wearing masks. Restaurants are back open. There's no need to keep the people locked-up right now. NY has been through the mill, and most people take things vastly more serious than people in some other states. Wearings masks solves a lot of problems. If people riot night after night then kids can graduate

Here in Martin County, Fla, restaurants are open. Had my fix of hot pastrami rye at Toojays, a deli restaurant chain. The tables are in a line, anyway, and removable, so they removed some to allow room between parties. Naturally, you take off the mask to eat. Was at the barber Wednesday before last. She had me keep the mask on. I don't like the pulling on the ears, so fitted a shoelace to string through the ear loops and go round the head, knotted lightly in back. Takes the pressure off the ears, and she simply moved the makeshift headband as she mowed. A little common sense, but some people say this is a free country and I can do what I want. For those that talked about people wearing masks in Asia--google smog in China or smog in India and see maybe we are not so bad off after all. Mostly they wear them to ward of pollutants, but in the end, you are still breathing that smoggy air.
 
Have read in the newspaper and on line that Gen Zers tend to think it is not that big a deal; flu on steroids as one put it. That would be teenagers and people in their early 20's, the time when you kinda think you are immortal anyway who are socializing and flouting restrictions.

Meanwhile, according to the JHU Covid site--we identified some 40,000 new US cases of The Virus since last night; 300 Covid19 deaths and some 6,000 declared recovered over that span, and we tested some 587,000. The numbers are the numbers.
I made a long post 3 days ago on COVID vs. flu and flu might be a little worse than COVID in those under 18 (but neither are that bad, i.e., flu averages about 120 deaths/year in those under 17 and COVID is likely in that ballpark). But COVID is obviously far worse than flu for people over 18, just by virtue that so far we have over 125K COVID deaths and counting and we have about 30K flu deaths in an average year (and that's based on models - doing an apples-to-apples comparison of actual flu deaths counted, they've ranged from about 4K to 15K over the last 6 years). Take care of yourself down there, as things are truly getting bad in most of FL (my dad is 86 and lives in Vero). While deaths haven't spiked yet, they're very likely to in the next week or so (due to the lag), although hopefully treatment/medical procedural improvements can keep that down somewhat.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...entions-and-more.191275/page-192#post-4615722
 
This is way, way off topic...

Just a little...rengeneron is thick in the middle of a fix for CV. Wonder how many would boycott if they come up with something? I can see why they are a good company (unlike Nike etc)


"Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (NASDAQ: REGN) today announced initiation of the first clinical trial of REGN-COV2, its investigational dual antibody cocktail for the prevention and treatment of COVID-19"

https://investor.regeneron.com/news...ins-first-clinical-trials-anti-viral-antibody
 
Florid's bars opened June 5th and within two weeks the daily cases had doubled. NYC after two weeks the cases have gone down almost in half.
1)FL's #'s were beginning to trend up prior to June 5th. NY's have been declining for months.

2)They don't wear masks in FL. At least nowhere near the level we do in NJ NY. In general they take it much less seriously down there. So their spread will come from all angles.

3)Are NY's indoor bars open?

4)We will see where NY's #'s are in couple weeks. Would be amazing news if they are still dropping. I doubt that is the case, but I'd be happy to see only a very small increase.
 
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1)FL's #'s were beginning to trend up prior to June 5th. NY's have been declining for months.

2)They don't wear masks in FL. At least nowhere near the level we do in NJ NY. In general they take it much less seriously down there. So their spread will come from all angles.

3)Are NY's indoor bars open?

4)We will see where NY's #'s are in couple weeks. Would be amazing news if they are still dropping. I doubt that is the case, but I'd be happy to see only a very small increase.
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1)FL's #'s were beginning to trend up prior to June 5th. NY's have been declining for months.

2)They don't wear masks in FL. At least nowhere near the level we do in NJ NY. In general they take it much less seriously down there. So their spread will come from all angles.

3)Are NY's indoor bars open?

4)We will see where NY's #'s are in couple weeks. Would be amazing news if they are still dropping. I doubt that is the case, but I'd be happy to see only a very small increase.
NY State reported just 5 deaths yesterday due to Covid19. NY/NJ/Conn./Pa. have done wonders in bringing all the numbers down. Beaches, parks opened for 6 weeks and no spike in any numbers. Time to open the gyms and everything else.
 
And the U.S. death rate for Covid fell to it’s lowest point in two months. Cases up but death rates going down.

The CV out west and other places was long said to be a highly transmissible but less lethal variant. Nothing taking place now seems to resemble what took place in NY, Italy and Iran, and attributed to another variant.
 
I know that's what was communicated, but none of that means squat if the first step is not being done - detecting, which means testing. Early in a pandemic, by far the most important activity is testing. This was written on 2/26 when, in retrospect by numerous analyses, we had tens of thousands of cases in NY/NJ. And testing, especially early on, is 100% owned by the Federal Government and it was an abject failure as I've described.
You also don't appear to read any of my posts on this, but I'll repeat. NY/NJ combined had 1 positive case and zero deaths through 3/2, because there was a grand total of about 3 tests run by then, about a week after this communication. NY/NJ then slowly ramped up testing, with NY not hitting 1000 tests per day (when we should've been at 20,000 per day) until 3/13 and NJ not hitting 500 tests per day until 3/22 (and should've been at at least 10,000/day).

If the authorities don't know anything about who's infected and where transmissions are occurring then it's impossible for them to do the rest of the steps in the pandemic playbook sequence, i.e., tracing/isolating positive cases and contacts of positive cases. In fact it was so bad that we were flying completely blind and that is a death sentence in a pandemic - and didn't start to understand the magnitude of the explosive growth until about mid-March, really leaving shut downs as the only intervention left to NY/NJ (and CT, MA, PA, DE, RI), since nobody (other than me and a few others back then) was recommending masks.

Even on 3/16, when schools, bars, restaurants, casinos etc. shut down in NY/NJ/CT, NJ only had 178 cases via testing and NY only had 967, when in truth there were likely 50-100X that many already, as borne out by the fact that only 2 weeks later, NJ had 17,000 cases (95X) and NY had 76,000 (79X), despite most of the area being shut down by 3/16 (and formally shut down a few days later).

That growth rate was insane, which is why I've said we're never going to see that anywhere else in the US again, i.e., TX/FL aren't going to go from their 1000-2000 case/day baseline from recently to 50-100K cases per day (or at least we better hope to hell they aren't). That's why they're not likely going to have death rates anywhere near what ours were (even if death rates weren't likely decreasing some due to procedures/treatments), but they'll likely still be substantial starting soon.

FL, TX, AZ, GA, CA and many other states are having more cases per day now than we had cumulatively on 3/16, yet we were shutting everything down and those states are debating asking people to wear masks and maybe slow down reopenings (except CA, which has a mask requirement now). It's also why comparing the outbreaks in the NE US states to the rest of the US and saying the rest of the US did "better" is very unfair.
Yeh I read enough of your posts giving the NY/NJ/CT Dem leaders mostly a pass on their failures. Funny it was less than 2 weeks ago you were slamming the Federal government for "doing nothing" until mid-March, so the CDC transcripts prove that is not correct. Btw the Feb 26th teleconf was for the media-they did note they were working with state and local officials before this media call.

Despite China's lies and lack of transparency in the early days of the outbreak, in particular, it was known by late January that this virus was transmitted human to human (and earlier, according to US intelligence reports) and it was known how horribly deadly and transmissible it was by then, too, given the draconian shutdown of Hubei/Wuhan. Some countries took this seriously, like SK, Taiwan, and many others and had aggressive testing, tracing and isolating in place by the time it hit there hard (before it hit here hard). We did not.

Our Federal government, which is charged with responsibility for National Security (and our pandemic playbook and 2018 pandemic simulations all agree on that) did essentially nothing until about mid-March, when it was too late. The CDC and the Administration completely bungled testing and even then we still could have obtained test kits from other countries using the German-developed, WHO approved test, but we didn't. They also did nothing to proactively expand our inventory of medical supplies and PPE and we had a POTUS who downplayed the seriousness of the virus from late Jan through mid-March and continues to do so. The only thing they did right was the travel ban from China, but missed doing the same from Europe, where the vast majority of cases came to the US from (especially in the NE US).

Anyway, since you are willing to continue giving the Dem leaders in NYC metro area mostly a free pass in their handling of the crisis--except I hope you are in no way OK with them encouraging mass social gatherings, assuming they were doing their jobs re: CDC communications and following what was happening in China and Europe---you need to acknowledge the Trump Admin was dealt the same bad hand in terms of the poor data due to the testing failures at the CDC lab.

You should be calling for the heads of the career government scientists and health officials that i) botched the initial test development and (ii) did not appear to have any consensus on the imminent danger of the chicomvirus.

In late March Fauci was writing in the New England Journal of Medicine that COVID-19 would be no more deadly than the seasonal flu.
https://alachuachronicle.com/letter-to-the-editor-dr-anthony-fauci-now-regards-covid-19-more-like-seasonal-infuenza/

Of course also in March the clueless WHO was telling the world that "COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far." The WHO was also saying that asymptomatic people with COVID-19 were not driving the transmission of the virus: "With influenza, people who are infected but not yet sick are major drivers of transmission, which does not appear to be the case for COVID-19."

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020

I'm sorry ###'s but if you are going to give the Dems in NY/NJ/CT a pass yet slam Trump Admin every other post instead of the career scientists and government officials that made the mistakes than your partisanship can't be ignored. You should be absolutely apoplectic at CDC head Redfield and his team of career government health officials along with the bananas running the WHO.
 
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CNBC article on Instagram founder who built a site to track amount of spread in each state, similar to the R0 factor I suppose. Good news that NJ is currently at .86, hope that can be maintained in that vicinity as things open.

Also article that Cuomo is requiring all large indoor malls to install AC systems that filter out coronavirus.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/ins...systrom-explains-new-coronavirus-tracker.html

His tracking site:
https://rt.live/

https://rt.live/us/NJ

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/mal...at-filter-the-coronavirus-gov-cuomo-says.html
 
Good news out of Florida: positive cases for the past day fell from 8,500 to 5,400

Mixed news out of Florida: testing over the same time period declined from 72,000 to 41,600. % of positive tests was the highest in a week.

Two ways to look at this. (1) Fewer tests means fewer sick people. (2) Only people feeling urgently about the need to get tested will do so on a Sunday; so you trim some marginal cases, and end up with a higher positive test %.

Probably a mix of both. Texas business owners say they started to see slippage in consumer activity 10 days - 2 weeks ago. If we assume a similar pattern of behavior in Fl (people taking precautions on their own as cases started to rise), we’ll soon (if not already) begin seeing the benefit of this self-isolation in case / test counts.
 
Good news out of Florida: positive cases for the past day fell from 8,500 to 5,400

Mixed news out of Florida: testing over the same time period declined 72,000 to 41,600. % of positive tests was the highest in a week.

Two ways to look at this. (1) Fewer tests means fewer sick people. (2) Only people feeling urgently about the need to get tested will do so on a Sunday; so you trim some marginal cases, and end up with a higher positive test %.

Probably a mix of both. Texas business owners say they started to see slippage in consumer activity 10 days - 2 weeks ago. If we assume a similar pattern of behavior in Fl (people taking precautions on their own as cases started to rise), we’ll soon (if not already) begin seeing the benefit of this self-isolation in case / test counts.

In regard to the new cases dropping, we use to see the same thing here in Jersey but it was the weekend lag that resulted in the decline in numbers, need to see how it goes the next few days before we call it good news.
 
CNBC article on Instagram founder who built a site to track amount of spread in each state, similar to the R0 factor I suppose. Good news that NJ is currently at .86, hope that can be maintained in that vicinity as things open.

Also article that Cuomo is requiring all large indoor malls to install AC systems that filter out coronavirus.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/ins...systrom-explains-new-coronavirus-tracker.html

His tracking site:
https://rt.live/

https://rt.live/us/NJ

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/mal...at-filter-the-coronavirus-gov-cuomo-says.html

Numbers posted this site 2 months ago or so and looking at the initial data he was using it seems that he was using the wrong metrics. Has this site been code reviewed, tested and proven since then? I have an issue with people hacking up some code, buying a domain name and then people pointing to it as it's authoritative. .
 
Really curious to see where the death rates go from here. Hoping they continue to decline in spite of the increase in cases happening. That would indicate that some combination of improving therapies/treatments, weakening virus, or herd (or pre-existing) immunity.
 
CNBC article on Instagram founder who built a site to track amount of spread in each state, similar to the R0 factor I suppose. Good news that NJ is currently at .86, hope that can be maintained in that vicinity as things open.

Also article that Cuomo is requiring all large indoor malls to install AC systems that filter out coronavirus.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/ins...systrom-explains-new-coronavirus-tracker.html

His tracking site:
https://rt.live/

https://rt.live/us/NJ

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/mal...at-filter-the-coronavirus-gov-cuomo-says.html
We were as low as .68, in case you didn't know already.
 
Took a few days off from the thread and wow...it has really devolved. Regardless, I believe we have done the thread a disservice by not including more talk regarding the role of nutrition and covid. There have been some passing mentions of obesity and it is an undisputed leading risk factor but there is more to explore here. Obesity is a function of the western diet and the way we eat is egregiously pro inflammatory. Adipose tissue is a key mediator in the inflammatory response and this has been known for a while. We know microinflammation is a driver of many of our most common health problems. Those health problems are also our largest covid risk factors. Unless you've been hibernating the last 4 months you already know that type 2 diabetes, hypertension, coronary heart disease and systemic vasculopathy are the most prominent risk factors after age. What does each one, without exception have in common? Inflammation. Bottom line...I think a closer look at the American diet deserves a lot of blame in reference to the disproportionate number of cases in the US. The book entitled The China Study does a wonderful job highlighting the consequences and comparisons of the western diet vs the Asian diet (though I am no advocate of eliminating animal proteins altogether).

Very interesting, j. What constitutes a low inflammatory diet? What does one eat? And what does one stay far away from?
Thanks!
 
Really curious to see where the death rates go from here. Hoping they continue to decline in spite of the increase in cases happening. That would indicate that some combination of improving therapies/treatments, weakening virus, or herd (or pre-existing) immunity.

We should expect death rates to continue to trend positively simply because we are capturing so many more cases now than we were in March and April. ER visits used to be a much more material component of total tests, because in many places we only had testing capacity for serious cases.

Also, some new treatments and patient care tactics (putting people on their stomachs instead of their backs to reduce pressure on lungs) will also shave some points of the mortality rate.

That said, I think the general trend will be more serious cases = more deaths. So total deaths (not death rate) might reverse its current trend.
 
Not a milestone anyone wanted to see, but the World reached 10,000,000 positive viral cases (which likely means 50-100MM actual infections) and 500,000 deaths yesterday (that's a 5% case fatality ratio, which is just about identical to the US's, with 128K dead in 2.6MM cases). Most experts are pretty sure that countries like Brazil, Russia, India, Peru, Mexico and more are significantly under-reporting deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

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Anything China has you could probably at least 50X those numbers......the most populous country in the world and 83k positives...riggggght. they are probably at 500k deaths thermselves
 
Yeh I read enough of your posts giving the NY/NJ/CT Dem leaders mostly a pass on their failures. Funny it was less than 2 weeks ago you were slamming the Federal government for "doing nothing" until mid-March, so the CDC transcripts prove that is not correct. Btw the Feb 26th teleconf was for the media-they did note they were working with state and local officials before this media call.



Anyway, since you are willing to continue giving the Dem leaders in NYC metro area mostly a free pass in their handling of the crisis--except I hope you are in no way OK with them encouraging mass social gatherings, assuming they were doing their jobs re: CDC communications and following what was happening in China and Europe---you need to acknowledge the Trump Admin was dealt the same bad hand in terms of the poor data due to the testing failures at the CDC lab.

You should be calling for the heads of the career government scientists and health officials that i) botched the initial test development and (ii) did not appear to have any consensus on the imminent danger of the chicomvirus.

In late March Fauci was writing in the New England Journal of Medicine that COVID-19 would be no more deadly than the seasonal flu.
https://alachuachronicle.com/letter-to-the-editor-dr-anthony-fauci-now-regards-covid-19-more-like-seasonal-infuenza/

Of course also in March the clueless WHO was telling the world that "COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far." The WHO was also saying that asymptomatic people with COVID-19 were not driving the transmission of the virus: "With influenza, people who are infected but not yet sick are major drivers of transmission, which does not appear to be the case for COVID-19."

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020

I'm sorry ###'s but if you are going to give the Dems in NY/NJ/CT a pass yet slam Trump Admin every other post instead of the career scientists and government officials that made the mistakes than your partisanship can't be ignored. You should be absolutely apoplectic at CDC head Redfield and his team of career government health officials along with the bananas running the WHO.
Let’s see numver guy spin in two weeks after NYC blows up. Speaking of NY, why do the my have the majority of deaths?
 
Very interesting, j. What constitutes a low inflammatory diet? What does one eat? And what does one stay far away from?
Thanks!
People have been over complicating nutrition for a long time. The short, and honest answer is fruits, vegetables and lean proteins. These foods are low in trans fat, sat fat and high glycemic carbs. It really is just that simple.
 
People have been over complicating nutrition for a long time. The short, and honest answer is fruits, vegetables and lean proteins. These foods are low in trans fat, sat fat and high glycemic carbs. It really is just that simple.

Are lean proteins chicken and fish? Nuts? yogurt? beans? What else?

Is there any red meat protein that is considered lean?

Thanks again!
 
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Let’s see numver guy spin in two weeks after NYC blows up. Speaking of NY, why do the my have the majority of deaths?
NYC would be a natural epicenter for this especially in the holiday season of heavy international travel to/from NYC area. Cuomo's arrogance and Wilhem's incompetence made a bad situation much, much worse.
 
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Anything China has you could probably at least 50X those numbers......the most populous country in the world and 83k positives...riggggght. they are probably at 500k deaths thermselves

Been saying similar since March; here was my best guess at China's COVID numbers - not as high as yours, but way higher than reported...

More on China's horrific lies during the early days of the pandemic. Anyone who thinks their numbers are correct is delusional. South Korea has done the best job with this virus of any decent sized country with 207 cases per 1MM (0.2%) and 4 deaths per 1MM. It fails the sniff test that China, where the outbreak started and where there was a massive, uncontrolled outbreak well beyond anything observed in SK, would only have 57 cases per 1MM (0.06%) and only 2 deaths per 1MM, far less than SK's numbers per capita.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...blic-of-likely-pandemic-for-6-key-days-187614

Even if they did as well as SK, which is highly unlikely, they'd have 300K cases, not the 82K reported and 6600 deaths, not the 3300 reported. Personally, I'd guess they had at least 10X what was reported, i.e., 800K cases (570 per 1MM) and 33,000 deaths (40 per 1MM), which would still be well below those in the US and Europe, which are mostly over 1000 cases per 1MM and 100 deaths per 1MM.

On a "micro" level though, I do think their medical/epidemiology scientific papers are likely reasonable (where they don't touch on government decision-making, which few scientific papers do), as they still need to be peer-reviewed.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
 
Wow, the Feds had a meeting, big deal. They did just about nothing else, completely failing to lead any type of coordinated planning (nada on medical supplies/PPE) or response and to this day still haven't come out with any leadership on reopening states or compulsory mask-wearing.

And of course, they failed completely on testing, as I've detailed, excoriating both the CDC and Azar/Trump - you know, management - they usually fire the "coach" in sports when the team screws up so badly under their watch and they easily could've intervened with dual sourcing, but as we know, Trump never wanted and still doesn't want to test people, since that will lead to positives and make him look bad. They weren't "dealt" anything - they're management and need to own the complete failure of their team.

I've made a few separate posts devoted to the CDC's complete fall from being the premier public health org in the world (having done fantastic work on both H1N1 and Ebola) to a shell of itself. Redfield should've been fired in February along with the scientists responsible for insisting on the 3rd, unnecessary reagent and for the contamination that sidelined tests for weeks.

I've given the Administration credit for three things: the China travel ban, which should've been extended to Europe in mid-February once that outbreak was clear, the streamlining of regs/procedures in the FDA to speed new treatments for testing and use (although the HCQ fiasco is squarely on Trump), and the ongoing efforts to develop a vaccine.

The Fauci editorial was, at the time, a reasonable estimate of where this might be going, as he likened it most to the 1957 and 1968 flu pandemics, which killed each killed >100,000 Americans (vs. ~30K in a typical flu season). At the time, the US hadn't even made any projections on deaths from COVID and his main point in that section was to say that the fatality rate would be much closer to the flu (0.0%) than SARS (10%) or MERS (30%) and that is correct as the IFR will likely be 0.5-1.0%. And Fauci never said "COVID would be no more deadly than the seasonal flu." Below is what he actually said.

"If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2"

With regard to Cuomo and BDB, I already said my piece: they said nothing wrong about enjoying NY/NYC, since, at the time, there were zero cases and zero deaths in NY. They did bicker too much and closed NY (and NJ via Murphy) down several days later than they should have, which I've said. They were the ones dealt the horrible hand, though, since the Feds failed so badly on testing and we had no idea what was about to hit us.

And lastly, the WHO has not distinguished itself either, but I never cared that much about them, as the US has never really taken its lead from them on infectious diseases. But on the points you raised, it wasn't clear on 3/2 that transmission rates were greater than influenza (fatality rates were known to be worse) and asymptomatic transmission was being debated, so it wasn't known to be a major driver of the outbreak at that time - those definitive papers came out later in March. IMO, the WHO's biggest miss has been on masks (CDC too).

So, you've made your points and I've made mine. I'd suggest we move on, as my guess is we're unlikely to change the other's mind.
Disagree on just about the entirety of your post, but sure let's move on from the partisan blame game.

FYI, I don't believe the Federal Gov't can mandate mask wearing across the country, health policy is a state matter...remember when Trump floated the idea of a NY/NJ/CT quarantine Cuomo said he would sue to stop it.
 
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