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The death rate reduction was essentially the same as the reduction of hospitalization time, so don’t really understand what they are getting at.
Originally the primary outcomes was patient outcome on an 8-point ordinal scale. They changed the primary outcome to match the very good results which was time to recovery. The death reduction was not nearly as significant as the reduction in recovery time. Also, I don't know if the 8-pt scale would have been a good result. So changing the primary outcome does make the results look better as in positive outcome with a of p<0.001.
 
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Originally one of the primary outcomes was death rate and they moved that to a secondary criteria. The death reduction was not nearly as significant as the reduction in recovery time. So changing the primary outcome does make the results look better.

11.6% vs 8%

Isn’t that about a 30% change?
 
11.6% vs 8%

Isn’t that about a 30% change?
First note my post was edited to better explain what they changed. Go back and check.

Second, it is about significance. Hypothetically you could have a reduction in death of say 50% but the p value would NOT be significant statistically. For example if 1 in 1000 died vs 2 in 1000. That is half but probably not very significant statistically. I do not think they ever provided the 8-pt results.

An analogy would be we are playing OSU and winning 31-20 with a minute to go and with the ball and the BIG changes the outcome measure to who had more total yards which then gives the win to OSU so they can stay undefeated and in the playoff hunt.
 
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Completely right. Stop whining.
Since you're too lazy to do any research or post anything of substance, here you go...

The Sweden Experiment with Limited Social Distancing...

It's certainly not "over" yet, but they're doing far worse than their similarly situated, similarly low population density Nordic neighbors, Norway and Finland, especially in deaths, which is what really matters; these neighbors are also doing much more testing per capita (and tracing) and practicing much more aggressive social distancing. Cases per 1MM are less different, likely because of far less testing. I threw Denmark, Iceland and Germany in, too, even though their densities are a bit different. And Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, which are just a bit above Sweden in density are also doing much better than Sweden, with all of them below 40 deaths/1MM.

Sure Sweden is doing better than some of the much more densely populated countries, but on a density basis they're pretty much a very bad outlier. Ireland, though has about 3X the density as Sweden and has similar deaths/1MM and Spain at 4-5X the density of Sweden has 2X the death rate per 1MM as Sweden. Germany is an outlier in the other direction with 10X the density of Sweden (and is more dense than all the major EU countries other than the UK), but has a death rate of only 79/1MM - they've been the model country with regard to early/aggressive testing, tracing/isolating and social distancing (along with Denmark).

Country......Cases/1MM.......Deaths/1MM........Tests/1MM.....Density (per sq mi)
Sweden..........2088......................256.....................11K.....................56
Finland.............902.......................38.......................17K....................43
Norway............1427......................39.......................31K....................41
Iceland............5266......................29......................141K.....................8
Denmark.........1580......................78.......................33K...................345
Germany.........1945......................79.......................30K...................576

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52395866

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

...and What It Might Mean for Sweden and the US (and more)

Some from Sweden also recently said they thought they'd be at "herd immunity" in several weeks. My guess is that's a pipe dream. Sweden has 1800 positive viral cases per 1MM, which is 0.18%, while NY has 15K cases per 1MM, which is 1.5% viral cases and NY's antibody sampling shows 15% actually with antibodies right now (were infected) or about 10X the level of cases. If Sweden had a similar ratio, they'd have 1.8% of their population with antibodies (10X 0.18%), which is almost nothing compared to herd immunity estimates of 54% if the transmission rate, R0, is 2.2 (as thought awhile back) or 82% if R0 is 5.7 (as more are thinking now).

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/04/22...immunity-in-weeks.html?recirc=taboolainternal

However, they're saying Stockholm has 11% with antibodies, although Stockholm is far more densely populated than the rest of the country, as the country, overall has 64 people per sq mi, (near last in Europe) vs. Stockholm's 13,000 per sq mi (200X more densely populated) - so maybe it's possible for both to be true, ie.., 11% antibodies in Stockholm (which has 22% of Sweden's population) and 1.8% of Sweden with antibodies, overall (11/1.8 = 6 and 100/22 = 4.5).

So, if Sweden, right now is only at 1.8% of the population infected with antibodies, they have a very long way to go to reach herd immunity, which looks to be 20-30X their current infection%, meaning that's theoretically 20-30X more hospitalized/dead than they have now, assuming no interventions or great treatments/cures before then. That's a worst case, as infections would slow down as an area nears herd immunity, plus very low density locations might simply not sustain infections through the population - which could also be true for swaths of middle America, although those hotspots in meatpacking plants and small town flare-ups should be scaring the crap out of Middle America, but they don't seem to be.

Same is possible in the US if we're not smart about how we reopen and are not ready to stamp out flareups as they occur (with aggressive testing/tracing/isolating). We might be at ~3% of the US that have been infected, I'd guess, just roughly based on comparison to NY's data, where 15% have antibodies and 1.5% have tested positive for the virus (10X ratio), so that the US with 0.3% tested positive for the virus (1MM of 330MM) would then be 3.0% with antibodies (10X).

So, if the US, right now is only at 3% of the population infected with antibodies, we also have a very long way to go to reach herd immunity, which looks to be 15-25X their current infection%, meaning that's theoretically 15-25X more hospitalized/dead than we have now, assuming no interventions or great treatments/cures before then. Infections should slow down quite a bit once above 30-40% infected (less targets and less infected), so I doubt we're talking truly 15-25X more hospitalized dead, but I think 10-15X more is definitely a risk. That's 10-15X the 60K deaths we've seen - over whatever time it would take to reach herd immunity if we're not practicing any interventions (probably 6+ months).

We better hope we get a spring/summer lull, like we do with the flu to give us more time to develop treatments/cures/vaccines by fall and to improve our infrastructure for massive testing/tracing and isolating, just in case the next wave is strong. If there's no seasonal lull, we're likely in for a very bad time in this country if we reopen too aggressively and without a good testing/tracing infrastructure in place. Our other hope is that maybe, somehow, our antibody tests are off and many more have been infected than we know (or are somehow immune) - but hope isn't a strategy.
 
Too lazy to read your stuff, but I reviewed plenty of real/unbiased info and Sweden is on the right track. Let's see what happens and revised in a few weeks. I'm sure your position will have changed.....oop, I mean....."evolved" by then.
It won't be clear in a few weeks. Sweden's approach is based on getting immunity so they don't have to worry about a return of the virus without crushing their economy now. If there is no second wave, they probably would have been better off doing what Norway or Finland did. If there is another wave that skips over Sweden, they made the right call.
 
It won't be clear in a few weeks. Sweden's approach is based on getting immunity so they don't have to worry about a return of the virus without crushing their economy now. If there is no second wave, they probably would have been better off doing what Norway or Finland did. If there is another wave that skips over Sweden, they made the right call.
We'll know a lot more in a few weeks if Sweden remains on the right track. It's a great strategy to deal with this once and end it.
 
We'll know a lot more in a few weeks if Sweden remains on the right track. It's a great strategy to deal with this once and end it.

Good strategy for their health care system, culture and geography. They still have social distancing. Would never work here though, dunno why people try to compare.
 
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Too lazy to read your stuff, but I reviewed plenty of real/unbiased info and Sweden is on the right track. Let's see what happens and revised in a few weeks. I'm sure your position will have changed.....oop, I mean....."evolved" by then.

I can see why you went to the business side of things, since there's simply no way you could have ever hacked it on the scientific side of things. You make broad sweeping statements without a single scintilla of evidence and dismiss the pure unbiased evidence right in front of your nose. I'll even make it easier for you and take out most of those pesky words.

When you look at this table, which country would you rather be?

Country......Cases/1MM.......Deaths/1MM........Tests/1MM.....Density (per sq mi)
Sweden..........2088......................256.....................11K.....................56
Finland.............902.......................38.......................17K....................43
Norway............1427......................39.......................31K....................41
Denmark.........1580......................78.......................33K...................345
Germany.........1945......................79.......................30K...................576

Sweden has 7X the death rate per capita as Finland and Norway, which are very similar countries in many ways, especially with regard to population density and culture. And even Germany/Denmark with much greater densities have 3-4X lower death rates per capita than Sweden. They're also many months away from herd immunity with a country-wide infection rate of about only 2%, so lots more death to go for them. I'm sure most in Sweden are saying why couldn't we have just acted like our neighbors, much like people here are asking why couldn't we do what South Korea and Taiwan did?
 
I returned to work the past week. Brought my “PPE Bag”.
KN95 masks I bought, surgical masks, very nice cloth masks a friend made. Also gloves, sanitizer and Lysol.
Been gone for 5 weeks so I had no idea what to expect.

But I knew even though it was a ghost town I put on a mask and walked to my office a few blocks. Actually surprised that in 5 days I was the only one wearing a mask in the building in common areas. Meatheads in the bathroom no mask. Ladies in law firm next door talking to me. No masks. People coming into my personal office no mask.
I really wasn’t bothered by it too much but I was only doing what I thought I was supposed to do I thought. It was just a weird indoctrination back into office life. Like i am much younger than y’all and I have been in lockdown since March. Oh well. .

I took all my shit Friday and said it’s been some week. See you all in a few weeks.
 
I returned to work the past week. Brought my “PPE Bag”.
KN95 masks I bought, surgical masks, very nice cloth masks a friend made. Also gloves, sanitizer and Lysol.
Been gone for 5 weeks so I had no idea what to expect.

But I knew even though it was a ghost town I put on a mask and walked to my office a few blocks. Actually surprised that in 5 days I was the only one wearing a mask in the building in common areas. Meatheads in the bathroom no mask. Ladies in law firm next door talking to me. No masks. People coming into my personal office no mask.
I really wasn’t bothered by it too much but I was only doing what I thought I was supposed to do I thought. It was just a weird indoctrination back into office life. Like i am much younger than y’all and I have been in lockdown since March. Oh well. .

I took all my shit Friday and said it’s been some week. See you all in a few weeks.
At all Merck sites, you can't even get on site to work without a company supplied mask and receiving 2 hours of COVID-19 training...
 
At all Merck sites, you can't even get on site to work without a company supplied mask and receiving 2 hours of COVID-19 training...

Wow that’s something. I was like why did I come back here if I am the only one who seems to care some Like I don’t have much family left at all but I work with women with grand kids and kids so I worry for them because I don’t want to be the guy who doesn’t do the right thing. My wife works in a hospital and had some cases in her department lately albeit so I get paranoid. Coworkers just don’t seem to get my level of worry and it’s mostly for them. I spent about 6 months with 3 different family members in ICU before this situation and I can’t be the guy responsible for someone now going there because i am careless or unsafe.
Work didn’t really seem to grasp that but I really also don’t give a shit. I don’t think I should be boxed in that way but so is the world of small business I guess.

Thank you for mentioning that about Merck. That’s good to read.
 
I returned to work the past week. Brought my “PPE Bag”.
KN95 masks I bought, surgical masks, very nice cloth masks a friend made. Also gloves, sanitizer and Lysol.
Been gone for 5 weeks so I had no idea what to expect.

But I knew even though it was a ghost town I put on a mask and walked to my office a few blocks. Actually surprised that in 5 days I was the only one wearing a mask in the building in common areas. Meatheads in the bathroom no mask. Ladies in law firm next door talking to me. No masks. People coming into my personal office no mask.
I really wasn’t bothered by it too much but I was only doing what I thought I was supposed to do I thought. It was just a weird indoctrination back into office life. Like i am much younger than y’all and I have been in lockdown since March. Oh well. .

I took all my shit Friday and said it’s been some week. See you all in a few weeks.


See you in a few weeks? It will be months if not permanent.
 
Good strategy for their health care system, culture and geography. They still have social distancing. Would never work here though, dunno why people try to compare.
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They are still making some common sense restrictions, but nothing hysterical. It's working well for them. It may be tough for NJ or NYC, but most of the US is more like Sweden than our area (regarding pop density).
 
It's not stupidity. People are not used to being told what to do and have their liberties taken away. Theyb are just in survival mode.
I get people being upset about not being able to work, or people who may lose their businesses, but what does survival mode have to do with not wearing a mask in someone else's store?
 
It won't be clear in a few weeks. Sweden's approach is based on getting immunity so they don't have to worry about a return of the virus without crushing their economy now. If there is no second wave, they probably would have been better off doing what Norway or Finland did. If there is another wave that skips over Sweden, they made the right call.
It seems pretty clear that there will be a 2nd wave.

I think the question with Sweden is, will they have something that resembles herd immunity, if not actual herd immunity by then.

But it has to be noted that their situation is different then many other countries. Herd immunity was clearly not going to work in Italy, or Fance, or UK, or for much of the US. So it is an interesting case study, but it should not be held up as an example as what the US should be doing.
 
I know a few fervent anti-gov individuals who were opposed to having to wear masks in public. Then I let them know it would beat any gov-sponsored facial recognition cameras lol. Needless to say, they are now wearing masks.
 
Have found it difficult to find out what's going on with convalescent plasma therapy. Mayo Clinic says they've overseen the treatment of 4400+ patients so far in a number of centers, including in NYC, as part of the FDA-approved open label expanded access program (EAP), but not part of any controlled clinical trial. The first link is a great recent overview article from Nature, which also contains a listing of ex-US clinical trials with CP (including one standard-of-care-controlled trial in France with results slotted for mid-May) and includes the excerpt below in italics.

The 2nd and 3rd links describe the Mayo Clinic program overall and the EAP "trial." I was really hoping to hear something more definitive by now - even if just on the expanded access program, as there have been many anecdotal reports of CP working well even on very sick patients on ventilators, as well as being very safe, but surely Mayo must have some deeper data on this to share by now with 4400+ patients treated. Any insight on this anyone? Anyone seen any real data? Still think this is our best short term hope of an effective treatment for this virus (and hoping the engineered antibody approach will be even better - should know a lot more about that later this summer).

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41587-020-00011-1
https://www.uscovidplasma.org/?_ga=2.183025830.1865596575.1588485202-946978074.1586268762
https://www.uscovidplasma.org/pdf/COVID-19 Plasma EAP.pdf

"Further evidence on the safety and efficacy of convalescent plasma in COVID-19 will flow from the US expanded access program. This large-scale open-label study will use synthetic control groups to compare outcomes between patients who receive convalescent plasma and those who do not. The initiative is scaling rapidly — by 30 April, 2,004 sites had been registered, 7,774 patients had enrolled, and 3,809 of them had undergone transfusion. All participating sites will adhere to a single expanded-access protocol agreed by the US FDA, and the Mayo Clinic will provide a single institutional review board, removing the requirement for each participating site to establish its own board to ensure appropriate standards for treatment and data collection."

Also, yesterday I saw this announcement of a placebo controlled 300 patient study in people with respiratory problems and it doesn't list an end date at all.

https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/clinical-trial-begins-to-see-if-convalescent-plasma-can-treat-covid-19/?keywords=convalescent+plasma

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41...PRlRrV7VK08AN4zYrjo9Gl_vL2Sqj4oEDrGCJjlByX6Xg
 
That would be a gamechanger in the antibody testing arena, if their advertised specificity greater than 99.8% and sensitivity of 100% are confirmed. Just about all the other tests out there are in the 95% range for sensitivity (the worst element to have wrong, since a false positive tells the individual they have the antibodies and are likely immune, when they don't have the antibodies).

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/health/coronavirus-antibody-tests-terrible/index.html
 
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Too lazy to read your stuff, but I reviewed plenty of real/unbiased info and Sweden is on the right track. Let's see what happens and revised in a few weeks. I'm sure your position will have changed.....oop, I mean....."evolved" by then.

I'm too lazy to read what the argument is here but being dismissive of the change of ones mind in light of new evidence is the opposite of science.

It should be obvious at this point that we should be following scientific principals not making fun of them.
 
I saw that article yesterday. There are just no words, other than...Americans are so effin stupid. Had to get away from the internet after seeing that.

This face mask debate is the ultimate stupidity, ignorance and just flat out selfishness. We banned smoking in public places because it is not only harmful to the smoker, but to the people around them. Why can't people understand that this is the same thing only at much more pronounced level?

It is unfortunate that people will not understand what this disease does until they themselves are affected by it. Have you seen what it's like to watch your family or loved one not be able to breath and you be completely helpless? Watch your family admitted in the ER and the next time you see them is cremated in a box? This is REAL and what is happening right now. Don't wait for it to happen to you, you dummies.

To date, I personally know 6 people (one was a close friend) and 14 who were related to people I know, who have died from this terrible disease.

I was one of those who poopooed this in the beginning. Boy was I dead wrong. I was so wrong, it almost felt like God punished me for my stupidity.

DON'T BE LIKE ME.

60,000 AMERICANS DEAD in 2 MONTHS. And morons think wearing a mask is a big deal? Holy moly.
 
They're either idiots or misinformed. Relaxing social distancing while still having an active outbreak will accelerate the outbreak, causing more cases/deaths per unit time than one would have with SD (and testing/tracing). In much less densely populated areas, it'll simply just take longer to reach herd immunity (60-70%?) and the final death toll.

The whole logic of testing/tracing/isolating is to control flare-ups, which will happen, since there's a 1-2 week delay before a flare-up is noticed and the whole point of SD is to prevent or at least minimize flare-ups, preventing them from becoming major outbreaks. I

Let's do a simple "what if" exercise. If we stop SD/interventions and ultimately, everywhere in the US, within 12 months reaches about 0.2% fatalities (NY is already at 0.8% infection fatality rate at 24K deaths/3.0MM w/antibodies, so 0.2% is quite conservative - it should come down) for 60% of the population, that's 400K total US deaths (vs. 35K in an average flu season).

However, interventions/SD can probably reduce the death rate by at least half, so it might take 24 months to reach those 400K deaths (the end number doesn't change as it's only based on the infection fatality rate and herd immunity number we reach, which should be constants).

But if there's a vaccine in 12 months that's close to 100% effective and we're still doing interventions/social distancing (not full stay at home, like now, but something more akin to what South Korea is doing), we could save half of those 400K lives or 200K - isn't that worth the effort?

And on top of that, if there's a treatment/cure in 6 months (e.g., antibodies) that prevents most deaths from that point on, that could save another half of the those 200K deaths or 100K deaths, so that we only have 100k total deaths vs. 400K total deaths in 12 months with no interventions/SD. Isn't that even more worth it?

Interventions and SD are not just about flattening the curve - they're about slowing the transmission and death rates, buying time for treatments/cures/vaccines to potentially save hundreds of thousands of Americans vs. doing nothing. Isn't that worth it?

Excellent new simulator from Penn's Wharton School of Business was just released. Shows the tradeoffs between public health and the economy. One can select three different levels of "reopening" from current baseline to partial reopening to full reopening and two different levels of social distancing from the current baseline aggressive distancing to partial distancing. The differences in modeled additional deaths are huge by the end of June and the economic impacts (especially jobs lost) of the current state are huge too, as expected.

Here are a few highlights from three scenarios, analyzed by US News in the 2nd link and summarized below. I have no idea how accurate the economics part is, but the modeled deaths are significantly greater than the IHME (U of Washington) model, which is only showing 73K dead through the end of June if we continue with the current state, while Scenario 1 below, shows 117K US deaths by the end of June if we continue with our current state. IHME has consistently been underpredicting deaths the past few weeks, so perhaps this new model is more realistic.
  • Scenario 1: If we continue with the current state of significant work/school policy restrictions (which is already unrealistic, as many states are partly reopening as of 5/1) and continue with aggressive individual social distancing, the death toll would still rise to 117K by 6/30.
    • In Scenario 1, however, U.S. gross domestic product would end June down 11.6% over the year, and roughly 18.6 million more jobs would be lost between May 1 and June 30.
  • Scenario 2: Under an arguably more realistic "partial open scenario," in which States immediately lift emergency declarations, stay-at-home orders, and school closures, but maintaining some restrictions (like the prohibition of in-house dining at bars and restaurants), while residents continue practicing aggressive individual social distancing, we'd see an additional 45,000 deaths (vs. the first scenario above) by the end of June, meaning the U.S. total at that point would reach 162,000.
    • In Scenario 2, roughly 4.4 million jobs would be saved. The U.S. would still see a loss of 14 million positions between May 1 and June 30 vs. the 18.6MM jobs lost in the first scenario
  • Scenario 3: Under a less realistic scenario in which all state economies/schools/businesses, etc. fully reopen without any restrictions on May 1, an additional 233,000 deaths (vs. scenario 1) would be recorded by the end of June, even if individuals continued practicing aggressive individual social distancing, leading to a total of roughly 350,000 deaths (close to the number of Americans who died during World War II).
    • In Scenario 3, about 500,000 jobs would be lost between May 1 and June 30, and the size of the U.S. economy would be down roughly 10% over the year.
  • For all three scenarios above, if we greatly reduce individual social distancing, the number of deaths goes up substantially more, as per the the last 3 rows in the Wharton table below
    • For the most aggressive case, the model predicts 950K US deaths if we stopped all interventions/social distancing. This scenario is much closer to what my thinking is, as per my post above, i.e., at least ~400K US deaths in the next 12 months if we open it all back up - remember, my scenario above used an infection fatality rate of 0.2% (very conservative), whereas if that is 0.5% (plausible), my estimate would've been 1000K US deaths, which is pretty damn close to their 950K estimate.
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I think we can all agree that all of these scenarios suck. As I've said countless times, my preference would be to follow South Korea and invest in massive testing/tracing/isolating to greatly reduce deaths (well below even Scenario 1, if we did it well) and allow at least partial reopening. These aren't even options being considered in this country right now though (only by a few governors).

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2020/5/1/coronavirus-reopening-simulator

https://www.usnews.com/news/economy...-000-deaths-by-july-but-save-millions-of-jobs
 
Abbott also has a 99.5% specificity, 100% sensitivity, antibody test.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/roche-aims-more-100-million-114259761.html

Here's the paper upon which I assume Abbott made their claims. Methodology looks sound (tested in pre-COVID negative samples and known positive viral samples), which is great; presumably Roche has done something similar. Great to have two tests that look so good.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20082362v1

However, keep in mind that when the prevalence of a condition being tested, like those with antibodies, is low, the math makes it very hard to "know" for sure if your positive antibody test is correct.

For example, with a prevalence of 5% antibodies in the population and a 99.9% sensitivity (hard to imagine any test being truly 100.0% accurate) and a 99.5% specificity, the calculator in the link below still shows that if you took the test and got a positive result, there’s a 90.9% chance it’s correct. If you got a negative result, there’s a 100% chance your result is accurate. Some might not take this chance.

If the prevalence is greater, like it is in NYC (~20%), then if you took the test and got a positive result, there’s a 99.5% chance it’s correct. If you got a negative result, there’s a 100% chance your result is accurate. Most would likely take this small chance of a false positive.

https://qz.com/1848674/how-to-interpret-the-specificity-sensitivity-of-antibody-tests/
 
Here's the paper upon which I assume Abbott made their claims. Methodology looks sound (tested in pre-COVID negative samples and known positive viral samples), which is great; presumably Roche has done something similar. Great to have two tests that look so good.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20082362v1

However, keep in mind that when the prevalence of a condition being tested, like those with antibodies, is low, the math makes it very hard to "know" for sure if your positive antibody test is correct.

For example, with a prevalence of 5% antibodies in the population and a 99.9% sensitivity (hard to imagine any test being truly 100.0% accurate) and a 99.5% specificity, the calculator in the link below still shows that if you took the test and got a positive result, there’s a 90.9% chance it’s correct. If you got a negative result, there’s a 100% chance your result is accurate. Some might not take this chance.

If the prevalence is greater, like it is in NYC (~20%), then if you took the test and got a positive result, there’s a 99.5% chance it’s correct. If you got a negative result, there’s a 100% chance your result is accurate. Most would likely take this small chance of a false positive.

https://qz.com/1848674/how-to-interpret-the-specificity-sensitivity-of-antibody-tests/
One way to help weed out false positives is to do a second antibody test on anyone who tests positive.
 
All of that makes sense to me. Antibody tests are now available at many urgent cares in NJ. I simply walked into the Medemerge in Green Brook last Saturday and was out in about an hour. Very easy, no prescription or anything. It was a blood test - one vile. Doc told me they originally had one in stock that was more of a "pregnancy test style" but that was pulled by the FDA 24 hours after the clinic received the tests so they're getting refunded.

Maybe I'll take another test when a different test is available. It's a bit more important for me as I'm still running the restaurants and making deliveries to first responders/hospitals. I am extremely vigilant and feel like I'm doing everything I can to stay clean, but antibodies would have made me feel better.
FYI, read the last page or so where @Upstream and I have been talking about the "new and improved" (much better) antibody tests from Abbott and Roche - might be worth a retest for you.
 
https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...er-covid-19-coronavirus-tennessee/3074827001/

88 people tested positive in Tennessee homeless shelter... Every single one of them asymptomatic.
Similar story here and like others seen in prisons and pregnant women at two nyc hospitals etc..

1 hr 1 min ago
More than 300 employees test positive for Covid-19 at Missouri pork processing plant

From CNN's Brad Parks and Hollie Silverman

A total of 373 employees and contract workers at Triumph Foods, a pork processing plant in Buchanan County, Missouri, have tested positive for coronavirus despite showing no related symptoms, according to a press release from the Department of Health and Senior Services.

“We continue to work this weekend contacting these asymptomatic patients and have initiated the process of contact tracing with those determined to be close contacts of our positive cases,” said Dr. Randall Williams, director of DHSS.
The department encouraged anyone experiencing symptoms to reach out to their health care provider, the release said.

The latest numbers come after the the Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services announced Thursday more than 120 employees tested positive for Covid-19.
 
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