Destructive Approach by Some is Alarming
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you really need to work on your people skills. Your taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back ,..at best... did any body ever teach you manners?
This thread will go on until the one(s) who hold the pen are somehow "offended" or "accused" because they agree with those who yell the loudest on here.
And they know who they are.
suggakane,
Oh i have manners, i just choose to ignore them when dealing with this person. They deserve it.
I also find it ironic that you dont question the condescending tone of RU62 for questioning where my degree is from.
Like i said, that was my final post. You can look at my post history and usually i'm well mannered unless someone gets under my skin. You reap what you soe, sort of thing. I know its not effective in dealing with the knuckleheads, but it sure feels good!
Just for the record, I absolutely believe that senior people at the University would have never gone through the trouble of getting officially listed with the internet's largest and easiest method of soliciting free money. Only at Rutgers.
As I noted, has anyone confirmed that the Foundation has signed up with these sites. To the best of my knowledge this is not true. Could it possibly be that just about anyone could sign up in the name of any organization including the site owners themselves as a piece of general information.
TheRU....since you are so familiar with gofundme can you direct me to the location where they list the names and tax id of the 501c3 organizations/universities that have apparently registered with them. I haven't been able to find it. All I am saying is show me something of solid proof that Rutgers signed up here and who similar folks are. They may be on the list but who at Rutgrrs actually registered them Again I've been told by a very senior person at the Foundation thst have not signed up with gofundme so perhaps we can compare notes as to who may have done this.
I am sure gofundme and others provide a valuable service for certain groups seeking funds; many of which are probably not 501c3 certified or approved. Groups like this definitely can be helped etc. Just how familiar are you with fund raising, 501c3 organizations and what it takes to obtain and maintain that status and other related obligations? From personal experience I can claim to have set up two qualified organizations and worked at the Rutgers Foundation and am very familiar with what goes on and who would give approval or blessing to using an outside source to solicit funds for them and for what purpose. I can't explain it any simplier. I never said these outside organizations are frauds as they too have to be accountable to donors and IRS for any funds they collect and have certain taxes they have to pay on those funds which are not for 501c3 organizations.
I've offered you to share some thoughts off line and perhaps review some facts that both of us may have regarding charitable donations and tax deductibility rules etc. Just leave your contact info and I'll be certain to follow up.
But please, both you and others, don't make it seem like the Rutgers Foundation is run by a bunch of bozos who know nothing and that these outside groups are far superior because that is what seems to come across. I believe you may also be blinded by the agenda regarding the coaching and that you are discounting the mechanics here and even why your source and purpose of the $$ raised is not acceptable to the Foundation. There are certain liabilities and even tax regulations that are involved. It's that simple. I don't think I can explain it any better in a civil manner.
TheRU....since you are so familiar with gofundme can you direct me to the location where they list the names and tax id of the 501c3 organizations/universities that have apparently registered with them. I haven't been able to find it. All I am saying is show me something of solid proof that Rutgers signed up here and who similar folks are. They may be on the list but who at Rutgrrs actually registered them Again I've been told by a very senior person at the Foundation thst have not signed up with gofundme so perhaps we can compare notes as to who may have done this.
I am sure gofundme and others provide a valuable service for certain groups seeking funds; many of which are probably not 501c3 certified or approved. Groups like this definitely can be helped etc. Just how familiar are you with fund raising, 501c3 organizations and what it takes to obtain and maintain that status and other related obligations? From personal experience I can claim to have set up two qualified organizations and worked at the Rutgers Foundation and am very familiar with what goes on and who would give approval or blessing to using an outside source to solicit funds for them and for what purpose. I can't explain it any simplier. I never said these outside organizations are frauds as they too have to be accountable to donors and IRS for any funds they collect and have certain taxes they have to pay on those funds which are not for 501c3 organizations.
I've offered you to share some thoughts off line and perhaps review some facts that both of us may have regarding charitable donations and tax deductibility rules etc. Just leave your contact info and I'll be certain to follow up.
But please, both you and others, don't make it seem like the Rutgers Foundation is run by a bunch of bozos who know nothing and that these outside groups are far superior because that is what seems to come across. I believe you may also be blinded by the agenda regarding the coaching and that you are discounting the mechanics here and even why your source and purpose of the $$ raised is not acceptable to the Foundation. There are certain liabilities and even tax regulations that are involved. It's that simple. I don't think I can explain it any better in a civil manner.
Who ordered the Code Red?
By the way, it's illegal to register a 501 without their consent.
Please explain, "there are certain liabilities and eve tax regulations that are involved."
There are several attorneys, a VP of Risk Mitigation for a large financial institution and a person with corporate tax experience that you're dancing with in this thread. Please enlighten us on all the inside baseball you got from the Foundation in your "conversation."
While we're at it, please throw out a few plausible reasons why somebody unaffiliated with the University would have entered the Foundation's information into multiple crowd funding sites, if they would have never accepted the funds in the first place? Do you think someone is sitting in their mom's basement entering random charities into crowd funding sites? Or is it GoFundMe doing it? What is the motivation? Please answer with the premise that it is illegal to do it if your fingers are inclined to bang out "GoFundMe did it."
I can only say the Foundation is certainly looking into this and various legal issues. There obviously is nothing wrong to list the names of 501c organizations. Perhaps to unequivocally state that and they have registered with any group/organization to collect funds on their behalf may be as you say. It becomes a fine line to find out how this was done and by whom. I couldn't agree with you more. The basic question appears to be listing and full registration which I think would require full supporting documentation. Maybe we should both ho on line and try yo "register" and see what the specifics may be.
i've sent this to you multiple times..https://www.gofundme.com/charity-donations
I've also searched and I can set up fundraisers to donate to :
ohio state
michigan state
syracuse
american cancer society
american heart association...
62, this sounds like another case of RU backpedaling.
I can almost guarantee you that this was done by a social media intern or very junior "social media coordinator" (probably a recently graduated RU student) at RUF after they were directed to build a better social media presence for giving by a mid-level manager, after the mid-level manager was pushed by Senior people to come up with new strategies for giving, or told to reach out to milliennials, or something vague like that.
Now the junior social media people are no longer there and no one knows what happened with crowdfunding because RU never develops proactive strategies to drive process and culture change. They constantly react.
Now someone takes the bull by the horns, RUF doesn;t like what that person has done on a crowdfunding platform, and they overreact by trying to discredit both the person and the platform instead of trying to use this as an opportunity to engage small donors.
A simple we can't support this campaign, but here are ways to support RU... would have sufficed.
Ding ding ding...winner winner, chicken dinner
This whole "they are a listed partner so they can't stop my PR stunt fundraising campaign even if they wanted to" nonsense is silly.
Just because they signed up with GoFundMe's partner site First Giving doesn't mean they consent to any and all fundraising done on their sites. It doesn't mean they are powerless to make decisions that are associated with their brand/reputation. Any of these agreements are business agreements and are going to give the charity the ability to say no, opt out, and have a level of control.
Just because they signed up with GoFundMe's partner site First Giving doesn't mean they consent to any and all fundraising done on their sites. It doesn't mean they are powerless to make decisions that are associated with their brand/reputation. Any of these agreements are business agreements and are going to give the charity the ability to say no, opt out, and have a level of control.
By the way, I just did a little digging & made a couple phone calls. Gofundme's charitable giving is done through firstgiving.com. In order to be eligible for donations from gofundme, the charity has to first open up a nonprofit account with firstgiving. This account costs $500/year. In addition to the fee, the charity has to provide 501(c) documentation & a bank account the funds are to be deposited into.
So obviously somebody had the brilliant idea to register Rutgers and pay $500/year for who knows how many years, waiting patiently for Kyle Flood to get blown out 3 weeks in a row in order to squeeze 8 grand out of boosters in $10 & $100 increments using Rutgers name.
Makes perfect sense.
yes, opt out, yes say no to fund, yes say its not endorsed or sponsored...but they lied when they said it was illegitimate. They attacked the credibility of us all which is just plain wrong.
No one is making that argument, at least I don't think they are.
But Rutgers, being Rutgers instead of taking lemons and making lemonade (hey small donors $8k in 36 hours with no support, hmm let's engage them in a different way) makes a small matter worse by showing how clueless they are.
Someone, somewhere at RU at some point decided a crowdfunding presence made sense.
Someone uses it and instead of saying we don't support campaigns of this nature, here are ways to support RU...
the RUF through the press and back channels tries to make the platform and the person look like a fraud, of which neither one is guilty of.
It 's just another indication of the small minds and limited worldviews that many of the decision-makers at RU have.
Get over it. You are presenting an entirely distorted view of how they handled it and should have handled it.
They never called it illegitimate or attacked your credibility. Their release called it unauthorized and inappropriate, and that they would not accept the money. None of that is inflammatory or unreasonable.
You are offended that they didn't call you to talk about it? Look at it from their perspective - you are an angry fan that resorted to an anonymous GoFundMe account. Does that sound like someone you can engage in a reasonable conversation? Plus you weren't even putting your own money.If you called and said I have $8,000 to donate but I'm angry about the coach someone would have talked to you. But instead you anonymously asked other people to put the money up.
They never called it illegitimate or attacked your credibility. Their release called it unauthorized and inappropriate, and that they would not accept the money. None of that is inflammatory or unreasonable.
You are offended that they didn't call you to talk about it? Look at it from their perspective - you are an angry fan that resorted to an anonymous GoFundMe account. Does that sound like someone you can engage in a reasonable conversation? Plus you weren't even putting your own money.If you called and said I have $8,000 to donate but I'm angry about the coach someone would have talked to you. But instead you anonymously asked other people to put the money up.
So then what is the argument? The fact that they didn't try to engage 130 people (most of them donating $20 or less) using silly names and insults to an anonymous crowdfunding site? Is that the argument?
Why is there such a disconnect over this?
Nobody other than ru62 has ever argued anything contrary to what you've posted.
People carrying Flood's water have made this about the legitimacy of the campaign AND whether or not the funds would make it to the Foundation. Whether the funds were used to fire Flood or buy sanitary cakes for the pissers in the stadium, we didn't care. The donations were made AS SYMBOLISM--with the added benefit that our University could keep the money either way. That was posted in the 22+ page GoFundMe thread here about 1,500 times. It was posted in follow ups on the GoFundMe campaign. There was never any pretense that the university coudn't do whatever they wished with the money. While we're at it, it was never a realistic goal to raise the $1.5M. That was also symbolic.
Stop trying to impugn the character of a guy who got off his arse to put an effort to the incessant bitching here.
GoFundMe skims 7.9% plus .30 cents per donation off the top. That might be better than many charities that pay a professional fundraiser to shake the can for them but why would I want 8% of my donation to go to a for profit firm? Why would RU want to let them keep that percentage when you can make electronic payments today? Is 8% worth being able to name the fund with your at best snarky goal name?
All I want to know is where the Star Liar in all this?
With their crack investigating skills...why aren't they demanding someone...anyone....be fired from the RUF?
With their crack investigating skills...why aren't they demanding someone...anyone....be fired from the RUF?
some get it some don't if you dont think viral is worth 8% then thats fine. I work with many companies that master social media and 8% is worth it.
would you rather 100% of little or nothing or 92% of something more?
So, what you're saying is that the overhead of the RU Foundation is substantially less than 8%?
And to answer your question, it's allows you, as a fundraiser, to capitalize on the emotion (and the convenience) of those you are targeting. That's why.
Leave that campaign up and watch what would have happened if we get blown out Saturday. Watch what would have happened on the heels of evert coaching blunder, bad play call, fumble, big play surrendered. That's why.
That may seem ugly to you, and that is fine, but that is the power of crowd funding. It is the convergence of emotional ties and convenience. And that is why it is the wave of fundraising's future.
I can sit on my couch watching the game and make a contribution. I can see other's contribute and be excited by that. Their contribution confirms my contribution. I can contribute again. So can they. And I can contribute again. So can they. And it snowballs in ways that check writing or direct electronic contributions to the Foundation can't. There is no viral nature to clicking a direct contribution link.
Seriously. GoFundMe works because it has a defined target and tracking of all the donations. It clearly feeds off of human nature. If RU has something similar setup (and really, every major foundation should), it would make sense to use that, but RU doesn't have something similar so a public, non RU sponsored funding drive doesn't really have much choice. I'm pretty sure the tracking and goal setting gains you more in additional donations than the process of using the site.
A bit off topic but could RU do something like this? Setup a pledge drive for each sport where people can donated based on results on the field:
I pledge $10 per TD
I pledge $100/win
For each round the soccer team advances in the tournament I'll give $100
Why don't they have a public site like a gofundme they can point to so people can crowd source for RU and set these things up themselves?
Edit: Think of the tie in for a sporting site, where rivals could make bets with the loser donating to the winners school.
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Ha ha - how am I impugning the character of anyone?
Who's arguing this wasn't about symbolism?
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Now here's a positive idea. Crowdfunding or crowdfunding opportunities certainly can payoff for Rutgers. In fact, they already use them. I'll bet that they would listen to this idea. Would they implement it? Who knows what the logistics are but if you suggested it to them I'll bet they would take a look at it.
Even better if people volunteered to work with the Touchdown Club to create such a campaign and promote it I'll bet they could get that set up and running either directly through Rutgers or in cooperation with Rutgers and TD Club.
FWIW, I found an RU crowdfunding site.
https://one.rutgers.edu/ They use scalefunder, I have no idea what the costs might be.
https://one.rutgers.edu/ They use scalefunder, I have no idea what the costs might be.
The argument isn't that I wasn't or would never be contacted (why should they call me, I'm a small donor and most of the money I've given to RU over the years goes to specific academic programs) or that 130 small donors should have been contacted and people are pissed at that. It's the repeated disconnects.
Fact: We don't have a culture of giving at RU
Fact: Fans/Alumni (and some old-school key decision-makers at RU too) constantly question the efficacy of small dollar donations
Fact: We have one of the smallest large, elite university endowments in the country
Fact: We have some of the lowest annual contribution rates among our peer and aspirant schools.
At Rutgers there's never any strategy or coherent sense of purpose. Given the above facts the university and the RUF should treat every opportunity as a fundraising opportunity.
Fact: RU could have taken the money from the campaign and used it anyway they see fit,
or if not wanting to support a negative campaign (entirely reasonable) sent some messaging out about helping to reduce the operating deficit by contributing to the RU Athletics general fund or the Scholarship Fund, or the BIG build fund and so on.
RU and RU Athletics needs donors. Every opportunity should be taken to make a specific ask.
Geeze Louise...what part of Rutgers cannot or will not accept any funds designated or camouflaged as a fire Flood Fund. It's not hard to understand. That's a big issue here regardless how it may be contributed. Now if you wanted to guarantee his salary regardless then that mighy be a different story. But be prepared to pony up at least $3/4 - 1.5 million. And why would you leave $100,000 on the table for a fee that could be constructively used elsewhere. THERU but go ahead with your outside find with whomever you may choose but don't expect it to be tax deductible or for donors to receive priority points because the do not qualify
Thank you Mooby for the factual and enlightening information. It appears as though this is the official site/software that the Rutgers Foundation has engaged with to handle its crowd funding programs as iy lists all licensing information and details. It also appears that certain approvals are required to participate. Very, very informative!
I hope Rutgers learned from this how powerful a viral campaign can be to raise funds & use crowdfunding for more stuff.
I'll be honest. I was responsible for a couple of those $1 donations. For $1 I was able to get a funny message across to a couple thousand people. I didn't care if only 91.5 cents went to Rutgers, I didn't think the total would be raised, and I CERTAINLY wasn't cutting a $1 check to Rutgers. But I wanted to be a part of this movement. And a couple other people posting in this thread were responsible for responses too. We were one upping each other & emailing each other back and forth with the grown up version of "top this!"
Imagine if every post on this board about Flood required a dollar donation to get your point across. Imagine if Rutgers started a fund "Buy chalk for Rutgers Newark" with a goal of raising $2000 or a "Make Julie wear red to a game" fund with a goal of raising $5000. Hell, we'd all get a chance to laugh and take pot shots at the silly comment made by others. And that's how the 20&30 year olds are going to be separated from their money. Not by having a kid call them to read a script about how their $100 can make a difference, but by squeezing a dollar or three out of them every couple days, where at the end of the year they've given $500 and don't even realize they've made such a difference.
That's how I would run this, if I were Rutgers. I'd pick a $1,000 or so goal for every one of the 22 teams, and I'd put up a gofundme. You think every member of the gymnastics team doesn't have a boyfriend would want to drop $5 toward his girlfriend's practice rings? And once one boyfriend gives $10, they all have to match that. That's an easy $500-1000 that Rutgers wouldn't otherwise have, just because they're going after the pissed off older generation big fish that posted in this thread and ignoring the guy willing to drop a cup of coffee a week into the till.
I'll be honest. I was responsible for a couple of those $1 donations. For $1 I was able to get a funny message across to a couple thousand people. I didn't care if only 91.5 cents went to Rutgers, I didn't think the total would be raised, and I CERTAINLY wasn't cutting a $1 check to Rutgers. But I wanted to be a part of this movement. And a couple other people posting in this thread were responsible for responses too. We were one upping each other & emailing each other back and forth with the grown up version of "top this!"
Imagine if every post on this board about Flood required a dollar donation to get your point across. Imagine if Rutgers started a fund "Buy chalk for Rutgers Newark" with a goal of raising $2000 or a "Make Julie wear red to a game" fund with a goal of raising $5000. Hell, we'd all get a chance to laugh and take pot shots at the silly comment made by others. And that's how the 20&30 year olds are going to be separated from their money. Not by having a kid call them to read a script about how their $100 can make a difference, but by squeezing a dollar or three out of them every couple days, where at the end of the year they've given $500 and don't even realize they've made such a difference.
That's how I would run this, if I were Rutgers. I'd pick a $1,000 or so goal for every one of the 22 teams, and I'd put up a gofundme. You think every member of the gymnastics team doesn't have a boyfriend would want to drop $5 toward his girlfriend's practice rings? And once one boyfriend gives $10, they all have to match that. That's an easy $500-1000 that Rutgers wouldn't otherwise have, just because they're going after the pissed off older generation big fish that posted in this thread and ignoring the guy willing to drop a cup of coffee a week into the till.
TheRU...did Mooby make his point and explain it nicely with some FACTS? That's all I've been asking and you simply have not had the facts nor did you ever supply and details eho may have signed up with gofundme. And elsewhere a poster followed with solid facts from his conversation with Sarah etc. Again that's the point. Did you ever speak with Sarah or anyone else at the Foundation who is responsible for athletic fund raising...I did and have on several occasions as have others who relayed accurate factual information to us.
Does anyone really believe that nobody at the RU Foundation actually entered the organization with the crowdfunding sites?
The people in senior management might not know about it or might be embarrassed to admit it, but I'm pretty sure somebody from the organization signed them up.
The entire organization cannot be as ignorant of the power of crowdfunding as a few people on this thread are.
The people in senior management might not know about it or might be embarrassed to admit it, but I'm pretty sure somebody from the organization signed them up.
The entire organization cannot be as ignorant of the power of crowdfunding as a few people on this thread are.
