In NJ any teacher who started after ~2010 doesn’t have access to the traditional pension, the state axed it.
My wife was hired in 2014 making 50k, 10 years later she’s at 60k.
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My wife was hired in 2014 making 50k, 10 years later she’s at 60k.
New York teachers do well. In year 22, my base salary is around $96k. In about 3 years, I'll finally hit 6 figures. But I tutor and teach extra classes to supplement my income.
Do you think they’re on the advertising the pension to a Moore 401(k) model has been rumored?
I do have to say- as weird as it is- for some reason- the Town of Poughkeepsie NY, takes care of teachers and public servants.
Early 2000's- most teachers, Cops- were making a base near 90-100k and then OT for cops. I believe it was well over the norm but they did very well- add in overtime and some were making crazy money plus part time gigs.
That's false.
Teachers get enrolled in TPAF pension. There are 5 tiers based on hire date, with the last tier being for hire dates after 2011. Together with my payroll staff, I enroll dozens of teachers in their pension every year.
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The post 2011 “pension” isn’t a pension in the colloquial sense. It’s not even close to what senior teachers who are retiring now are getting (full traditional pension).
The pension for anyone hired after 2011 is not the same pension your wife receives.
Tier 5 is no reason to stay in teaching.
She was fortunate to get in when she did
Although the teachers who grew up teaching in the 80s and 90s when I was going to school really had it made
I am not seeing anyone calling teachers lazy or overpaid, quite the opposite actually.
My DIL taught middle school math and science for about 10 years. Her experience was different. She loved it. She was moved by the district to grammar school in September to develop a new cirriculum in Math based on NASA's STEM program whatever that entails.
The way NJ handles the student teaching boils my blood considering its basically an apprentice position. Student teaching is done while you are in college and its very hard to do until your 5th year since its mostly a full time job. So not only are they not getting paid to go work in this job but they are paying a full year of tuition to whatever school they are attending.
wow. Your wife needs to go to another district. My daughter started in year 1 at 65K, granted raises suck but there are plenty of districts where the yearly increase is pretty good. Her BF will be making 70K by year 3 in the district he is teaching in.
It’s the same for student physical therapists. They don’t get paid when they are doing their clinical rotations and are paying tuition as well.
NJ is smart
They dangle the carrot at the end of the rainbow
Work X years, get X in return
Switch districts and your benefits remain the same, but your tenure is out the door
When I'd go down to visit my parents in Naples, at the pool I'd hear the same thing from retired people. I.e. "we were teachers, taught X years in X district, eventually it made sense to retire b/c we'd be making the same or similar then teaching and we had enough of the cold"
My mom, both sisters, wife, and brother in law are / were all teachers.
None would have gotten in if they had to do it today
The benefits back then were great
They're good now, but juice isn't worth the squeeze, for various reasons (pay, parents, etc.) vis a vis how it used to be
The only upside of getting into teaching now are summers off
They dangle the carrot at the end of the rainbow
Work X years, get X in return
Switch districts and your benefits remain the same, but your tenure is out the door
When I'd go down to visit my parents in Naples, at the pool I'd hear the same thing from retired people. I.e. "we were teachers, taught X years in X district, eventually it made sense to retire b/c we'd be making the same or similar then teaching and we had enough of the cold"
My mom, both sisters, wife, and brother in law are / were all teachers.
None would have gotten in if they had to do it today
The benefits back then were great
They're good now, but juice isn't worth the squeeze, for various reasons (pay, parents, etc.) vis a vis how it used to be
The only upside of getting into teaching now are summers off
Tenure seems to not be as important because almost all districts have teacher shortages
You can easily find a new job
You can easily find a new job
180 vs 234 avg work days with 7.5hrs vs 10.5 avg hours
that 60k extrapolated out is pretty generous when benefits etc are considered.
I certainly appreciated teaching is different as the parents and kids have changed but so has the teachers. For anyone to say you are burned out by a profession that requires minimal mental exhaustion is somewhat laughable. At the end of the day, the best and brightest do not go into teaching (on average) so perhaps that is the crux of the issue.
a great teacher is worth their weight in gold but it's increasingly difficult to find that great teacher
I think most teachers work in the summer.
It comes down to pay. Teaching is a good job as a second family income but not as the main family income.
There had to be some sort of a metric system to judge them and paying into benefits was long overdue as it was bankrupting the state at the tax payers expense
Lot of teachers rolled out the same plans year after year w no recourse
Depends what spouse does - meaning how much money they make
Also dependant if paycheck over 12 months is an option vs 10 months
My wife teaches summer school 4 days week / 3 hours day in summer
I don’t make c suite money so that extra definitely helps
If I did, doubtful she’d be teaching in summer, or teaching at all for that matter
The problem is the “benefits, etc” portion of the equation has been gutted over the past decade and a half.
Why does she stay in that district . My wife got a teaching job 3 years ago. Makes over 90k already. Add in the 40k I no longer need to spend on health insurance and it’s a damn good gig.
I said local admins are because they make 350-450k (Scarsdale a half mil) AND have overpaid assistant superintendents for things like business and curriculum - each making 225k a few years ago. Local HS has almost 1 million a year for three admins with a HS school ranked in the 600s in NY State. Even the sports stink.
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Our region has many of the highest-paid superintendents in the state. See if your school district's superintendent made the top 30.
If you don’t mind me asking, how much overall career tenure does she have? Assuming she’s not making 90k 3 years out of college.
It sounds like you and Joey are comparing teachers in a Monmouth County District and an Ocean County District.
We should be clear that while you had to pay $40k for healthcare that is not what it costs your wife's employer.
Your wife most likely pays $7 to $9,000 in premiums on her plan also.
Ok so she makes 90 plus the difference of 30k. And it’s a actually really more because we hag a 10k family deductible plus 40% co insurance
She’s spent most of the last 18 years being a stay at home mom. She does have a doctorate but never really worked in the field. She’s definitely over qualified and probably has the most impressive education in the building.
My post was not to challenge your savings but just to point out the cost of insurance for individuals in comparison to groups.
this is the real crime in education and should be heavily scrutinizedI said local admins are because they make 350-450k (Scarsdale a half mil) AND have overpaid assistant superintendents for things like business and curriculum - each making 225k a few years ago. Local HS has almost 1 million a year for three admins with a HS school ranked in the 600s in NY State. Even the sports stink.
See Which Hudson Valley Superintendents Are Among Highest-Paid In NY
Our region has many of the highest-paid superintendents in the state. See if your school district's superintendent made the top 30.patch.com
Far too many “districts” and administrative “infrastructure.” Unfortunately the forces to resist consolidation (and lose the gravy train) are too entrenched to successfully end the insanity.
Yeah, much different than in my home state, where it's all county-based. That's cheaper, but there is a whole different list of complaints generated by that system...
They were in the news for the cancer claims. Did they find anything or was that just noise ?
Teaching is tough from what I hear and it’s certainly not for everyone . But you aren’t really breaking your ass
Honestly, our whole quality of life in most regards , has went downhill. You can run but cant hide--- things are tougher than even 5 years ago .
