A good idea for another Greg yes or no poll, about the current Greg
Because of the pro/no Greg2 talk going on now
I was wondering how the pro/anti posters now felt about Greg1 just before his first term ended.
so started this poll to find out
Greg1 ( yes or no)
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Because of the pro/no Greg2 talk going on now
I was wondering how the pro/anti posters now felt about Greg1 just before his first term ended.
so started this poll to find out
I love the man. One of the most positive influences of my life. Despite only being around him for two hours a week during spring practice, summer camp and the season for seven years. Smart, incredibly hard working, loyal, honest.
That said, if we don't go to a bowl next year, options have to be explored. What options? Proven winner options. Into our conference have come Luke Fickell, and Matt Rhule. Winners, that kind of option. Someone like a Dan Mullen. Not necessarily him, but a winning head coach. We can NOT take a chance on a 'maybe'. Nor can we try a hot-shot coordinator du jour. The leap is too great, from coordinator to running an entire program.
That's my two cents.
That said, if we don't go to a bowl next year, options have to be explored. What options? Proven winner options. Into our conference have come Luke Fickell, and Matt Rhule. Winners, that kind of option. Someone like a Dan Mullen. Not necessarily him, but a winning head coach. We can NOT take a chance on a 'maybe'. Nor can we try a hot-shot coordinator du jour. The leap is too great, from coordinator to running an entire program.
That's my two cents.
There are maybe 4 wins on the schedule, at most, unless he crushes the portal. So yea he should get canned but then there’s the small matter of owing him $16M and paying at least another 4M per year to a new coach.
Just to correct and I’ve said this multiple times here, it would be ~12M after next year and ~9M the year after. He’s owed 76% and change of the remainder of his contract. It’s not a lump sum payment either from what I can tell. It would be no different than the ~8.5M we paid Ash.
IMO at most he’s got two seasons to make .500 regular season, possibly just one. 4 straight below .500 regular seasons isn’t a good place to be for job security. Only 3 coaches saw a 5th (Cutcliffe, Wilson, Frost). 2 of them got to .500 in the fifth year and Frost was fired.
If it was necessary, I believe we’d do it and the money would be there just like it was for Ash. Not to mention the B10 is about to get a slight bump on tv revenue next year and a bigger bump when USC/UCLA join and the full CBS schedule is live. Next year will just be a partial CBS schedule because the B10/SEC will be splitting the season.
They were 0-21 vs those 4 teams, 0-11 vs WVU, 0-3 Miami 0-3 vs VA Tech, 0-4 vs BC and 0-4 vs Brian Kelly/Cincy team(0-25)
and you either wonder why people call you a troll or you are just a miserable ignorant prick, or it is 100% your goal.
We all know that BBC/Miami/VT left before he had a chance to make the team better at all.
you really should only speak of the 04 or 05 season as the line of qualification.
We never could beat WVU but...man, we had 2-3 games that really were equal. And in 06- we should have won and outplayed them. The stiff arm game was another and of course, the snow removal game.
But the premise of your post was a troll- 100%
0-21. Wow. Had absolutely no idea. None at all.
Makes you wonder if the apparent rise in conference competitiveness (peak #3) and program improvement was real or instead a mirage due to 3 of those teams he couldn’t beat leaving. One might even think Schiano’s credibility is based on a false perception. How Interesting!
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Those teams also fell off after leaving. And the new BE had teams like WVU and L'ville that really took off pretty much at that point.
That's what my post refers to which is Schiano's Big East Conference Record from 2005 thru 2011. His conference record was 25-24 in 2005 thru 2011 in a watered down Big East. Not very good !
You have to ask ? Compare the different teams before and after the ACC raid.
Another question: when did UConn go D1 ?
Guess you didn't follow the Big East before ACC pulled its first raid and probably couldn't care less about knowing anything about UConn
UConn moved from D-1AA (FCS) status to being a D-1A (FBS > in case you didn't follow college football in the early 2000s) in 2000.
Connecticut was originally scheduled to join the Big East in 2005 but joined one year earlier (2004 season) after Miami and VT left the BE
Before joining the BE there 2003 record as an independent was 9-3 with wins over B1G Indiana and Wake Forrest of the ACC ,along with a victory of a school that would be a BE rival that was just starting to become a respectable program, but wasn't quite there yet .
Mad..I know all of that. Like higher up in this thread, I ask seemingly naive questions I know the answers to.
I mentioned UConn so that show-offs like you lead other readers to understand that
1. Weaker programs replaced stronger ones.
2. Even the brand new 1a program that wasn’t even a 1aa power beforehand won the weakened conference once.
So, thanks. Good job explaining.
And it’s Forest, not like Gump. But Wake really is in the ACC ? Since when ? You certainly know your sports! I thought they were West Coast Conference.
I mentioned UConn so that show-offs like you lead other readers to understand that
1. Weaker programs replaced stronger ones.
2. Even the brand new 1a program that wasn’t even a 1aa power beforehand won the weakened conference once.
So, thanks. Good job explaining.
And it’s Forest, not like Gump. But Wake really is in the ACC ? Since when ? You certainly know your sports! I thought they were West Coast Conference.
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Yes they fell off because they had it easy in the BE.
Throws more suspect why Greg didn’t do better after they left.
At the time- 05-09, the BE was being considered up there with the ACC and B2G.
Top to bottom- it was a very solid conference.
lol, you really got me on my spelling,good job 👌
As for the rest of your reply about knowing the answers , only you know if that's the truth.
I tend to wonder, considering some of those weaker programs you talk about were ranked in top 25 at various times as BE members
Hope you learned something, but doubt if you'll admit not being a know it all 😝
We might not have an OC hired until the middle of next season.
The good ones are going off the market fast. See Phil Longo going to Wisconsin of all places.
His biggest mistake was leaving Rutgers when he did. The program was set to go to heights it hadn’t been to and likely will never reach. Recruiting was at its zenith and he still had a few seasons to keep growing his coaching chops.
That’s was another lifetime ago. Unfortunately at lot has changed since then.
That’s was another lifetime ago. Unfortunately at lot has changed since then.
The man turned down Miami and Michigan and only left for an NFL head coach job after the conference situation imploded. Show me someone on this board who would have decided otherwise and I'll show you a liar or a fool.
Unreal…. Probably won’t pick up a QB in the Transfer Portal until 2024.
But we’re in good hands. lol
Wisconsin finally figured out that their run heavy Ground Bratwurst offense's Achilles Heel was the lack of dynamic play from the QB position. Competent game management doesn't win championships when you don't have Alabama or Georgia talent. Arguably, they had their best team when Russell Wilson was their QB for one season. They haven't reached those heights at the position since.
But RU owned Russell Wilson led NC State in the 2008 Bowl. He was injured and did not play in the second half. So we have that going for us. Living in the past seems like all we have got at the moment.
However, Mike Teel went from 51/101 (50.5%) with 2 TDs and 10 INTs in 2005, capping off that 2008 year with 243/396 (61.4%) 25 TD/13 INTs.
I tell ya, 2025 is going to be our year!!!!!!!!!
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There was a big sigh of relief from me when Wilson left the game. He was doing damage. The early season bed-shitting that year killed that team. They were destroying people when they righted the ship.But RU owned Russell Wilson led NC State in the 2008 Bowl. He was injured and did not play in the second half. So we have that going for us. Living in the past seems like all we have got at the moment.
However, Mike Teel went from 51/101 (50.5%) with 2 TDs and 10 INTs in 2005, capping off that 2008 year with 243/396 (61.4%) 25 TD/13 INTs.
I tell ya, 2025 is going to be our year!!!!!!!!!
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His biggest mistake ? We’re paying him $32M. Not his mistake. Rutgers made the mistake 3 yrs ago . Besides, we were trending down after 2006.
It’s mind boggling that we’ve put all of our eggs in the Gavin basket.
A professionally successful innovative OC is the most important hire of Schiano’s career. I have no idea what he was doing during the season but the fact this is dragging on as other schools are filling their positions is a bad sign.
A professionally successful innovative OC is the most important hire of Schiano’s career. I have no idea what he was doing during the season but the fact this is dragging on as other schools are filling their positions is a bad sign.
Cali…again, you aren’t considering his perspective. Yea we see the importance of this OC hire but he may not care. He may just want another puppet to call plays from his pop Warner playbook and continue stealing salary.
The contract makes him unfireable for at least three more years. He knows it. Hobbs knows it. Everyone knows it.
The contract makes him unfireable for at least three more years. He knows it. Hobbs knows it. Everyone knows it.
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The late season 08 team would have given the 06 team a heck of a game...
To really understand the 2006 team, you need to be more than a person that just watches scores. We had some really good front end talent on that team and we stayed healthy all year. And at WR, where we did have a couple of injuries, it was the one group that had young depth. But that is what made 06- staying healthy.
The 07 team had a lot of talent as well, but it only went 1 deep, and we had a ton of injuries.
08- team was loaded and had depth. Greg got too involved if the offense early on and we had a couple of prima donnas that didn't get their acts in gear until they started to hear their draft stocks dropping.
09 was a pretty good team too but we had the OG spots that were very weak. OL had very little depth and we were going with a true freshman QB. We had enough where it didn't hurt us too bad in 09 but the shine came off in 2010 when we lost our C and NFL OT's.
Greg did always have at least one WTF game each year and many times we started the season just tired from how insane he worked the team prior to the season.
But, the 07-09 teams were much better than just the record.
Edited to add: And didn't Teel play the 2007 WVU, UConn and Army games with a hand injury and only a wildcat QB (Lovelace) behind him?
Yes...and Greg insisted that our two best (NFL) OL play next to each other at LT/LG thinking he could just slant the offense to the left all the time. McNulty and Flood were finally able to convince him to bookend the NFL talent as OT's where they could help the younger OG's much better. This happened in the Pitt game. Our two WR's didn't show up for many of the early games either as they and one of our top DB's pretty much took the royalty treatment during the off season.
The '06 and '08 teams should have won the BE. The '07 team should have been better. A healthy Teel and a more aggressive mindset on offense would have been good for at least 2 more wins.
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We sure do belong in the Big. Have you checked out our other teams?
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