Destructive Approach by Some is Alarming

[ScarletKid2008]

It seems as some people's natural reaction when things go wrong is that they want everyone and everything associated with RU to burn. Everyone according to these type people have bad intentions, is not qualified, should be fired. And the only solution offered is "well Flood isn't the guy that we know for sure". All the meanwhile disparaging Flood, Hermann, Barchi, Towers, and just about everyone else. These people do not provide any well thought out analysis of the current situation, any potential solutions (and counterpoints) which are based on facts. Facts are documented & supportable numbers or quotes (in context of the topic/conversation).

These are the type of people that raise chaos - just because they're not happy with a situation. The idiot who just yells in the stands, "fire him" "you suck" "F Penn St/Navy" .. the type of person who thinks flying a plane over practice or a game is a good way to get their voice heard. I'm actually okay with the GoFund me approach because that is somewhat like a petition in numbers. It will go away if the numbers aren't that impressive - and if the numbers can't be ignored then action will be taken. But publicly shaming our team, program and school is something I will not stand for from our "fans".

 

[RUgrad75]

Problem with go fund me

Used RU legal tax ID charitable account without permission and deceived public that RU supported this by doing so

 

[theRU]

Problem with go fund me

Used RU legal tax ID charitable account without permission and deceived public that RU supported this by doing so

FALSE

Stop spreading lies and misinformation

I realize that they didn't have the internet in 1975 but you should probably have figured out how to use it by now.

 

[SirScarlet]

It seems as some people's natural reaction when things go wrong is that they want everyone and everything associated with RU to burn. Everyone according to these type people have bad intentions, is not qualified, should be fired. And the only solution offered is "well Flood isn't the guy that we know for sure". All the meanwhile disparaging Flood, Hermann, Barchi, Towers, and just about everyone else. These people do not provide any well thought out analysis of the current situation, any potential solutions (and counterpoints) which are based on facts. Facts are documented & supportable numbers or quotes (in context of the topic/conversation).

These are the type of people that raise chaos - just because they're not happy with a situation. The idiot who just yells in the stands, "fire him" "you suck" "F Penn St/Navy" .. the type of person who thinks flying a plane over practice or a game is a good way to get their voice heard. I'm actually okay with the GoFund me approach because that is somewhat like a petition in numbers. It will go away if the numbers aren't that impressive - and if the numbers can't be ignored then action will be taken. But publicly shaming our team, program and school is something I will not stand for from our "fans".

Kid - i would agree that there are a ton of those folks on these boards. And they are annoying as heck. I will never understand how someone things good can come from RU being embarassed publicly. I understand the pov/rationale - I just vehemently disagree with it.

That said, there are also many people on here who give thoughtful rationale as to why things are in the crappy shape that they're in.

The challenge/pain is sifting through it all to tell which is which ;)

 

[theRU]

I agree. lets not do banners or anything stupid. We need to continue to pool money and use that as the tool to get what we want.

 

[derleider]

I agree. lets not do banners or anything stupid. We need to continue to pool money and use that as the tool to get what we want.

Im sure RU will welcome our $1000 contribution towards a multlimillion dollar coaching change.

 

[theRU]

Im sure RU will welcome our $1000 contribution towards a multlimillion dollar coaching change.

Der i dont get you anymore. We came up with over 8000 in less than 36 hours. That was also without it being publicly searchable on the actual go fund me website. It was as "Word of mouth" as it could get.

You should be happy that 130 people were willing to give that money to the school instead of shitting on it.

 

[mikemarc1]

Im sure RU will welcome our $1000 contribution towards a multlimillion dollar coaching change.

In that case, I should stop contributing if they aren't gonna welcome my <$1000 contribution each year towards their multimillion dollar department. Surely hope they'd welcome it.

 

[RUJohnny99]

Problem with go fund me

Used RU legal tax ID charitable account without permission and deceived public that RU supported this by doing so

You keep posting this lie on every social media outlet.

It doesn't make it true. It makes you look like a fool to anyone who has any sense of technology savvy.

Why do you continue spreading a lie?

 

[Scarlet4ever]

If the fanbase had any faith that RU would appropriately follow through after the season and change coaches if necessary, then there would be far less outcry and impatience from the fanbase. We have basically been told for 4 years that we can't afford better and we are satisfied with the status quo. It's been leaked to us that we are too poor to do anything even if we wanted to and nobody else wants to coach here anyway. Meanwhiile we spend millions of dollars every year on outside counsel, internal investigations into minor transgressions, and politically correct audits of departments to try to prove to the SL that we are doing business honorably.

Is there a better way to have our voices heard and help to work towards changes when they are necessary? Yes. But the RU administration should be working with the fanbase to facilitate solutions. Where is a coaches fund that I can donate to.....so that when a change is needed RU has the money available and can make something happen without begging high donors to honor pledges that they made or have to negotiate with donors on which potential coaches would be acceptable to them rather than Hermann getting the best qualified coach she could find.

 

[Caliknight]

You keep posting this lie on every social media outlet.

It doesn't make it true. It makes you look like a fool to anyone who has any sense of technology savvy.

Why do you continue spreading a lie?

He graduated in 1975 apparently. Perhaps he just isn't aware of how things work now?

 

[ClassOf02]

Im sure RU will welcome our $1000 contribution towards a multlimillion dollar coaching change.

There's really no point in being so dismissive about this, unless you're doing it for the sake of being your typical contrarian self, in which case you should really post one of those long dissertation posts of yours instead.

 

[jerzey devil]

FALSE

Stop spreading lies and misinformation

I realize that they didn't have the internet in 1975 but you should probably have figured out how to use it by now.

Didn't the Rutgers Foundation themselves call it an "illegitimate" campaign?

 

[MidwestKnights]

You keep posting this lie on every social media outlet.

It doesn't make it true. It makes you look like a fool to anyone who has any sense of technology savvy.

Why do you continue spreading a lie?

Maybe that's his job...

 

[theRU]

Didn't the Rutgers Foundation themselves call it an "illegitimate" campaign?

They can call it whatever they want, nobody understands how they arrived at that conclusion. More appropriate is that they do not endorse it, however it is very legitimate

Go ahead and start a new campaign right now titled "my dog died please donate to ru foundation" i'll donate 50 bucks. Lets see if they refuse that.

Do you accept the challenge?

 

[lighty]

Didn't the Rutgers Foundation themselves call it an "illegitimate" campaign?

Probably because THEY as well as many here fail to understand the concept. Someone from the Rutgers Foundation put their name in the database to allow people to raise money on their behalf. Nobody forced them to do that and it happened prior to the start of the Fire Flood campaign.

Just another case where Rutgers doesn't understand what it's doing.

 

[BigRnj]

Der i dont get you anymore. We came up with over 8000 in less than 36 hours. That was also without it being publicly searchable on the actual go fund me website. It was as "Word of mouth" as it could get.

You should be happy that 130 people were willing to give that money to the school instead of shitting on it.

theRU, you have to know that what you and others are portraying as significant results is anything but (woo hoo $8K from 130). You have only signed up the most rabid "anti's" on this board. It is the equivalent of preaching to the choir. The HUGE majority of RU supporters, including many of us that are very unhappy with the current situation and agree (maybe for different reasons) that Flood should go, look at the fundraising effort and the suggestions for banners, boycotts, and hunger strikes as desperate and embarrassing acts. The "off with their heads" crowd that is leading this charge reminds me of the media types that latch on to the negative and beat it to death. The way this business of college football works is pretty simple, success brings job security, failure brings a new coaching staff. Mr. Flood's performance and his embarrassing Princeton side show have moved his stock well into the failure side of the equation. Admins/BOG members know this and can be reminded of this in a less "emotional" and more credible way (Contact them directly). We should all try it and perhaps we will be taken more seriously.

 

[theRU]

theRU, you have to know that what you and others are portraying as significant results is anything but (woo hoo $8K from 130). You have only signed up the most rabid "anti's" on this board. It is the equivalent of preaching to the choir. The HUGE majority of RU supporters, including many of us that are very unhappy with the current situation and agree (maybe for different reasons) that Flood should go, look at the fundraising effort and the suggestions for banners, boycotts, and hunger strikes as desperate and embarrassing acts. The "off with their heads" crowd that is leading this charge reminds me of the media types that latch on to the negative and beat it to death. The way this business of college football works is pretty simple, success brings job security, failure brings a new coaching staff. Mr. Flood's performance and his embarrassing Princeton side show have moved his stock well into the failure side of the equation. Admins/BOG members know this and can be reminded of this in a less "emotional" and more credible way (Contact them directly). We should all try it and perhaps we will be taken more seriously.

I dont agree. I've sent several emails without any acknowledgement. I start a fundraiser which ultimately gives more money to the school, but also send the message of our collective voices... and the school responds that it is rejecting the money.

 

[bac2therac]

It seems as some people's natural reaction when things go wrong is that they want everyone and everything associated with RU to burn. Everyone according to these type people have bad intentions, is not qualified, should be fired. And the only solution offered is "well Flood isn't the guy that we know for sure". All the meanwhile disparaging Flood, Hermann, Barchi, Towers, and just about everyone else. These people do not provide any well thought out analysis of the current situation, any potential solutions (and counterpoints) which are based on facts. Facts are documented & supportable numbers or quotes (in context of the topic/conversation).

These are the type of people that raise chaos - just because they're not happy with a situation. The idiot who just yells in the stands, "fire him" "you suck" "F Penn St/Navy" .. the type of person who thinks flying a plane over practice or a game is a good way to get their voice heard. I'm actually okay with the GoFund me approach because that is somewhat like a petition in numbers. It will go away if the numbers aren't that impressive - and if the numbers can't be ignored then action will be taken. But publicly shaming our team, program and school is something I will not stand for from our "fans".

this is a great post. One thing true about RU fans, when they sense weakness instead of joining together they all start pushing their own separate agendas and become fragmented. The Star Ledger loves doing this and our fans fall for it hook line and sinker. Whether its Barchi, Schiano, Mulcahy, Julie, TP, Rice, Flood, etc RU fans never know when its time to shut up and fall line....AND Im not saying you cant have your own opinions about things but too often our fans are so interested in burning the whole place down because they have a stick up their but about someone or something

 

[RUckusbuck]

Im sure RU will welcome our $1000 contribution towards a multlimillion dollar coaching change.

I got five on it....

 

[RUsSKii]

theRU, you have to know that what you and others are portraying as significant results is anything but (woo hoo $8K from 130). You have only signed up the most rabid "anti's" on this board. It is the equivalent of preaching to the choir. The HUGE majority of RU supporters, including many of us that are very unhappy with the current situation and agree (maybe for different reasons) that Flood should go, look at the fundraising effort and the suggestions for banners, boycotts, and hunger strikes as desperate and embarrassing acts. The "off with their heads" crowd that is leading this charge reminds me of the media types that latch on to the negative and beat it to death. The way this business of college football works is pretty simple, success brings job security, failure brings a new coaching staff. Mr. Flood's performance and his embarrassing Princeton side show have moved his stock well into the failure side of the equation. Admins/BOG members know this and can be reminded of this in a less "emotional" and more credible way (Contact them directly). We should all try it and perhaps we will be taken more seriously.

Over $8k was raised in an online campaign not searchable to the public from 130 people in a matter of 36 hours. You are kidding yourself if you think that donations would not have significantly (possibly exponentially) increased in a matter of days or weeks, given Rutgers' initial reaction (which lended legitimacy to an otherwise little-known GoFundMe campaign, the press that the initiative was subsequently receiving, and game losses possibly continuing to pile up.

We agree that Flood needs to be fired, but can agree to disagree on whether this is a rational yet effective way to get the administration's attention from a portion of the fanbase that showed it can collectively donate in significant amounts to the university for a cause that they feel strongly about.

 

[Knight Shift]

this is a great post. One thing true about RU fans, when they sense weakness instead of joining together they all start pushing their own separate agendas and become fragmented. The Star Ledger loves doing this and our fans fall for it hook line and sinker. Whether its Barchi, Schiano, Mulcahy, Julie, TP, Rice, Flood, etc RU fans never know when its time to shut up and fall line....AND Im not saying you cant have your own opinions about things but too often our fans are so interested in burning the whole place down because they have a stick up their but about someone or something

Agreed. That's why people should not be attacked for not falling in line with the "fire Flood immediately" sentiment. There are few people left on this board who support Flood being retained as head coach (or at least openly admit it). I understand the sentiment of instant gratification, but this has to be measured against the fiscal reality. And I am prepared for another year of Flood as head coach. However, at a minimum, I think the administration will support a new DC and/or OC next year.

 

[YoucancallmeRay]

Agreed. That's why people should not be attacked for not falling in line with the "fire Flood immediately" sentiment. There are few people left on this board who support Flood being retained as head coach (or at least openly admit it). I understand the sentiment of instant gratification, but this has to be measured against the fiscal reality. And I am prepared for another year of Flood as head coach. However, at a minimum, I think the administration will support a new DC and/or OC next year.

I think it started with Flood choosing Laviano to start, the "experts" here disagreed, and the knives came out. Most football writers picked RU to have 4 or 5 wins and that may be where it ends up. Just ignore Flood overachieving last year, the young OL, secondary, injuries, etc. We should be able to compete with Ohio St, Mich, Mich St, immediately or else I'm going to have a hissy-fit.

 

[theRU]

I think it started with Flood choosing Laviano to start, the "experts" here disagreed, and the knives came out. Most football writers picked RU to have 4 or 5 wins and that may be where it ends up. Just ignore Flood overachieving last year, the young OL, secondary, injuries, etc. We should be able to compete with Ohio St, Mich, Mich St, immediately or else I'm going to have a hissy-fit.

If last year is an overachievement at 2-5 in the big 10 then i'd hate to see what underachieving looks like.

 

[YoucancallmeRay]

If last year is an overachievement at 2-5 in the big 10 then i'd hate to see what underachieving looks like.

He was 8-5 with a bowl win over North Carolina. That's an overachievement. And a win over Michigan. Do you really expect RU to defeat Ohio St, Mich. St, and the other power schools? This is the reality for awhile. It will take time to build the program, regardless of the coach.

 

[RU62]

TheRU...nice try but your fund me program isn't going to work as it has several holes in it that it's hard to logically understand how people will toss away $$$ without any legitimate accountability as to where it really is going, who is collecting it and contrary to what you may try to imply it is not tax exempt nor is it a charitable contribution for the donor unless the organization has a bona fide 501c3 status which you nowhere have provided. P.T. Barnum.was correct!

Now to the real underlying issue. What many people are expressing and pethaps might like to see happen is admirable and even valid. So here is a suggestion that costs nearly nothing and just might have greater impact to make Rutgers administrators take notice.

If 500 or so people would email or contact Barchi and JH and say they probably will not be be renewing 2 of their season tickets if things remain status quo this would have some impact. Why, because we are talking about a potential loss of $800,000-$1 million in revenue. Here's the numbers on average...1,000 season tickets at a range of $800+ for a pair including required seat donations. Now we are talking something big in addition to 500 people voicing a strong opinion nicely and with little effort. I for one would sign up for a campaign like this. Clean, simple and effective. And if Barchi can't see and understand this then he is a bigger bozo than we all might imagine.

 

[theRU]

He was 8-5 with a bowl win over North Carolina. That's an overachievement. And a win over Michigan. Do you really expect RU to defeat Ohio St, Mich. St, and the other power schools? This is the reality for awhile. It will take time to build the program, regardless of the coach.

if we dont expect to beat those schools then, he didn't overachieve he simply met expectations in year 1.

 

[theRU]

TheRU...nice try but your fund me program isn't going to work as it has several holes in it that it's hard to logically understand how people will toss away $$$ without any legitimate accountability as to where it really is going, who is collecting it and contrary to what you may try to imply it is not tax exempt nor is it a charitable contribution for the donor unless the organization has a bona fide 501c3 status which you nowhere have provided. P.T. Barnum.was correct!

Now to the real underlying issue. What many people are expressing and pethaps might like to see happen is admirable and even valid. So here is a suggestion that costs nearly nothing and just might have greater impact to make Rutgers administrators take notice.

If 500 or so people would email or contact Barchi and JH and say they probably will not be be renewing 2 of their season tickets if things remain status quo this would have some impact. Why, because we are talking about a potential loss of $800,000-$1 million in revenue. Here's the numbers on average...1,000 season tickets at a range of $800+ for a pair including required seat donations. Now we are talking something big in addition to 500 people voicing a strong opinion nicely and with little effort. I for one would sign up for a campaign like this. Clean, simple and effective. And if Barchi can't see and understand this then he is a bigger bozo than we all might imagine.

Hey imbecile,

https://www.gofundme.com/charity/

https://www.gofundme.com/charity-donations

http://support.gofundme.com/hc/en-us/articles/203604684-Is-my-donation-tax-deductible-

http://support.gofundme.com/hc/en-u...on-profit-get-on-your-Certified-Charity-list-

Read these and get back to me.

If you can read at all.

 

[MoobyCow]

Agreed. That's why people should not be attacked for not falling in line with the "fire Flood immediately" sentiment. There are few people left on this board who support Flood being retained as head coach (or at least openly admit it). I understand the sentiment of instant gratification, but this has to be measured against the fiscal reality. And I am prepared for another year of Flood as head coach. However, at a minimum, I think the administration will support a new DC and/or OC next year.

God I hope we don't keep Flood and cycle through new coordinators again. Enough with that. If we're keeping the guy, keep the staff as well.

 

[RU5781]

He graduated in 1975 apparently. Perhaps he just isn't aware of how things work now?

It's a she...

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I had zero problems with gofundme, since it was funny and it was a good public protest that didn't hurt anyone.

Of course there will always be those that take things too far.

Forest from the trees folks.

Lets let things play out. Let the season finish and let the investigations finish.

Rutgers must know that fan morale is at a all time low. I don't think they will let their cash cow die. Just saying.

 

[cRURah]

I think it started with Flood choosing Laviano to start, the "experts" here disagreed, and the knives came out. Most football writers picked RU to have 4 or 5 wins and that may be where it ends up. Just ignore Flood overachieving last year, the young OL, secondary, injuries, etc. We should be able to compete with Ohio St, Mich, Mich St, immediately or else I'm going to have a hissy-fit.

Please stop with all the excuses. This is football, shat happens. It's the coaches responsibility to build depth by recruiting and developing good back-ups at all positions. Flood just doesn't have it. What else do you need to see?

 

[theRU]

I'm fine with people debating whether it worked or not, whether it was the best thing to do or not... but what really pisses me off is when people challenge my integrity, that i went out there and set up a fraudulent account in the name of Rutgers. I cannot tolerate that, I AM A GODDAMN RUTGERS MAN

 

[ru8081]

I'm fine with people debating whether it worked or not, whether it was the best thing to do or not... but what really pisses me off is when people challenge my integrity, that i went out there and set up a fraudulent account in the name of Rutgers. I cannot tolerate that, I AM A GODDAMN RUTGERS MAN

theRU: I appreciate your hard work and what you did. We need more like you.

 

[RU5781]

I'm fine with people debating whether it worked or not, whether it was the best thing to do or not... but what really pisses me off is when people challenge my integrity, that i went out there and set up a fraudulent account in the name of Rutgers. I cannot tolerate that, I AM A GODDAMN RUTGERS MAN

We know you are on the up and up. It's the few Floodbots here that are trying to discredit you.
And you gotta love it. They would rather discredit a good person rather than fire a bad football coach. It boggles the mind.

 

[zappaa]

He was 8-5 with a bowl win over North Carolina. That's an overachievement. And a win over Michigan. Do you really expect RU to defeat Ohio St, Mich. St, and the other power schools? This is the reality for awhile. It will take time to build the program, regardless of the coach.

Troll...
You claim to have read these boards for a while, yet you make ridiculous comments like we expect to defeat OSU?
How about looking like a well organized, cohesive, semi competitive team with an actual assemnlance of a game plan...we'd all take that in defeat and be happy.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

TheRU...nice try but your fund me program isn't going to work as it has several holes in it that it's hard to logically understand how people will toss away $$$ without any legitimate accountability as to where it really is going, who is collecting it and contrary to what you may try to imply it is not tax exempt nor is it a charitable contribution for the donor unless the organization has a bona fide 501c3 status which you nowhere have provided. P.T. Barnum.was correct!

Nice work -- You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The 501(c)(3) is Rutgers University Foundation. It says that right on the webpage. That is where the money goes. Gofundme collects the funds, and distributes them to the named charity. Rutgers would not be bound by the "purpose" to fire flood. They could've used the money however they wanted. Anyone can start a campaign asking people to give to any charity they like.

Gofundme is a legitimate business, and will not distribute the funds anywhere other than to the designated charity. You really shouldn't impugn people's character if you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

He was 8-5 with a bowl win over North Carolina. That's an overachievement. And a win over Michigan. Do you really expect RU to defeat Ohio St, Mich. St, and the other power schools? This is the reality for awhile. It will take time to build the program, regardless of the coach.

We beat a Michigan team that was losing to everyone in sight. We were supposed to beat that Michigan team. I hate when people whitewash wins and losses based on "name" without any analysis.

Also, it is not the failure to beat OSU and MSU. Most fans would accept that. It is the constant blowout losses, and the total inability to recruit at an acceptable level that are concerning the rational fans. Its the god awful record against opponents with winning records. Its the fact that our defensive ranking has been plummeting since Flood took over. Its the fact that we continually try to force our personnel to run a system it is poorly equipped to run, and ask players to execute plays that are well outside of their skillsets. Its our inability to exploit matchup weaknesses against our opponents, and our inability to game plan for the manner in which other teams will try to exploit us.

 

[lighty]

"TheRU...nice try but your fund me program isn't going to work as it has several holes in it that it's hard to logically understand how people will toss away $$$ without any legitimate accountability as to where it really is going, who is collecting it and contrary to what you may try to imply it is not tax exempt nor is it a charitable contribution for the donor unless the organization has a bona fide 501c3 status which you nowhere have provided. P.T. Barnum.was correct!"


I honestly didn't know there were so many people here that have zero experience with crowdfunding sites. It's rather amazing the level of technical ignorance being posted.

One visit to the Fire Flood page would have given you all of the information you claim didn't exist.

 

[YoucancallmeRay]

Troll...
You claim to have read these boards for a while, yet you make ridiculous comments like we expect to defeat OSU?
How about looking like a well organized, cohesive, semi competitive team with an actual assemnlance of a game plan...we'd all take that in defeat and be happy.

How about showing a little respect for my position instead of calling me a troll? We looked terrible against the last three schools, but how do you account for Mich. St, Wash. St., (I know we lost, but it could have gone the other way too) and the comeback against Indiana. And what about last year? Did Flood suddenly forget what it took to go 8-5 and a bowl win?