COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...

[RU848789]

Amazing thread by Gummibear that counters Numbers claim. Hey guess what you dont own science

Read and Share Twitter Threads easily!

Thread Reader helps you read and share the best of Twitter Threads

threadreaderapp.com

Here's the problem. He regurgitates a lot of the science and most of it is reasonably accurate, but he goes off the rails when he says it's just a bad flu with an infection fatality ratio of 0.1% and dismissing 220K eventual deaths (not sure where he even gets that as we're at 190K and likely to be close to 300K by the end of the year vs. 34K in a typical flu year, so no, this ain't the flu for the 1000th time) as being like the 1957 flu pandemic.

He probably doesn't even know that the US under Maurice Hilleman (future great at Merck) developed a vaccine in record time back then and deployed it just as it was hitting and this likely saved a few hundred thousand lives (~100K died in the US from that pandemic) - and we don't have a vaccine yet, so assuming this will be like 1957, where we had a vaccine and that everything is fine now is ludicrous.

The Man Who Beat the 1957 Flu Pandemic

Pioneering virologist Maurice Hilleman, who is little remembered today, also helped develop nine of the 14 children’s vaccines that are now recommended

blogs.scientificamerican.com

I may not own science, but I certainly know more about it than any source you've posted from yet.

 

[RU#1fan]

Iowa COVID-19 cases are skyrocketing. Social Distancing not be implemented.
Deaths in TX to surpass California.

 

[bac2therac]

The fear mongers on here will blast your valid theory and facts. For some this thread has consumed their lives and they can never admit that they wasted the last 6 months of their lives on this. So they fight and call out anyone who doesn't tow their biased opinions.

i wonder when this is over if there will be a sizable group of people going through withdrawl that have consumed their social media with talk of coronavirus. We already have the so called long haulers who never tested positive but insist they have it and blame their myriad of symptoms they currently have on it, the same people who likely would have all those symptoms in any other year.

 

[Wolv RU]

You may need to re-read my post. By early summer it was well known that H1N1 was not going to be worse than a typical flu and would likely even be less worse than the flu, so we didn't need to treat it like the Pandemic or COVID-19 or even some very bad flu seasons in the past. I never said or implied it was gone or that it was controlled. We did, however, roll out a vaccine very quickly which helped lessen the impact.

Well, if H1N1 wasn't under control by the Fall of 2009, roughly the same amount of time after it started as COVID with respect to this fall, then I guess I'll have to hold my applause for managing that outbreak. Indeed, if there was a vaccine quickly developed by then, I guess they didn't distribute it enough given the apparent outbreaks.

By the way, did they know anything about the long term effects of H1N1 in fall 2009? Heart issues that could arise years later? Seems there may have been much less of a focus on those things then compared to now.

 

[RU848789]

Iowa COVID-19 cases are skyrocketing. Social Distancing not be implemented.
Deaths in TX to surpass California.

South Dakota also way up (at 2X the case rate of Hawaii, per capita - wonder where all the folks saying the sky was falling in Hawaii are now?) and TX/FL (450/530 per 1MM) are way beyond CA (330/1MM) in deaths per capita. More to come later...

 

[RU-05]

i wonder when this is over if there will be a sizable group of people going through withdrawl that have consumed their social media with talk of coronavirus. We already have the so called long haulers who never tested positive but insist they have it and blame their myriad of symptoms they currently have on it, the same people who likely would have all those symptoms in any other year.

Says the guy who is on this thread day after day.

 

[King of S]

Getting close.....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cdc-letter-governors-coronavirus-vaccine-distribution-fall-2020

 

[ScarletNut]

i wonder when this is over if there will be a sizable group of people going through withdrawl that have consumed their social media with talk of coronavirus. We already have the so called long haulers who never tested positive but insist they have it and blame their myriad of symptoms they currently have on it, the same people who likely would have all those symptoms in any other year.

Dumbest post ever, T2K territory.

 

[RU-05]

Getting close.....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cdc-letter-governors-coronavirus-vaccine-distribution-fall-2020

Why do we even need a vaccine? Covid doesn't actually kill people and we already have herd immunity. Or do those narratives not fly on Wednesdays?

 

[ArminRU]

OK, no bet, but I will poke you in the ribs after the third beer if we continue to loosen restrictions (and I think that could include masks at some point) and nothing "bad" happens.

I think if we don’t stay vigilant, we’ll see another spike like they are in some parts of Europe. Spain for example spent a couple months with a fairly lax policy (good for them since things were well under control), but now you see how fast things can get out of control.

 

[T2Kplus10]

i wonder when this is over if there will be a sizable group of people going through withdrawl that have consumed their social media with talk of coronavirus. We already have the so called long haulers who never tested positive but insist they have it and blame their myriad of symptoms they currently have on it, the same people who likely would have all those symptoms in any other year.

+1
Hits the nail on the head.

 

[RU-05]

Iowa COVID-19 cases are skyrocketing. Social Distancing not be implemented.
Deaths in TX to surpass California.

They def had a spike within the past week, and their deaths, while still very low have been increasing steadily over the past 2 months.

Need to see how it plays out but the Governor's reluctance to respond(just said 25K will be allowed at Iowa football games) makes it more concerning.

 

[bac2therac]

Why do we even need a vaccine? Covid doesn't actually kill people and we already have herd immunity. Or do those narratives not fly on Wednesdays?

interesting to note that no one here breakdowns the new deaths and their ages

 

[bac2therac]

Dumbest post ever, T2K territory.

really? I read the article last week..these people have never tested positive nor do they have the antibodies but insist they have it, i may have posted this article earlier but will have to find it.

 

[bac2therac]

South Dakota also way up (at 2X the case rate of Hawaii, per capita - wonder where all the folks saying the sky was falling in Hawaii are now?) and TX/FL (450/530 per 1MM) are way beyond CA (330/1MM) in deaths per capita. More to come later...

how about the horrific statistics for ny and nj...you should focus almost all your attention on them because there is no way to hide those ugly numbers, you can also add Massachusetts and Connecticut to your analysis

 

[Zak57]

They def had a spike within the past week, and their deaths, while still very low have been increasing steadily over the past 2 months.

Need to see how it plays out but the Governor's reluctance to respond(just said 25K will be allowed at Iowa football games) makes it more concerning.

At this point they have only banned straight up bars and not restaurants/bars and everything else open as normal. Read that the gov also might raise the drinking age to 25 thinking that would help.

 

[bac2therac]

Long-Haulers Are Redefining COVID-19

Without understanding the lingering illness that some patients experience, we can’t understand the pandemic.

www.theatlantic.com

A dilemma for 'long-haulers': Many can't prove they ever had Covid-19

A significant number of "long-haulers" face a very specific challenge: Convincing others they had Covid-19 in the first place.

www.statnews.com

COVID-19 Can Last for Several Months

The disease’s “long-haulers” have endured relentless waves of debilitating symptoms—and disbelief from doctors and friends.

www.theatlantic.com

remember alot of people suffer from chronic fatigue syndrome..

 

[T2Kplus10]

interesting to note that no one here breakdowns the new deaths and their ages

Or comorbidities and risk factors.

 

[King of S]

They def had a spike within the past week, and their deaths, while still very low have been increasing steadily over the past 2 months.

Need to see how it plays out but the Governor's reluctance to respond(just said 25K will be allowed at Iowa football games) makes it more concerning.

Because Covid is only hitting Iowa now. Just like it went through other parts of the country.

 

[ArminRU]

interesting to note that no one here breakdowns the new deaths and their ages

Numbers posted a good study with age range mortality rates last week I think. Data by age is hard to come by.

 

[ArminRU]

Fauci feeling fairly confident that a vaccine will be ready by year end. Wonder if he got some trial whispers from Moderna/Pfizer/Oxford...

 

[ScarletNut]

Or comorbidities and risk factors.

I'm not sure the relevance. If an 82 year old with heart disease and diabetes gets COVID and dies now because of the infection instead of in 6 months or a year or more from his comorbidities, does that make it acceptable? If COVID brought about a premature death in this individual, reducing his time with his family and loved ones, is that acceptable? Is COVID not the immediate cause of death despite his comorbidities?

 

[bac2therac]

should we count dementia deaths due to poor treatment in nursing homes and no visitations allowed as corona deaths too or should we count them as lockdown deaths...how many lockdown deaths do we have

 

[bac2therac]

Because Covid is only hitting Iowa now. Just like it went through other parts of the country.

yup...when are people going to realize that it comes in waves at different times and everyones graph follows the same trajectory albeit with different numbers and deaths

 

[fsg2]

The fear mongers on here will blast your valid theory and facts. For some this thread has consumed their lives and they can never admit that they wasted the last 6 months of their lives on this. So they fight and call out anyone who doesn't tow their biased opinions.

I like how bot2rot liked your post. He's wasted more time on this thread than anyone. That's before we get into the insane time he wastes on the board at large, every waking moment of his life. Lmao.

 

[fsg2]

i wonder when this is over if there will be a sizable group of people going through withdrawl that have consumed their social media with talk of coronavirus. We already have the so called long haulers who never tested positive but insist they have it and blame their myriad of symptoms they currently have on it, the same people who likely would have all those symptoms in any other year.

Holy shit! You actually made it funnier with the double down.

For your own good, please Google "self awareness" and reverse engineer easy-read instructions from the definition you find.

 

[bac2therac]

I like how bot2rot liked your post. He's wasted more time on this thread than anyone. That's before we get into the insane time he wastes on the board at large, every waking moment of his life. Lmao.

Jealousy is a bitch aint it

BDS....bac derangement syndrome

 

[cohwx]

I'm not sure the relevance. If an 82 year old with heart disease and diabetes gets COVID and dies now because of the infection instead of in 6 months or a year or more from his comorbidities, does that make it acceptable? If COVID brought about a premature death in this individual, reducing his time with his family and loved ones, is that acceptable? Is COVID not the immediate cause of death despite his comorbidities?

It seems to be acceptable to many, as long as it's not their loved ones.

 

[rutgersdave]

Says the guy who is on this thread day after day.

Other than numbers, he comes in second with most posts in this thread. This board is his life.

 

[RU848789]

how about the horrific statistics for ny and nj...you should focus almost all your attention on them because there is no way to hide those ugly numbers, you can also add Massachusetts and Connecticut to your analysis

Spent weeks talking about them in real time, in far more detail than I've posted about any other states, or did you happen to miss all those posts? I don't see a lot of value in rehashing, although I do compare the 2nd wave states about once a week to NJ/NY in the first wave, just for comparison's sake. If you would just read more, maybe you'd whine less.

 

[King of S]

Fauci feeling fairly confident that a vaccine will be ready by year end. Wonder if he got some trial whispers from Moderna/Pfizer/Oxford...

He even stated today - available by November??

 

[King of S]

He even stated today - available by November??

Back in the RAC by January??

 

[fsg2]

Jealousy is a bitch aint it

BDS....bac derangement syndrome

You have absolutely nothing for anyone here to be jealous of.

You're much more analogous to a swarm of biting midges - an irritating nuisance that's sometimes downright painful and just doesn't go away. Worse than a mosquito, basically. And slightly less intelligent.

 

[fsg2]

Other than numbers, he comes in second with most posts in this thread.

Did you count, because that'd be hilarious. Difference for anyone who's read no posts in this thread: #s brings more value to the thread than anyone, bag brings fake news, disingenuous questions and pure trolling.

 

[bac2therac]

Spent weeks talking about them in real time, in far more detail than I've posted about any other states, or did you happen to miss all those posts? I don't see a lot of value in rehashing, although I do compare the 2nd wave states about once a week to NJ/NY in the first wave, just for comparison's sake. If you would just read more, maybe you'd whine less.

you keep bringing up Texas and Florida constantly....the bigger story long haul is NY and NJ and Mass

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

We likely have about 30MM infected now (about 5X more than PCR positives), so we're already there and heading a lot higher - remember, that 22MM number you quoted wasn't positively confirmed cases, that was from a CDC model estimating cases. 60MM with a 0.02% fatality ratio is only 12K vs. typical flu with 34MM infected and an IFR around 0.1% (~34K deaths) and we have COVID with potentially at least 50% of the US infected (165MM) and a 0.5-1.0% IFR, which translates to 800K-1600K dead, although the IFR is coming down in the 2nd wave due to improved procedures/treatments, so maybe halve that number now. 400-800K is still a lot of Americans who might die.

I also have zero idea why you're recounting the history of vaccine production for influenza and H1N1 - it's well known that influenza vaccines are not 100% effective and that they're grown using eggs and contain residual albumin, which has been shown to be an extraordinarily low risk, i.e., <1 in 1MM people suffer significant adverse events. If we ever encounter an H1N1 or other influenza virus that is much more lethal, like the 1918 pandemic's version of H1N1, we better come up with a good vaccine very quickly, although keep in mind that that same 1918 H1N1 virus would likely cause significantly fewer deaths today - a decent percentage died from secondary bacterial infections (they had no good antibiotics back then). And yes, there should be no reason we couldn't use eggs for the old school attenuated/deactivated viral vaccine approach, which only China is using (Sinovac is using eggs). Do you have a specific concern with that?

Lastly - lose the silly "chicomvirus" name - nobody else uses it and it makes you appear uneducated.

Firstly, chicomvirus perfectly describes the worst pandemic the world has experienced since, wait for it, the 1918 SPANISH flu. Are you offended by what that pandemic was called? How about Ebola? Lymes Disease? MERS? LOL, what a hack snowflake.

So did you forget that you brought up the H1N1 vaccine as a crowning achievement for Bama-O'Biden? I don't think you're that old to be so forgetful, who knows though. Yeh you have zero idea why I responded accordingly...lmao. Of course your complete partisan dishonesty was revealed in your cheerleading of the H1N1 vaccine timeline, just like your pom-poms for the speedy H1N1 test development. Funny you didn't mention that the Swine Flu test was easily adapted from approved tests for various influenza strains before the '2009 H1N1 outbreak:
Just before the 2009 swine flu outbreak, the CDC had developed a “five target assay” to test for various influenza strains, receiving FDA approval to distribute the test kits under conditions that it first train lab workers to use them.

That training already had happened when the CDC submitted an emergency authorization application for swine flu. After the FDA quickly approved it, kits with the swine flu test began shipping on May 1, 2009. By September, more than 1 million tests were deployed to more than 120 local and state public health labs and 250 others worldwide.

“The test was already approved, so it was easy for the CDC to just swap in H1N1 as a strain in that test,” Sharfstein said. “We had surveillance out very quickly and other (commercial) tests soon followed.“

The novel coronavirus isn’t a flu, and so a new diagnostic test needed to be developed. Scientists in China, where the disease originated, had identified and posted the virus’s gene sequence on the World Health Organization website.

‘Single point of failure’: The CDC’s past successes with an FDA process set the table for coronavirus testing debacle

In past public health emergencies, federal officials found success with a fast-track approval route to roll out test kits. This time, with COVID-19, that emergency process failed spectacularly.

www.seattletimes.com

But "chicomvirus" upsets you and your CNN fanboys...thanks for confirming how perfect that term is!

 

[fsg2]

Firstly, chicomvirus perfectly describes the worst pandemic the world has experienced since, wait for it, the 1918 SPANISH flu. Are you offended by what that pandemic was called? How about Ebola? Lymes Disease? MERS? LOL, what a hack snowflake.

So did you forget that you brought up the H1N1 vaccine as a crowning achievement for Bama-O'Biden? I don't think you're that old to be so forgetful, who knows though. Yeh you have zero idea why I responded accordingly...lmao. Of course your complete partisan dishonesty was revealed in your cheerleading of the H1N1 vaccine timeline, just like your pom-poms for the speedy H1N1 test development. Funny you didn't mention that the Swine Flu test was easily adapted from approved tests for various influenza strains before the '2009 H1N1 outbreak:
Just before the 2009 swine flu outbreak, the CDC had developed a “five target assay” to test for various influenza strains, receiving FDA approval to distribute the test kits under conditions that it first train lab workers to use them.

That training already had happened when the CDC submitted an emergency authorization application for swine flu. After the FDA quickly approved it, kits with the swine flu test began shipping on May 1, 2009. By September, more than 1 million tests were deployed to more than 120 local and state public health labs and 250 others worldwide.

“The test was already approved, so it was easy for the CDC to just swap in H1N1 as a strain in that test,” Sharfstein said. “We had surveillance out very quickly and other (commercial) tests soon followed.“

The novel coronavirus isn’t a flu, and so a new diagnostic test needed to be developed. Scientists in China, where the disease originated, had identified and posted the virus’s gene sequence on the World Health Organization website.

‘Single point of failure’: The CDC’s past successes with an FDA process set the table for coronavirus testing debacle

In past public health emergencies, federal officials found success with a fast-track approval route to roll out test kits. This time, with COVID-19, that emergency process failed spectacularly.

www.seattletimes.com

But "chicomvirus" upsets you and your CNN fanboys...thanks for confirming how perfect that term is!

I'm not offended by it; it's simply not what it's called. People using the term are the ones trying to make an issue, not vice versa.

Along with examples of place names that stuck, there are examples of other viruses having their actual proper names changed because the location in question didn't want to be associated with it.

 

[ScarletNut]

Firstly, chicomvirus perfectly describes the worst pandemic the world has experienced since, wait for it, the 1918 SPANISH flu. Are you offended by what that pandemic was called? How about Ebola? Lymes Disease? MERS? LOL, what a hack snowflake.

So did you forget that you brought up the H1N1 vaccine as a crowning achievement for Bama-O'Biden? I don't think you're that old to be so forgetful, who knows though. Yeh you have zero idea why I responded accordingly...lmao. Of course your complete partisan dishonesty was revealed in your cheerleading of the H1N1 vaccine timeline, just like your pom-poms for the speedy H1N1 test development. Funny you didn't mention that the Swine Flu test was easily adapted from approved tests for various influenza strains before the '2009 H1N1 outbreak:
Just before the 2009 swine flu outbreak, the CDC had developed a “five target assay” to test for various influenza strains, receiving FDA approval to distribute the test kits under conditions that it first train lab workers to use them.

That training already had happened when the CDC submitted an emergency authorization application for swine flu. After the FDA quickly approved it, kits with the swine flu test began shipping on May 1, 2009. By September, more than 1 million tests were deployed to more than 120 local and state public health labs and 250 others worldwide.

“The test was already approved, so it was easy for the CDC to just swap in H1N1 as a strain in that test,” Sharfstein said. “We had surveillance out very quickly and other (commercial) tests soon followed.“

The novel coronavirus isn’t a flu, and so a new diagnostic test needed to be developed. Scientists in China, where the disease originated, had identified and posted the virus’s gene sequence on the World Health Organization website.

‘Single point of failure’: The CDC’s past successes with an FDA process set the table for coronavirus testing debacle

In past public health emergencies, federal officials found success with a fast-track approval route to roll out test kits. This time, with COVID-19, that emergency process failed spectacularly.

www.seattletimes.com

But "chicomvirus" upsets you and your CNN fanboys...thanks for confirming how perfect that term is!

What does “chicomvirus” mean? Serious question since I’ve only seen it in this thread.

 

[ArminRU]

What does “chicomvirus” mean? Serious question since I’ve only seen it in this thread.

I was thinking the same thing. Legit thought he couldn’t spell it, and if it’s supposed to be a joke, nobody gets it. Must be neckbeard humor.

 

[WhiteBus]

Says the guy who is on this thread day after day.

Not more than you!