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NCAA Clearinghouse.... Needs A Clean Sweep

For years, I have been wondering why so many talented players leave their public schools to go play for NJ Parochial schools.. the football powers. This may be a legitimate concern and reason to do so.

"The NCAA would not accept some of the courses on his transcript, something that could have likely been avoided with a more preemptive approach from Gopre's high school administration."
 
Kind in mind that he graduated and had the SAT scores to get into Rutgers and the NCAA rejected his transcript because some of the classes that he took were not accepted by the NCAA. He tried to to make up for it by taking those extra classes at a prep school and passed them all but it wasn't enough, he was still a short a few credits. Now he must go to a Jr College and graduate before he is allowed to play at a FBS school.

The Newark School system failed him, the guidance counselor should have been aware of what classes the NCAA accepts and doesn't accept and made sure he was only taking classes that the NCAA accepted.

It appears that this happens a lot, unless you go to a private school or a public that is a football power, the guidance counselors may not be aware or care about the NCAA.
 
We really need to work with this kid...a shame. I been looking forward to watching him do work..Jersey style.
 
It appears that this happens a lot, unless you go to a private school or a public that is a football power, the guidance counselors may not be aware or care about the NCAA.
Well.. Rutgers offers coaching clinics and saftety clinics to HS coaches.

Maybe Rutgers should lead the way with HS Counselors and have a clinic on NCAA Clearinghouse requirements... heck, invite all freshman who may think they want D1 schollie to attend a day of training in requirements.. make it 7th or 8th graders.

Or just produce youtube videos on the subject and get the word out.
 
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...ion_where_does_sidney_gopre_go_from_here.html

Gopre was not cleared.

Maybe if he had taken some extension courses at UNC this issue would be "academic".

Shame!

MO
The athlete only has themselves to blame. They have a complete website that you go to an pull up a list of approved courses for your high school. It not difficult it just a matter of doing so preparing. The problem is most kids and parents are more worried about camps and workouts then academics. In less time then a single work out a player can pull up every course he or she needs to be eligible.

Approved Courses (Approved through disability courses=Yes or No)
English

=ENGLISH R.R. Yes
A AP LITERATURE No
A AP LNG COMPOSITION No
CREATING WRITING ( 1 UNIT MAX W/ALL CR WRITING) No
ENGLISH 1 No
ENGLISH 2 No
ENGLISH 3 No
ENGLISH 4 No
H HONOR ENGLISH I No
H HONOR ENGLISH II No
H HONOR ENGLISH III No
H HONOR ENGLISH IV No
JOURNALISM No
LNG ARTS I HON/HUM No
LNG ARTS II HON/HUM No
LNG ARTS III HON/HUM No
LNG ARTS IV HON/HUM No
POETRY/CREATIVE WRITING ( 1 UNIT MAX W/ALL CR WRITING) No
PUBLIC SPEAKING No
Social Science

AFRO AM HIST-HISTORY No
A AP US HISTORY No
CIVICS No
CIVIL LAW No
CONST CIVIL FAMILY LAW No
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW No
ECONOMICS No
INTRO TO CRIMINAL JUSTICE No
INTRO TO LAW /LEGAL SYSTEM No
INTRO TO LEGAL SYSTEM & TRIAL TECHNIQUES No
INTRO TO SOCIAL JUSTICE No
LAW IN ACTION No
SOCIOLOGY No
U.S. I No
H U.S. I HON/HUM No
U.S. II No
H U.S. II HON/HUM No
WORLD HIST CULTURE No
H WORLD HIST CULTURE HON/HUM No
Mathematics

=MATH R.R. Yes
A ADVANCED PLACEMENT CALCULUS No
ALG I No
H ALG I/HON No
ALG II No
H ALG II/HON No
CALCULUS No
DISCRETE MATHEMATICS No
H GEOM/HON No
GEOMETRY No
H HONORS INTEGRATED ALGEBRA I No
HONORS INTEGRATED ALGEBRA II No
H HONORS INTEGRATED GEOMETRY No
H HONORS PRE-CALCULUS No
INTEGRATED ALGEBRA I No
INTEGRATED GEOMETRY No
PRE-CALCULUS No
PROBABILITY/STATISTICS No
H TRIG/ADV ALGEBRA/HON No
TRIG/ALG/ADV No
Natural/Physical Science

ANATOMY & PHYSIOLOGY No
A AP CHEMISTRY X No
A AP PHYSICS X No
BIOLOGY X No
CHEMISTRY X No
H CHEMISTRY/HON No
COMPREHENSIVE SCIENCE No
EARTH SCIENCE No
ECOLOGY No
ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE No
FORENSIC SCIENCE No
HONORS ANAT/PHY II No
H HONORS ANAT/PHYS I No
H HONORS BIOLOGY W/LAB X No
H HONORS COMPREHENSIVE SCIENCE No
PHYSICS X No
UMDNJ HONORS ANATOMY/PHYS I/II X No
Additional Core Courses

FRENCH 2 No
FRENCH I No
H HONORS FRENCH II No
H HONORS FRENCH III No
H HONORS SPANISH III No
SPANISH 1 No
SPANISH 2 No

http://web3.ncaa.org/ECWR2/NCAA_EMS/NCAA_EMS.html#

https://web3.ncaa.org/hsportal/exec/hsAction?hsActionSubmit=searchHighSchool
 
Kevin Wilkins had the same problem last summer, and he was at St Joes Montvale.
 
"The NCAA would not accept some of the courses on his transcript, something that could have likely been avoided with a more preemptive approach from Gopre's high school administration."
Or if he took the 5 minutes it takes to look up the information himself. Why does everything need to be spoon fed to these kids?
 
PSU guy is correct. There's nothing wrong with the fundamental requirements of the Clearinghouse, or how they're expressed. One of my daughters had to go through the Clearinghouse process and nobody involved - her, us, her teachers or guidance counselors - considered it an inscrutable mystery.

Coming up short on required credits is a result of only two possible causes - not paying attention or trying to slip one by the goalie (and whining when it doesn't work).
 
Or if he took the 5 minutes it takes to look up the information himself. Why does everything need to be spoon fed to these kids?

Bacuase they are exactly that, they are kids and 14 years old when they get to high school. There are professional who are paid to guide these students to prepare them for what is next. The education system in places like Newark are deplorable.
 
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maybe he didn't think he was going to play D1 football until his Jr. and realized he screwed up his 1st two years in HS. Who knows what happen. I wouldn't assume laziness or foul play on his part.
 
Ummm because they're as you said, kids?
maybe he didn't think he was going to play D1 football until his Jr. and realized he screwed up his 1st two years in HS. Who knows what happen. I wouldn't assume laziness or foul play on his part.
That happens but generally even with out looking it up an average student would have no problem getting all the requirements.
 
That depends on the school.

Exactly!
Unfortunately there are schools where the students are essentially "processed" where the crafting of a student's schedule is more dependent upon what's available - than on what the student actually needs - and too often the student lacks an informed parental support system to provide any sort of double check.
 
Exactly!
Unfortunately there are schools where the students are essentially "processed" where the crafting of a student's schedule is more dependent upon what's available - than on what the student actually needs - and too often the student lacks an informed parental support system to provide any sort of double check.

So you're saying that some schools send no kids to college?

The Clearinghouse requirements are no more stringent than the admission requirements of most colleges. Yet, somehow, all the kids who go on to college out of these allegedly incompetent high schools seem to have no trouble understanding what those requirements are.

You guys are at a logical disadvantage in attempting to blame the schools.
 
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That depends on the school.

What school doesn't offer this? These are below most high school's basic graduation requirements. Unless you are taking vocational courses full time these are pretty basic.
16 core courses in the following areas:

 4 years English;
 3 years math at Algebra I level or higher;
 2 years natural or physical science (one lab if offered at any high school attended);
 1 year additional English, math or natural/physical science;
 2 years social science; and
 4 years additional from areas above or foreign language, philosophy or comparative religion
 
So you're saying that some schools send no kids to college?

The Clearinghouse requirements are no more stringent than the admission requirements of most colleges. Yet, somehow, all the kids who go on to college out of these allegedly incompetent high schools seem to have no trouble understanding what those requirements are.

You guys are at a logical disadvantage in attempting to blame the schools.

this is Newark we are talking about, nothing shocks me there.
 
Coming up short on required credits is a result of only two possible causes - not paying attention or trying to slip one by the goalie (and whining when it doesn't work).

These are no where close to being the only two explinations. How about your a kid from Newark, one of the hardest places in this country to grow up, and your parent/parents never went to college so they have no idea where to go or what to do as far as college is concerned and you went through one of the worst school systems in the country and you do exactly what the people who are paid to help you tell you to do, but everyone along the way provides poor guidance because they are ignorant of the situation or just stupid or lazy. There is a reason kids from Newark and Camden slip through the cracks and kids that go to SPP and DB do not and it's not "self reliance".

No one ever succeeds in this world with out help. So why do we expect kids from places like Newark to do so?
 
These are no where close to being the only two explinations. How about your a kid from Newark, one of the hardest places in this country to grow up, and your parent/parents never went to college so they have no idea where to go or what to do as far as college is concerned and you went through one of the worst school systems in the country and you do exactly what the people who are paid to help you tell you to do, but everyone along the way provides poor guidance because they are ignorant of the situation or just stupid or lazy. There is a reason kids from Newark and Camden slip through the cracks and kids that go to SPP and DB do not and it's not "self reliance".

No one ever succeeds in this world with out help. So why do we expect kids from places like Newark to do so?
I understand kids there are facing challenges other kids are not. However I highly doubt it the school misleading these kids. At some point there got to be individual responsibility. The requirements are not high. The average student unless they are failing classes or in a full time vocational coursework will meet the NCAA requirements easily.
 
So you're saying that some schools send no kids to college?

The Clearinghouse requirements are no more stringent than the admission requirements of most colleges. Yet, somehow, all the kids who go on to college out of these allegedly incompetent high schools seem to have no trouble understanding what those requirements are.

You guys are at a logical disadvantage in attempting to blame the schools.

It is not about blaming the school, it was about responding to a post that said the average student would have no problems becoming eligible. At the school my kids attend the percentage that attend college is in the 90's. Even there, at freshman orientation for the parents they talk about the NCAA clearing house and the need to meet the requirements.
 
What school doesn't offer this? These are below most high school's basic graduation requirements. Unless you are taking vocational courses full time these are pretty basic.
16 core courses in the following areas:

 4 years English;
 3 years math at Algebra I level or higher;
 2 years natural or physical science (one lab if offered at any high school attended);
 1 year additional English, math or natural/physical science;
 2 years social science; and
 4 years additional from areas above or foreign language, philosophy or comparative religion

Does the average student in the Newark school system go to college?

No one is saying it is impossible just that there are more hurdles to clear.
 
These are no where close to being the only two explinations. How about your a kid from Newark, one of the hardest places in this country to grow up, and your parent/parents never went to college so they have no idea where to go or what to do as far as college is concerned and you went through one of the worst school systems in the country and you do exactly what the people who are paid to help you tell you to do, but everyone along the way provides poor guidance because they are ignorant of the situation or just stupid or lazy. There is a reason kids from Newark and Camden slip through the cracks and kids that go to SPP and DB do not and it's not "self reliance".

No one ever succeeds in this world with out help. So why do we expect kids from places like Newark to do so?


This! Your middle-class or upper-class backgrounds are betraying some of you IMO. This is only my opinion, but I did work with kids in this environment. Guidance is minimal, either from parents or guidance counselors. Because of the financial issues in the schools and the social issues, they have little access to real guidance. They may get to see a guidance counselor once a year. The counselor may be over-worked or burned out or apathetic to begin with. Parents may have no clue or be too involved with other things to find the time.

Lots of these kids just tend to believe everything will work out with out them having to do anything on their own. Show them the website posted here, and they will just think, "What the f***!. This is all Greek to me."

Lots of these kids are basically good kids, but they have no direction whatsoever. Some are just trying to survive, and most of their guidance is provided by their social group.
 
It was Sidney's fault for not making sure he took the right courses and passed them, but Weequahic and Gopre's guidance councilor shares a lot of the blame for not steering him to the right courses
Guidance Councilors are supposed to help select the right curriculum to ensure the students they are supposed to be helping have the required credits to enter college, if that's what the student's goal is after he/she graduates HS.

Edit: might add the FB coach for not making sure Sidney was on the right path for college or at least made sure the Weequahic Guidance Councilor Sidney had took an interest in making sure Gopre took all the courses he needed to be accepted into College after graduating HS.
 
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It was Sidney's fault for not making sure he took the right courses and passed them, but Weequahic and Gopre's guidance councilor shares a lot of the blame for not steering him to the right courses
Guidance Councilors are supposed to help select the right curriculum to ensure the students they are supposed to be helping have the required credits to enter college, if that's what the student's goal is after he/she graduates HS.

Edit: might add the FB coach for not making sure Sidney was on the right path for college or at least made sure the Weequahic Guidance Councilor Sidney had took an interest in making sure Gopre took all the courses he needed to be accepted into College after graduating HS.

This. we all have personal responsibility to try and understand the requirements needed for what we are trying to accomplish. That said, there is a support system that failed him. Guidance counselors, high school coaches, mentors, and even the Rutgers staff should be keeping an eye on him to make sure he's on track. In most schools, there is a minimum GPA requirement for him to play sports, so his coach should have at least a general idea where he stands and sadly may care about him more than his guidance counselor. In the end, it's his fault but that isn't without the failings of others around him.
 
So you're saying that some schools send no kids to college?

The Clearinghouse requirements are no more stringent than the admission requirements of most colleges. Yet, somehow, all the kids who go on to college out of these allegedly incompetent high schools seem to have no trouble understanding what those requirements are.

You guys are at a logical disadvantage in attempting to blame the schools.



Absolute unquestionable truth - a school most definitely could have any number of non-athlete students gain admittance & go off to college and it is possible for none of them to be in full compliance with the NCAA clearinghouse specifications

In general, if you are talking about a very conventional 'selective' or 'highly selective' college, yes they are pretty much looking for credentials that are above the qualitative level of rigor set forth by the Clearinghouse standards.... But - The Clearinghouse requirements can be far more stringent & more importantly - rigid than what some colleges might utilize for admissions for the general student body.

Remember also that Clearinghouse requirement are different for D1, D2, & D3 ... (and do not apply to NAIA schools) - a "C" student with weak test scores but strong recommendations could be admitted to a D3 and still get to play in NCAA sports - they might also get into some D1 schools - but not qualify to play because of the NCAA's different criteria for the D1 schools

The Clearinghouse requirements are not open to situational evaluation - but all colleges can look at a general student's body of work and make an individual judgment call on admitting that student - even if their transcript does not contain every item that the college generally looks for. (Clearinghouse - has no wiggle room)

A college may find extraordinary merit in the application of a particular student and admit them - even if they have certain deficiencies - or they simply went to a truly non-traditional private school that did not match the NCAA Clearinghouse template.

Also - There are more than 800 four-year colleges and universities that do not use the SAT or ACT to admit substantial numbers of bachelor-degree applicants. see - - http://www.fairtest.org/university/optional ... you will note that it is entirely possible to gain admission to a number of very respectable schools without ever taking the SAT or the ACT ..... But the student athlete has to be aware that - if you want to participate in NCAA sanctioned sports at any of these schools - you will still have to take the SAT or ACT and get a score that will satisfy the NCAA Clearinghouse ...


There are also colleges that will admit students without their High School diploma - which could be well prior to them having fully completed the NCAA Clearinghouse 'punch-list' of required courses. So, some of these genius kids who jump into college at 15 or 15 - would be ineligible to participate in NCAA sanctioned sports until they had secured a certain amount of genuine college credit.


Does the full set of NCAA Clearinghouse requirements represent some insanely impossible criteria? No ...... but it does require attention, it requires that somebody is paying attention to general needs & requirements as early as in the 8th grade when the 13 year old student sits down and signs up for their 9th grade classes. This is pretty inconsequential if the student is in a higher quality school and is following a 'college prep' track - they will end up with valid classes. The real challenge - the real problem situations - arise when a student is maybe 'marginal/borderline' - has little or no home front guidance - is in a school that is populated with 'at risk' students, ----- if, in a situation like this, the high potential student athlete is not identified & steered toward a 'college prep' track it is entirely possible for them to end up with a 'diploma' - but - a whole lot of "wrong / non-qualifying" courses on their transcript.
 
Does the average student in the Newark school system go to college?

No one is saying it is impossible just that there are more hurdles to clear.
Your missing the point. Even if your not going to college most students will have those courses:

In bold are the NJ requirements for graduation. So to be eligible for the NCAA a kid in his 4 year of high school must only take two additional courses which very well could be part of the required for graduation in New Jersey.

16 core courses in the following areas:
 4 years English; 4 Years
 3 years math at Algebra I level or higher; 3 Years
 2 years natural or physical science (one lab if offered at any high school attended); 3 Years
 1 year additional English, math or natural/physical science;
 2 years social science; and 3 Years
 4 years additional from areas above or foreign language, philosophy or comparative religion 1 Year Foreign Language
 
I understand kids there are facing challenges other kids are not. However I highly doubt it the school misleading these kids. At some point there got to be individual responsibility. The requirements are not high. The average student unless they are failing classes or in a full time vocational coursework will meet the NCAA requirements easily.

He graduated High School and got SAT scores that were high enough for the NCAA. I really don't think you grasp how bad these school systems are.

Here are actual facts from the High School that he went to:

http://www.usnews.com/education/bes...rk-public-schools/weequahic-high-school-12679

http://njjewishnews.com/article/202...i-oppose-state-overhaul-proposal#.VZLLOvlVhBc.
 
He graduated High School and got SAT scores that were high enough for the NCAA. I really don't think you grasp how bad these school systems are.

Here are actual facts from the High School that he went to:

http://www.usnews.com/education/bes...rk-public-schools/weequahic-high-school-12679

http://njjewishnews.com/article/202...i-oppose-state-overhaul-proposal#.VZLLOvlVhBc.
I understand the high school is bad. However they offered the 16 classes he needed to pass to qualify. Even after an additional year at prep school he still did not pass enough courses. That has nothing to do with quality of the school.
 
Your missing the point. Even if your not going to college most students will have those courses:

In bold are the NJ requirements for graduation. So to be eligible for the NCAA a kid in his 4 year of high school must only take two additional courses which very well could be part of the required for graduation in New Jersey.

16 core courses in the following areas:
 4 years English; 4 Years
 3 years math at Algebra I level or higher; 3 Years
 2 years natural or physical science (one lab if offered at any high school attended); 3 Years
 1 year additional English, math or natural/physical science;
 2 years social science; and 3 Years
 4 years additional from areas above or foreign language, philosophy or comparative religion 1 Year Foreign Language


Well he did graduate from high school, so there is a difference in either the courses or the grades he received or how the courses were documented with the NCAA.
 
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