Greg1 ( yes or no)

[MADHAT1]

Before Schiano left for Tampa Bay there were some that wanted him replaced because he never attained the type of program we expected to see after the 2006 season
made Rutgers look like it was turning into a top program.
How did you feel about Schiano in 2011
As for me, I was starting to feel he couldn't bring Rutgers to the next level and wondering if he needed to be replaced to have that happen, but wasn't ready to call for him to be fired.\
But was getting close to it because I expeted BCS Bowls and top 25 rankings to be a regular part of the program

 

[DJ Spanky]

I will be interested to see the results of this poll. There was an extremely vocal minority who screamed to the rooftops that Schiano would never approach the heights of 2006 again.

 

[MADHAT1]

I will be interested to see the results of this poll. There was an extremely vocal minority who screamed to the rooftops that Schiano would never approach the heights of 2006 again.

agree and that's why I decided to make this poll .
I might be wrong , but feel the vocal minority back then are lifting their voices again and there might be those who supported Greg1 to the time he left now joining in against the Greg2 era being allowed to continue.

 

[mdk01]

Before Schiano left for Tampa Bay there were some that wanted him replaced because he never attained the type of program we expected to see after the 2006 season
made Rutgers look like it was turning into a top program.
How did you feel about Schiano in 2011
As for me, I was starting to feel he couldn't bring Rutgers to the next level and wondering if he needed to be replaced to have that happen, but wasn't ready to call for him to be fired.\
But was getting close to it because I expeted BCS Bowls and top 25 rankings to be a regular part of the program

I looked at it a little differently. I saw the class he brought in with Hafley as the set man and said to myself he could finally take the next step. Then he left.

My concern is a repeat performance where a solid class comes in with a great set up man only to see the team broken up.

 

[ImBadRU]

Agree, that class would have been huge and developed like crazy with him as coach.

 

[MADHAT1]

I looked at it a little differently. I saw the class he brought in with Hafley as the set man and said to myself he could finally take the next step. Then he left.

My concern is a repeat performance where a solid class comes in with a great set up man only to see the team broken up.

I'm sure there are some that feel Schiano let the program down by leaving and find it hard to support his return.engagement

 

[mdk01]

I'm sure there are some that feel Schiano let the program down by leaving and find it hard to support his return.engagement

To the NFL? Who wouldn't!

 

[Plum Street]

Nope . Never wanted him gone first time around . Was upset with many things after 2006 …the way we opened seasons .
2010 was a disaster
2011 underachieving the way we did . Pinstinked forever.
I didn’t love him .
But we are rutgers . We don’t really even belong in the BIG , but here we are
We can’t set our goals too high. That’s why I don’t want him gone now either. At least not yet.

 

[koleszar]

I'll let you know after the OC hire. I told my new rep who called today the same thing, "I'll let you know about season ticket renewal after the OC hire. It better be a good one."

 

[MADHAT1]

To the NFL? Who wouldn't!

most would agree and I'm one who looked at his leaving that way..
But there were some back then that felt he was wrong to leave in the manner he did , because it would hurt t recruiting ,not caring ( if memory serves me correct) that the Tampa organization gave him no window to accept or reject and if he didn't accept ASAP .
So he accepted and left quickly., pissing fans some off.

 

[MADHAT1]

I'll let you know after the OC hire.

what does the 2022 OC hire have to do with liking or disliking Greg in 2011.???

 

[Zimm80]

What you should be asking do you want him now .

 

[OldManRiver]

I wanted him gone 1.0….couldn’t get us up and over…his last 2 years really pissed me off with his underachieving teams

I want him to stay for 2.0…let him build the team…yes, this team is not build yet…but, I’m really on the edge again if this offense sputters in the next year or 2

 

[RU848789]

Not even close. He was about to sign his best class ever and we had come off of a very good season that was a few plays away (and maybe a rogue snow plow) from being 10-2 instead of 8-4. While I wanted BCS bowls, having lived through the 80s and 90s, I was more than happy with 8-9 win seasons and regular bowl games and hoping we'd get a conference upgrade soon. And if we had gotten the B1G invite before the Tampa Bay offer, I wonder if he might have stayed - and if he had, we'd have never imploded like we did - we might not have gone to any BCS bowls either, but we'd still be winning 8-9 games most seasons (like our first season in the B1G under Flood with Greg's upperclassmen). I still think he can get us there, but it's a tough road.

 

[koleszar]

what does the 2022 OC hire have to do with liking or disliking Greg in 2011.???

O that’s what it is? I thought the 1 was just a typo. I didn’t read past your 1st paragraph. I’ve found people usually get to their point in the 1st paragraph. Then it’s just a bunch of mumbo jumbo stating why they feel that way.

 

[Shelby65]

I considered him a dimwit lightweight from the beginning, making major blunders a high school coach wouldn’t ever make in the 80-7 WVU loss, the blown big lead in the OT loss in the Leonard Leap @ Illinois game and a brutal USF loss where he declined a 4th and 1 false start penalty on USF allowing them to have 4th and 1 again, which they converted, scored on that late drive and beat us.

And of course our mid-2000s “rise” peaking in a, brace yourself, 2006 3rd place finish was only because the three best teams already left.

He can’t be gone too soon for me.

In truth, he didn’t earn his salary the first time around either but lucked into the ACC defections. And this time, his Pop Warner offense is a joke. I’ll give him this: he probably laughs out loud in private after postgame pressers bc the reporters buy the crap he’s selling. He’s winning and we are losing.

 

[BigEastPhil]

To put things in perspective, Schiano was 25-24 in Big East conference games in a watered down Big East during our “ glory years “ of 2005 thru 2011. The scent of mediocrity at its best. People rave about his record in these years only because he loved scheduling and beating the sisters of the poor.

 

[Rokodesh]

I wouldnt fire him today (assuming money is not an issue), but he's on thin ice. I don't believe he will get it done here, but willing to give one more year with a talented QB, RB, and rebuilt line.

 

[ru66]

watch those games--his later teams played very well and many of his players made nfl

 

[Shelby65]

Phil … but big picture it’s a three decade rebuild to a 6 win season. Solid foundation, remember? That’s the philosophy.

Let’s keep choppin until our foundation will be almost as strong as the other not strong foundations that get 7 wins.

What are you worried about ? Things are going great. Just ask Schiano.

 

[Rokodesh]

To put things in perspective, Schiano was 25-24 in Big East conference games in a watered down Big East during our “ glory years “ of 2005 thru 2011. The scent of mediocrity at its best. People rave about his record in these years only because he loved scheduling and beating the sisters of the poor.

2001-2004 should be thrown out the window for Schiano. You can't fault him for taking over the biggest pile of shit in the country. Judge him from 2005 onward.

 

[dollarbill]

At what cost is he gone? Who is paying for that? $$$$

 

[RU#1fan]

I wouldnt fire him today (assuming money is not an issue), but he's on thin ice. I don't believe he will get it done here, but willing to give one more year with a talented QB, RB, and rebuilt line.

Similar thoughts. Would like to see this same poll exactly one year from now if we finish next season at 4-8 or 3-9. Seriously doubt that you will only see 20% of the RU faithful calling for Greg’s dismissal. More like 40%-50% or higher. If Greg doesn’t have a talented QB, RB, and rebuilt OL by Year 4 he should be gone.

 

[NickRU714]

To the NFL? Who wouldn't!

Exactly.
Never understood the anger over "leaving at worst moment".

Both can be true at the same time:
1. It also was the worst possible time to leave so late in the recruiting cycle.
2. Schiano absolutely should have left for the NFL when offered. Would have been foolish not to. It's the dam NFL.

It is what it is. Shit happens.

 

[NickRU714]

I think we need separate polls to get how people felt after each and every year of GS1.0.
We already have 2011. Just need 10 more polls.

The best thing about 2025 will be that Schiano will be a definitive success or failure and then people can stop bringing up 1.0 and teams from 20-25 years ago.

Or will people still be bringing up GS1.0 for the next 50 years?

 

[Shelby65]

not 50 years, but for maybe 25 years when his rebuild is almost complete and his successor will finally have the solid foundation and 6-6 bowl eligibility

 

[RUaMoose]

To the NFL? Who wouldn't!

Chip Kelly was TB's first choice. I blame him for not taking it.

 

[jtung230]

Wait, the haters said GS supporters are living in the past. Now we are doing a poll about 2011?

 

[Section124]

Greg's move in 2011 was conflicting. Did I want him to leave? No. He had his best recruiting class ever at the time. Did I think Greg could get us to the next level at the time? No. Remember we did not know our future conference at the time. Did I like the way Greg left? Hated it and still do to this day. Although I don't think he would leave here unless he was fired, that is always in the back of my mind now.

 

[BeantownKnight]

Somewhere around 2009-2011, I responded to a post on this very forum inquiring about where folks thought the program was (at that time) and where it was headed. Based on where we were and on the previous few years, I struck a pretty - what I thought was a - realistic tone. We were enjoying 8 or 9-win seasons, including appearances in some middling bowls. Possibly, the pendulum would swing and we'd have the occasional 10 or maybe even 11-win season (if the chips fell just the right way). But, then the pendulum would likely swing back and we'd have a 7 or 8-win season. With Schiano, we likely found our identity as a program and what we were capable of.

And, well - then Greg left and all of that went out the window. I don't think anyone saw that coming. But, I think everyone believed that a foundation had been laid and that the decisions of one man (even the head coach) could not impact the course of the entire program all that much. Boy, was I wrong.

Everyone then - even those who screamed from the rooftops about what an awful game-day coach he was/is - mentioned that his real strengths were as a "program builder." Pundits (and administration officials alike) talked about Schiano being Rutgers, and Rutgers being Schiano. So, after 7-ish years in the abyss (when I was reminded just how bad things really could get), that is what the powers-that-be thought we needed .. again. Someone to build a program. Not someone to just go out, recruit well, and win games but to build something. I'm not sure where that comes from. We now have so much more money, infrastructure, and support than we did 20 years ago. Yet, we're still building. It makes me wonder how many other mature programs are also building. I don't mean those programs just coming up from 1-AA, or those who joined the SunBelt and have their eyes on some P5 conference next. I mean, those programs that have been around for a while .. like we have.

As they say, "winning solves everything." Just hire someone who knows how to put together a coaching staff that's capable of winning. I don't care what foundation, culture, blah-blah-blah needs to be built. Just get me W's. I'm not spending my Saturdays to turn on the TV to see what kind of culture is being built.

 

[LotusAggressor]

I didn't want him gone, but I thought that the program had reached its realistic level under his leadership, though it would have been interesting to see what would have happened had he stayed. The next season, Flood was a questionable penalty away from a conference title and an Orange Bowl berth.

After 2006, the expectations changed. On these boards, every loss became a referendum on Schiano as a coach, despite the fact that he was consistently producing winning seasons and bowl game victories. Not winning the BE at least once between 2006 and 2008 hurt the perception of his tenure, especially when Brian Kelly won multiple BE titles after arriving at Cincinnati in 2007.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

I will be interested to see the results of this poll. There was an extremely vocal minority who screamed to the rooftops that Schiano would never approach the heights of 2006 again.

meanwhile right before Greg left for Tampa Bay he had his best recruiting class by far coming in. Always wondered what he could have done if he stayed.

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

To put things in perspective, Schiano was 25-24 in Big East conference games in a watered down Big East during our “ glory years “ of 2005 thru 2011. The scent of mediocrity at its best. People rave about his record in these years only because he loved scheduling and beating the sisters of the poor.

When you look back on who he beat and who he didn't/couldn't its a bit eye opening. So yeah. Take out those early years and his record is significantly improved but he flopped in his big (non-Bowl) moments.

I thought he topped out because of his game day coaching and after wishing him back feel we're right back there again.

 

[yesrutgers01]

My take at the time is that he did a great job to make us into a valid and fairly successful BCS program. I didn't think many other people could have done what he did. But, felt he had peaked and while I would have been ok with him staying on, I did feel it was time for us to move on. The problem was, who would we have been able to get to take us to the next level at about 1.5 per year and no $$$ for good coaches?
I also did not want him back...until- Ash burnt us to the ground. Then, it seemed he may be the only one we would be able to bring in here to right the ship again. Which he has done but it may be time to move on again.

 

[mdk01]

My take at the time is that he did a great job to make us into a valid and fairly successful BCS program. I didn't think many other people could have done what he did. But, felt he had peaked and while I would have been ok with him staying on, I did feel it was time for us to move on. The problem was, who would we have been able to get to take us to the next level at about 1.5 per year and no $$$ for good coaches?
I also did not want him back...until- Ash burnt us to the ground. Then, it seemed he may be the only one we would be able to bring in here to right the ship again. Which he has done but it may be time to move on again.

Nobody else would have got the funding he did, including assistant coach's salaries. And there were some victories over legit D-1 programs in 1.0 i.e. UNC, Illinois and Michigan St.. Hell, beating Army and Navy was considered an improvement. But he had not taken the team to B1G East territory, though that last recruiting class made things interesting before the apocalypse.

 

[RU848789]

I considered him a dimwit lightweight from the beginning, making major blunders a high school coach wouldn’t ever make in the 80-7 WVU loss, the blown big lead in the OT loss in the Leonard Leap @ Illinois game and a brutal USF loss where he declined a 4th and 1 false start penalty on USF allowing them to have 4th and 1 again, which they converted, scored on that late drive and beat us.

And of course our mid-2000s “rise” peaking in a, brace yourself, 2006 3rd place finish was only because the three best teams already left.

He can’t be gone too soon for me.

In truth, he didn’t earn his salary the first time around either but lucked into the ACC defections. And this time, his Pop Warner offense is a joke. I’ll give him this: he probably laughs out loud in private after postgame pressers bc the reporters buy the crap he’s selling. He’s winning and we are losing.

Your nonsensical comments about Schiano 1.0 are why nobody takes you seriously.

 

[Shelby65]

Your nonsensical comments about Schiano 1.0 are why nobody takes you seriously.

Ok, Kyrie. what deniers consider nonsensical, keen people know is fact. We have a blind guy directing traffic.

I could point out other clown show examples of a HC who had no clue how to coach a football game, things which of course you wouldn't notice.

 

[Scarlet Blind]

Quick analysis of Schiano 1.0 as a head coach, not great with the graph stuff.

Record, 2001-04, 2005-11
FCS(8-2), 0-2, 8-0
0 wins(2-0), 2-0, 0-0
1 win(5-2), 3-2, 2-0
2 wins(5-2), 2-1, 3-1(L ILL 05)
3 wins(7-1), 1-1, 6-0
4 wins(4-6), 0-3, 4-3(Ls Cuse 09, TUL 10 B4EL, Cincy 10 FtrEL)
5 wins(11-1), 2-0, 9-1(L UConn 11)
6 wins(5-4), *1-1, 4-3
7 wins(4-6), 0-1, 4-5
*8 wins(9-18), *1-11, 8-7
*9 wins(5-10), 0-5, 5-5
*10 wins(2-7), 0-4, 2-3
11 wins(0-5), 0-1, 0-4
*12+wins(1-3), 0-2, 1-1(W Louisville 12-1 06)
(68-67), 01-04 12-34, 56-33

The 17 career wins vs 8+ Win teams- Navy(*8 '03)(8,9,8), Ohio(9,10), USF(9,9,8,8), Louisville(12, Petrino), UConn(8,8,8), Pitt(9, Wanny), UCF(8,O'Leary), and Cincy(10, Butch Jones)
11 of 17 wins were against 3 teams

2001-04-- 0-2 vs FCS, 10-7 vs 5 or less, 1-2 vs 6-7 wins(Cuse), 1-16 vs 8-9 wins(Navy), 0-7 vs 10+ wins

Peak 2005-11 Schiano years(56-33)-- 8-0 vs FCS, (48-33 vs FBS), 24-5 vs 5-6, 5-7 and under, (24-28 vs 6-7, 6-6 and above), 8-8 vs 6-7 win teams, 13-12 vs 8-9 win teams, and 3-8 vs teams that finished with 10 or more wins. Every Big East team had 5 Non conference games to schedule each year.

Not sure if this sways anyone one way or the other, but figured I'd give the facts to help the voting.

 

[Shelby65]

What about the wins against WVU, BC, VT and Miami ? Those were the best 4 Big East teams in that era. I don't see those teams listed.

 

[vkj91]

I was done after UCONN