Kirk C. 12th Most Expensive OC In CFB

[ashokan]

Four guys tied for 12th at 1.4m.
Along with KC you have guys from Oregon, GA, Nebraska.
Fired from RU and PSU, lackluster offense at Minn.
I don't get it.

Rutgers’ Kirk Ciarrocca is one of the highest paid coordinators in college football

Rutgers football has one of the highest paid offensive coordinators in college football.

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[RuSnp]

Four guys tied for 12th at 1.4m.
Along with KC you have guys from Oregon, GA, Nebraska.
Fired from RU and PSU, lackluster offense at Minn.
I don't get it.

Rutgers’ Kirk Ciarrocca is one of the highest paid coordinators in college football

Rutgers football has one of the highest paid offensive coordinators in college football.

sports.yahoo.com

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Probably due to 2019 Minn that finished 10th in the country. They went from so-so at qb the year before with Annexstad and Morgan to Morgan throwing 3000+, 30 tds, and 66% completion.

 

[Plum Street]

We had to overpay to get him.
He did a decent job last year. While he’s not great , he’s the best we could have got

 

[Brisket and Bourbon]

ROI…yikes

 

[ashokan]

Probably due to 2019 Minn that finished 10th in the country. They went from so-so at qb the year before with Annexstad and Morgan to Morgan throwing 3000+, 30 tds, and 66% completion.

I remember they were good back then but didn't watch close. Minn's two WRs from 2019 are still in NFL but Morgan didn't get drafted or stick as a FA. Minn was still only 47th for passing in 2019. Fleck is Schiano Jr when it comes to passing game. After 2019 success, KC went to PSU in 2020 and lasted a year.

Gophers' QB search could be pricey — and difficult, given P.J. Fleck's philosophy​

"Fleck has something else working against him: his coaching philosophy. His run-heavy, ball-control, shrink-the-game offensive approach is no secret. He has not veered from his bedrock principles in any substantive way in his seven seasons at Minnesota.

Fleck's strategy shows up in the stats. Not including the jumbled 2020 pandemic season, his Gophers have ranked near the bottom nationally in passing offense (per CFBstats.com) during his tenure:

2017: 122nd.
2018: 90th.
2019: 47th.
2021: 118th.
2022: 116th.
2023: 126th.

Passing attempts? Even more stark:

2017: 124th.
2018: 106th.
2019: 111th.
2021: 127th.
2022: 126th.
2023: 119th.

Fleck is not exactly selling an Air Raid offense to quarterback prospects. Even in 2019 when the offense featured a pair of future NFL receivers in Tyler Johnson and Rashod Bateman, Fleck didn't deviate from the script. The Gophers just squeezed more out of their opportunities that season (11-2) than others."

Gophers' QB search could be difficult given P.J. Fleck's philosophy

Nebraska coach Matt Rhule said a good quarterback in the transfer portal costs $1 million or more in NIL money these days.

www.startribune.com

 

[RUTGERS95]

all of these coaches are grossly overpaid

 

[rutgersal]

Kirk is undervalued because without his efforts, Rutgers would not have had a winning season. He worked within the constraints of low completion percentage at quarterback, a weak receiving corp, and was able to maximize the effectiveness of the running game, and offensive line and designed plays which minimized the risk of turnovers. We ended up with the Big Tens leading rusher.

The results show It was a masterful coaching job, the best I’ve seen since Fridge 2014. Without Kirk’s expertise, we could easily be 4-8. He is worth every penny and then some.

 

[RuSnp]

I remember they were good back then but didn't watch close. Minn's two WRs from 2019 are still in NFL but Morgan didn't get drafted or stick as a FA. Minn was still only 47th for passing in 2019. Fleck is Schiano Jr when it comes to passing game. After 2019 success, KC went to PSU in 2020 and lasted a year.

Gophers' QB search could be pricey — and difficult, given P.J. Fleck's philosophy​

"Fleck has something else working against him: his coaching philosophy. His run-heavy, ball-control, shrink-the-game offensive approach is no secret. He has not veered from his bedrock principles in any substantive way in his seven seasons at Minnesota.

Fleck's strategy shows up in the stats. Not including the jumbled 2020 pandemic season, his Gophers have ranked near the bottom nationally in passing offense (per CFBstats.com) during his tenure:

2017: 122nd.
2018: 90th.
2019: 47th.
2021: 118th.
2022: 116th.
2023: 126th.

Passing attempts? Even more stark:

2017: 124th.
2018: 106th.
2019: 111th.
2021: 127th.
2022: 126th.
2023: 119th.

Fleck is not exactly selling an Air Raid offense to quarterback prospects. Even in 2019 when the offense featured a pair of future NFL receivers in Tyler Johnson and Rashod Bateman, Fleck didn't deviate from the script. The Gophers just squeezed more out of their opportunities that season (11-2) than others."

Gophers' QB search could be difficult given P.J. Fleck's philosophy

Nebraska coach Matt Rhule said a good quarterback in the transfer portal costs $1 million or more in NIL money these days.

www.startribune.com

I agree with most of your points on this but think you're basing too much of your argument on the data point of Kirk being fired after only a year at PSU. That was the Covid year with all its weirdness. And post Saquon, all those receivers and Mcsorley, I view that job as basically impossible. You're not as good as OSU or Michigan but if you don't beat them the year is a failure. And Franklin needs somebody to blame for that reality.

 

[MADHAT1]

Kirk, like many college coaches, is probably overpaid, but he might just be one of the better B1G OCs according to this ( from when he was hired):
>Adam Breneman, who is in his first year as an analyst with the Big Ten Network, ranks Ciarrocca among the top five offensive coordinators in the conference. Ciarrocca checks in at No. 4 on Breneman’s ranking.<

MSN

 

[ashokan]

Kirk is undervalued because without his efforts, Rutgers would not have had a winning season. He worked within the constraints of low completion percentage at quarterback, a weak receiving corp, and was able to maximize the effectiveness of the running game, and offensive line and designed plays which minimized the risk of turnovers. We ended up with the Big Tens leading rusher.

The results show It was a masterful coaching job, the best I’ve seen since Fridge 2014. Without Kirk’s expertise, we could easily be 4-8. He is worth every penny and then some.

Maybe.
I still remember KC as RU's OC in 2010 - worst team I ever saw (that I followed).

I thought OL coming around under OL's Coach Flaherty (350K) was more of a reason for success. They got better as season went on and they were crushing defenders in 4th Q. Haven't seen that in a couple decades at RU.

GW's best skill was running and I always expected to see more (as did announcers) but it never really came as it should have. RU runs what I call a "Prevent Offense" where you play with one hand behind your back to avoid a few turnovers.

Greg said OL couldn't block for long passing and KC adjusted for that (and made viable by restored run game) so that's a bonus point. But for 1.4 million? If I have a choice between OC of Rutgers, Oregon and Georgia maybe I might still have to take KS because Greg would crib death the other two guys.

Rutgers football salaries are soaring. But will it result in wins?

Three football staffers have base salaries exceeding $1 million, an NJ Advance Media analysis found.

www.nj.com

 

[NickRU714]

Kirk is undervalued because without his efforts, Rutgers would not have had a winning season. He worked within the constraints of low completion percentage at quarterback, a weak receiving corp, and was able to maximize the effectiveness of the running game, and offensive line and designed plays which minimized the risk of turnovers. We ended up with the Big Tens leading rusher.

The results show It was a masterful coaching job, the best I’ve seen since Fridge 2014. Without Kirk’s expertise, we could easily be 4-8. He is worth every penny and then some.

Good thing they moved on from that low completion percentage QB then, right?

 

[rutgersal]

Maybe.
I still remember KC as RU's OC in 2010 - worst team I ever saw (that I followed).

I thought OL coming around under OL's Coach Flaherty (350K) was more of a reason for success. They got better as season went on and they were crushing defenders in 4th Q. Haven't seen that in a couple decades at RU.

GW's best skill was running and I always expected to see more (as did announcers) but it never really came as it should have. RU runs what I call a "Prevent Offense" where you play with one hand behind your back to avoid a few turnovers.

Greg said OL couldn't block for long passing and KC adjusted for that (and made viable by restored run game) so that's a bonus point. But for 1.4 million? If I have a choice between OC of Rutgers, Oregon and Georgia maybe I might still have to take KS because Greg would crib death the other two guys.

Rutgers football salaries are soaring. But will it result in wins?

Three football staffers have base salaries exceeding $1 million, an NJ Advance Media analysis found.

www.nj.com

You’re not getting the oc of Oregon or Georgia here last year, because offensively, we just didn’t have enough personnel to mount an effective offensive attack. Kirk effectively worked with what he had and made us respectable, despite an adverse situation. Best OC job since fridge.

This year, we have the personnel, but the WRs behind the starters are mostly green. But at least we have capable starters.

 

[ashokan]

You’re not getting the oc of Oregon or Georgia here last year, because offensively, we just didn’t have enough personnel to mount an effective offensive attack. Kirk effectively worked with what he had and made us respectable, despite an adverse situation. Best OC job since fridge.

This year, we have the personnel, but the WRs behind the starters are mostly green. But at least we have capable starters.

Pacheco was obviously a good RB and he could barely move behind the OL he had.
Vedral was less of a threat than GW.
Injured WRs (Cruickshank) made defending vs RU easy .
Last year RU was a top team for controlling the time of possession.
RU OL was in great playing shape - stayed lively in 4th Q while defenses were wilting
Put Pacheco behind 2023 OL and Mongo behind 2021 OL and I think it would be clear OL personnel and coaching was the dif.

 

[LotusAggressor]

Good thing they moved on from that low completion percentage QB then, right?

That would mean that this year's RU offense should score 40 points per game.

 

[RU at the shore]

7-6 last year, beat Miami in a bowl.

Time for a raise !!

 

[RUBOB72]

Kirk, like many college coaches, is probably overpaid, but he might just be one of the better B1G OCs according to this ( from when he was hired):
>Adam Breneman, who is in his first year as an analyst with the Big Ten Network, ranks Ciarrocca among the top five offensive coordinators in the conference. Ciarrocca checks in at No. 4 on Breneman’s ranking.<

MSN

And he is probably right. It comes down to having players plain n simple. Always wondered why some don’t see that. The HC needs guys who can work together to institute a system where the OC. Oline, RB’s and WRer’s can generate a good to better than good offense. When has Rutgers had the potential to be a productive offense. With actual offensive threats ? The B1G question still remains can the QB room produce at the needed level? Now , we can hear from those Rutgers skeptics who will be out to tell how bad we will be in 2024…. 9-3 plus 1….

 

[RU Cheese]

Did he do a good job last year? Sure.

If Rutgers fired him tomorrow does he get an OC job for that much money anywhere else? No.

 

[RU_DIO]

Our offensive coaches did a stand up job last year. We did overpay for Kirk but it was well worth it. I'm looking forward to us having an efficient offense this year as Kirk's teams generally have a nice bump in production their second year.

 

[GSGS]

Kirk has grown tremendously as an OC since 2010. He makes the most of the talent at his disposal. KC did wonders at Western Michigan and then at Minnesota. His one year at PSU deserves an asterisk, as it was the COVID year, and despite not meshing with Dickhead Franklin, PSU had the 2nd ranked offense (measured by yards per game) in the B1G. Kirk did an amazing job at RU last year, winning 7 games without a passing game. The best is yet to come.

 

[MADHAT1]

Did he do a good job last year? Sure.

If Rutgers fired him tomorrow does he get an OC job for that much money anywhere else? No.

On the other hand:
a top program with a poor offense sees what Kirk is doing with the talent he has at Rutgers and entices him to come to that program as their OC for a bigger payday .

Maybe a longtime B1G HC with the same first name decides to retire and that program hires KC as HC because of how he made Rutgers known more for it's offense than defence in 2024 and that's is what the Iowa AD wants for the Hawkeyes with Ferentz gone.

 

[Knight Shift]

On the other hand:
a top program with a poor offense sees what Kirk is doing with the talent he has at Rutgers and entices him to come to that program as their OC for a bigger payday .

Maybe a longtime B1G HC with the same first name decides to retire and that program hires KC as HC because of how he made Rutgers known more for it's offense than defence in 2024 and that's is what the Iowa AD wants for the Hawkeyes with Ferentz gone.

Or maybe for PJ, third time would be the charm in hiring Kirk back. Minnesota's ranking in the B1G dropped quite a bit from 2022 to 2023 after Kirk left. In fairness, Ibrahim left for the NFL too.

 

[RutgersDom]

ROI…yikes

Well do you expect a roi in 1 year? 2? 3?

This will be year 2. Let’s see

 

[RutgersDom]

Kirk is undervalued because without his efforts, Rutgers would not have had a winning season. He worked within the constraints of low completion percentage at quarterback, a weak receiving corp, and was able to maximize the effectiveness of the running game, and offensive line and designed plays which minimized the risk of turnovers. We ended up with the Big Tens leading rusher.

The results show It was a masterful coaching job, the best I’ve seen since Fridge 2014. Without Kirk’s expertise, we could easily be 4-8. He is worth every penny and then some.

I’d say he did a pretty good job. No way masterful. He had limitations and dealt with them. He’s got a clean slate this year from me but has a slightly better QB. OL should be better and def way better WRs. We should make a pretty good jump offensively this year.