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In other words that kids are rushing to Tampa over RU is BS? Shocker!
Please share the class data if handy. Always love to see my alma mater making strides!
Awesome!
Weird how Clemson is 1310 and Tampa is 1170
I thought everyone was so desperate to leave NJ for those places?
I know about the desire for the former but not the latter?
Clemson kids are in our wheelhouse, not so much for the Tampa ones.
Tampa was mentioned previously in the thread as place NJ students were looking to over RU.
I agree it's insane to think that's happening.
But based on 1367 I think we can (and do) do better than Clemson. In fact, based on what I see that's about 100 points than a certain bain on humanity a few hours to the west that NJ parents have loved.
But sometimes kids (and their parents) just want a change…scenery, location, experiences.
Many in NJ have the ability to accomplish this. Nothing wrong with that.
My daughter is in that class!
Where do these numbers come from? I assume by "Tampa," you mean the University of South Florida. (Yes, I know it's weird that a university in Tampa, which is nowhere near Miami, is called the University of South Florida.)
I believe we were talking about the actual University of Tampa.
Yes, I see that is a school that took its current form in 1995, and is ranked really low. I do see it gets a fair number of students from the Northeast, which shows how attractive the Tampa/St Pete/ Sarasota area is. Otherwise, it doesn't seem like much of a competitor. If one wants to be in Florida, there are much better choices. And if one is determined to be in Tampa, the University of South Florida is a better choice, as is Eckerd College (yes, I know the name is yucky) in St. Petersburg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Tampa
BTW, if you believe U.S. News, the University of Florida's incoming students have better SATs than Rutgers-New Brunswick students. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-florida-1535
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rutgers-new-brunswick-6964
I found this out because a friend in Florida tells me her daughter is considering U.F., but is concerned about getting in. So I looked up the numbers. Note, by the way,that the percentage admitted is *much* higher at Rutgers than U. Florida, indicating it is much more popular choice.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rutgers-new-brunswick-6964
I found this out because a friend in Florida tells me her daughter is considering U.F., but is concerned about getting in. So I looked up the numbers. Note, by the way,that the percentage admitted is *much* higher at Rutgers than U. Florida, indicating it is much more popular choice.
Sure. However, at least in my experience that's basically 5-10 kids from one NJ HS going to the Cult or elsewhere and all joining the same fraternity/sorority.
RU in terms of scenery and experience is a 180 degree from the average NJ suburb, if not location. That's the beauty of NJ, imo.
Google- no Univ of Tampa. Had never heard of it until this thread where it was trolled....errr...heralded...as an option.
UF is a good school and a peer of RU. UF and FSU have been increasing in the ranking because their tuition is quite low which is a factor in USNWR (a fair factor imo). But there has been increasing concern about government meddling at UF. Also, given the program in FL with tuition savings starting from birth they get a lot more applications that way.
I found it on Google without a problem. https://www.ut.edu/ For U.S. News's profile of the school, see https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-tampa-1538 For an evaluation of ease of getting in, seehttps://www.collegesimply.com/colleges/florida/the-university-of-tampa/admission/
In other words, the Florida legislature is much more supportive of its state universities than is New Jersey's. The legislature is willing to appropriate enough money that U. Florida's in-state tuition is less than half of Rutgers'. So perhaps it's no surprise that U. Florida is better at Rutgers in attracting freshmen with excellent SAT scores.
Florida's prepaid tuition plan gives benefits at non-Florida institutions, so it may not be as big a factor in increasing applications at U. Florida as you suggest. https://www.myfloridaprepaid.com/prepaid-plans/ (Look at the second paragraph under "Enjoy the stress-free way.")
Do you really think that only 5-10 high school kids per school are going out-of-state?? I find that hard to believe.
All true, but sometimes that seems just too close for some.
Which I can understand. Especially those who have the means to do so…explore elsewhere.
What I can’t understand is the “Rutgers is beneath my kid” attitude. Maybe it’s not a fit, but it’s certainly not beneath.
While neither of my boys ended up enrolling at the SOE they were still thrilled to get their Rutgers acceptance to Engineering.
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U.S. News is hardly the most reliable source, but it ranks Florida's pre-K through 12 scores # 16 -- not wonderful, but not bad either. Note also that while NJ is #1 for pre-K through 12, it is, um, #27 for higher education. You can see those #s on the link as well as the criteria used. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education
UF-Gainesville has been a pretty top notch public flagship for probably a generation or more now, at least since the 90s.
I think that range was meant to refer to only those enrolling at Crappy Valley out in central Pennsyltucky.
Florida has more than twice the population of New Jersey and so perhaps this is not surprising. But it also helps that the state legislature and governor are willing to invest enough to keep tuition much lower than in comparably-sized states.
The thing with in-state tuition at flagship publics is that there really has always been a wide range, including for the OOS rates they charge.
For every UF or UNC-Chapel Hill that have historically been inexpensive for their own state residents and not too outrageous for OOS students, there is a UM-Ann Arbor that has been charging almost private university prices for several decades, especially for OOS. Has not necessarily stopped folks with the means from NJ/NY/CT sending their kids and writing tuition checks to the fine school near Detroit.
NIRH has been posting for many years on this forum and his views are pretty well established so I don't think I'm leaping too far on that one. Could be wrong but he'll be back around to clarify at some point.
ETA: I interpreted "Cult or elsewhere" as PSU (obviously = Cult) or other OOS public; as a group of students going to any one of those schools in a given year from a given typical NJ high school, not the aggregate of all OOS public school attendees from that high school in that year.
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Yes, there is considerable variation in in-state tuitions and some schools are very attractive despite high state tuitions. I don't think there are schools any more that give a break to OOS students; UNC, for instance, now has an out of state tuition of $36,000.
May have already been mentioned, but Pennsy has a program where every child has a $100 college fund set up for them at birth.
49 states are much more supportive...historically...but it is changing.
What I'm saying is that a few kids from one NJ high school will pick a random public school in another state and go there together. This was a frequent phenomenon at my HS.
And trust me it wasn't a school like Michigan or UNC they were picking.
It is? Have state appropriations increased significantly in the past few years?
Interesting—
www.yahoo.com
University of Oklahoma to found new polytechnic institute in Tulsa
The institute would emphasize high-demand careers in software engineering, electric vehicles, cybersecurity and advanced manufacturing.
This is just like Rutgers having a School of Pharmacy -- it makes sense for a state university to support the local economy.Interesting—
University of Oklahoma to found new polytechnic institute in Tulsa
The institute would emphasize high-demand careers in software engineering, electric vehicles, cybersecurity and advanced manufacturing.
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